"Honest in our judgments and truthful in our reporting "

[SAdler]

>No lies dude, I have no idea who Dorothy Gale is. Guess it's

>Google time for me.

 

Well use of the word "Dude" in casual posting puts you pretty low on the gay-o-meter which isn't a bad thing ... it's kinda hot. But not KNOWING who Dorothy Gale is is something so far OVER THE RAINBOW I can't even fathom it. I mean, people like her and the Divine Ms. M are the WIND BENEATH THE WINGS of the gay community.

 

>However, before anyone thinks I'm straight, I do have all

>three seasons of Wonder Woman on DVD

 

Linda Carter in a catsuit? Hmmm .... out of 100 you get 3 points for that.

 

>and two seasons of

>Charlie's Angels so I'm not that far gone.

 

again ... more women in catsuits .... 3 points each ... so far you're at 12 points.

 

>Then again...I

>have the complete box set of the Friday the 13th franchise,

 

negative 5 points...

 

>where do those fall on the gay-o-meter?

 

you've ended up at 7 points. My friend....you're not just returning the toaster -- you have to give back ALL the appliances.

[seattlebottom]

>Well use of the word "Dude" in casual posting puts you pretty

>low on the gay-o-meter which isn't a bad thing ... it's kinda

>hot.

 

I've been saying dude since the 8th grade, old habits die hard.

 

But not KNOWING who Dorothy Gale is is something so far

>OVER THE RAINBOW I can't even fathom it.

 

OK, so now I know who she is. In my defense, I haven't seen Wizard of Oz in 22 years AND I don't remember her having a last name.

 

I mean, people like

>her and the Divine Ms. M are the WIND BENEATH THE WINGS of the

>gay community.

 

Bette Middler. OK, never seen her in anything but I do remember that song playing on the radio.

 

>Linda Carter in a catsuit? Hmmm .... out of 100 you get 3

>points for that.

 

Wonder Woman is gay icon.....of sorts.

 

>again ... more women in catsuits .... 3 points each ... so far

>you're at 12 points.

 

Charlie's Angels is kinda gay too.

 

>negative 5 points...

 

Those movies had hot guys...who never got naked...and were bloodily dispatched of in a gruesome manner...ok, nevermind.

 

>>where do those fall on the gay-o-meter?

 

>you've ended up at 7 points. My friend....you're not just

>returning the toaster -- you have to give back ALL the

>appliances.

 

You guys lost me on the toaster oven. Actually I do have one but it's not really mine. It was a gift I bought for my mom and since she died my dad gave it back to me.

 

You queers sure are mean.

[seaboy4hire]

OK back to the topic boys. Maybe for some that paid the hundreds of dollars for prime advertising got a little kick back. Is that wrong? I don't think so. I see nothing wrong with someon who might pay hundreds of dollars getting a kick back from time to time as a thank you. If I were in Hoo's place at the time I probably would have done the same from time to time. But is the cover boy really for sale? No I don't think so over all. I was cover boy a bit ago and didn't pay one red penny and my bets are 99% of the others didn't pay anything to be on the front page. I think that this is such a silly thing to debate when there are so much better things to talk about. Like the wonderful gifts Oprah was giving out on her show today.

 

Hugs,

Greg

Greg Seattle Wa [email protected]

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/gregseattle.html

http://seaboy4hire.tripod.com

Vegas Jan 10-13, 2006

[SAdler]

>I've been saying dude since the 8th grade, old habits die

>hard.

 

I reiterate ... that's hot

 

>OK, so now I know who she is. In my defense, I haven't seen

>Wizard of Oz in 22 years AND I don't remember her having a

>last name.

 

Unlike Madonna or Cher (other cultural icons I'm simply assuming you have a grasp on) that young lady had a last name. Dorothy Gale's (Judy Garland -- that one is a freebie) death is easily pinned as the landmark start of the gay rights movement

 

>Bette Middler. OK, never seen her in anything but I do

>remember that song playing on the radio.

 

But you didn't know Hocus Pocus?

 

>Wonder Woman is gay icon.....of sorts.

 

I gave you three points didn't I?

 

>Charlie's Angels is kinda gay too.

 

kinda gay ... but just not gay enough .... you got 9 points

 

>Those movies had hot guys...who never got naked...and were

>bloodily dispatched of in a gruesome manner...ok, nevermind.

 

mmmmm hmmmmmmmm

 

>You guys lost me on the toaster oven. Actually I do have one

>but it's not really mine. It was a gift I bought for my mom

>and since she died my dad gave it back to me.

 

Old joke re-popularized by Ellen. It is said that we gays get a toaster either for coming out or recruiting newbies. Thus we'd revoke your toaster since you're just not out quite yet

 

>You queers sure are mean.

 

"I'm saying this to you with love, compassion and the spirit of true

sisterhood... YOU are FULL OF SHIT!"

 

~Bette in the First Wives Club~

 

Hee hee. We really are nice when you get to know us.

[+ deej]

>Dorothy Gale's (Judy Garland -- that one is a freebie) death is easily

>pinned as the landmark start of the gay rights movement

 

And all this time I thought it was some mighty fierce drag queens at a bar called Stonewall.

 

Go figure.

[OneFinger]

deej,

 

Your age is showing. Most of these young guys have no recollection of Stonewall and probably don't have a clue about the historical importance of this event. ;-)

 

-------------

"We need to have more respect for each other. Things have just gone really crazy, out of control. ... We're on a very weird kind of cycle." Stevie Wonder

[+ deej]

At least it isn't my slip that's showing. :7

[seattlebottom]

OK, so here I am trying to do good for my gay compadres. I do know something about Stonewall. I believe it happened the day of or the day after Judy Garland's death. There are stories that some of the people who stayed behind to take on the police chanted her name like an incantation (the way I used to say Hail Mary right before any school test).

 

I've never been into the gay scene. It's not really that I'm ashamed of it, it's simply that I have never felt the need to embrace it. So please forgive my ignorance and so sorry for hijacking this thread. Now get back on topic people.

[+ deej]

Oh, this is a great hijack!

 

The Stonewall riots may have been precipitated by Ms. Garland's death/push/jump but it boiled down to a bunch of fags that just Got Fed Up with being pushed around by the NYPD.

 

Pride celebrations should (and used to) celebrate them.

 

We must remember our history, or we're doomed to repeat it.

[+ deej]

Oh, this is a great hijack!

 

The Stonewall riots may have been precipitated by Ms. Garland's death/push/jump but it boiled down to a bunch of fags that just Got Fed Up with being pushed around by the NYPD.

 

Pride celebrations should (and used to) celebrate them.

 

We must remember our history, or we're doomed to repeat it.

[Guest skrubber]

Did anyone get a toaster for me? I certainly hope so and will you share it?

[bigpeteratlanta]

Yo Big DaddyL:

I love this site. Click on here and muscleservice.com sometimes with morning coffee. They go great together. Stay the positive person you are and ignore the negative.

To all M4M'ers - have a healthy 2006 with regular exercise 4 to 5 times a week, good nutrition, and keep the %BF less than 15.

[Guest alanm]

Stonewall happened on the day of Judy Garland's funeral. She died a week before in London. I was awake all night anyway on the Saturday night/

Sunday morning in Oakland when her death was reported on TV and radio. Initially Scotland Yard was called in to investigate the circumstances of Garland's death.

 

Was not in NY for Stonewall, so do not know what caused the riots.

[SAdler]

>Oh, this is a great hijack!

>

>The Stonewall riots may have been precipitated by Ms.

>Garland's death/push/jump but it boiled down to a bunch of

>fags that just Got Fed Up with being pushed around by the

>NYPD.

>

>Pride celebrations should (and used to) celebrate them.

>

>We must remember our history, or we're doomed to repeat it.

 

LOL. You're both right. I'm actually qualified to talk about this since my school actually has created a major's worth of curriculum that I’ve aced on LGBT studies. LOL.

 

Yes, the queens were fed up with the “three piece of clothing” rule that was getting them arrested every other night. And that night would have been like any other night but they were deep in mourning of Judy’s passing. They were upset and wanted to mourn in peace. The police came in and they just were not going to take it anymore.

 

I often envision the Stonewall Riots looking a little bit like the music video “We’re Not Gonna Take It” by Twisted Sister.

[woodlawn]

RE: "Honest in our judgments and truthful in our reporting "

 

> I was hoping you could post a LINK so I could

>see it written in it's ORIGINAL text. I'm sure Woodlawn would

>agree with me at the very least that YOU reposting would

>hardly stand up in court

 

No, I wouldn't. As it happens, I recall the post by VM quite well. If you want to read the original, go to escortspeak and do a search for threads with "Vincent Michael" in the title. If I'm not mistaken, the title of the thread in which that post appears is "Vincent Michael Speaks Out" or something similar.

 

> It does hit a nerve for me

>though when people are rude and ungrateful trying to nitpick

>and spin the truth about people voluntarily giving up their

>own time for the sake of others. It's sad, pathetic and just

>inhuman.

 

 

I don't happen to believe that any of the people who have managed this site gave up their time "for the sake of others." They did it because they wanted to, no other reason. A poster who knew HB well recently told us on this board that he did very, very well financially by running this site. Do you claim that he is lying?

 

Someday perhaps you and the others who keep trying to tell people what NOT to say on this message board will realize that your attitude is contrary to the spirit in which message boards were invented. But I doubt this revelation will come to you anytime soon.

[SAdler]

RE: "Honest in our judgments and truthful in our reporting "

 

>No, I wouldn't. As it happens, I recall the post by VM quite

>well. If you want to read the original, go to escortspeak and

>do a search for threads with "Vincent Michael" in the title.

>If I'm not mistaken, the title of the thread in which that

>post appears is "Vincent Michael Speaks Out" or something

>similar.

 

I didn't ask you to agree to the STATEMENT; I said that you wouldnt agree to reliance on the validity of what FA says about what someone else "said" in court. But as usual you've spun something into your interpretation to what suits you

 

Regardless, it's not worth my time to search but I find it amusing that neither of you are willing to POST THE LINK. Kind of proves a point for me until you do. Even then on the off chance everything he "said" is there it's probably out of context and still irrelevant to the actual ISSUE of accusations of selling coverboy. If that were the case I'd be broke by now

 

>I don't happen to believe that any of the people who have

>managed this site gave up their time "for the sake of others."

> They did it because they wanted to, no other reason. A

>poster who knew HB well recently told us on this board that he

>did very, very well financially by running this site. Do you

>claim that he is lying?

 

Are you dizzy from all the spinning you do? It's a lot of work. And if it were so profitable and anyone else could do it ... why HASN'T anyone. The finances he or anyone else accrues in this process is well deserved because of the effort they put into it. Daddy is up until 3 AM at least most weeknights making sure reviews are all formatted etc and up by six NY time , etc. etc. This site is for other people and they happen to make money off of it. There are MILLIONS of other ways to make money that they could be doing that I’m sure would pay more and take a lot less time but they opt to do this which is at least beneficial to other people than something strictly self serving like perhaps just running an escort ad site.

 

>Someday perhaps you and the others who keep trying to tell

>people what NOT to say on this message board will realize that

>your attitude is contrary to the spirit in which message

>boards were invented. But I doubt this revelation will come

>to you anytime soon.

 

Your head must be PRETTY far up your ass to make a comment like that, just an observation. My attitude has nothing to do with the spirit of which message boards were created. They were created to facilitate a RESPECTFUL exchange of ideas on topics relevant to the community. They were NOT created to provide evil bitter queens with NOTHING better to do than try to make themselves feel better by ripping other people apart. I debate lots of issues on here and very respectfully.

 

I don’t tell anyone what NOT to say on this message board. Using this as an example – this was a topic SPECIFICALLY designed to stir the shit and further an agenda because the person who started it was SOOOOOOO bitter they were kicked off of this site they had to remind everyone and attempt create problems. As you can tell, NOBODY ELSE CARES and we’ve converted this topic into something that matters … like Stonewall. At one point the gays all banded together to make a difference; so sad to see it only takes a select few to make them go at each others throats

 

It’s laughable the few posters who were kicked off of this site and then came back with different names are stupid enough to think that we all as a community don’t know who they are. Regardless of membership creation dates it’s pretty damned obvious that their sad malicious opinions are present and only belonging to the few who were kicked.

[Yeswell]

The Twisted Sister comparison is inspired. Now I'll always see that in my mind.

[firecat]

I rarely come to this board anymore because there is very little useful information. Just a bunch of people with nothing better to do then try to pick fights.

 

The one thing I have always been sick of reading is how we should be grateful to Hoo and now Daddy for their tireless work. Get real.

 

Hoo was making a fortune with this site as anyone who really knew him can tell you. He travelled the world first Class and stayed in 5 Star Hotels and spent money like water.

 

He had no other source of income. This was it and believe me it was BIG..

 

So telling anyone they should be thankful for all the hard work put in by Hoo or Daddy is just plain ridiculous. They were and are extremely well paid for their work. I venture to say 95% of the posters on this board would trade incomes with then in a nanosecond.

 

I dont begrudge them making money for their hard work but I'm certainly not thankful to them for making a small fortune off this site. This is a business and a very good one!!!!!

[SAdler]

>So telling anyone they should be thankful for all the hard

>work put in by Hoo or Daddy is just plain ridiculous. They

>were and are extremely well paid for their work. I venture to

>say 95% of the posters on this board would trade incomes with

>then in a nanosecond.

 

I'm sure they would. Do all these bitter posts then result from the fact that people thought they'd thought of the idea first?

 

>I dont begrudge them making money for their hard work but I'm

>certainly not thankful to them for making a small fortune off

>this site. This is a business and a very good one!!!!!

 

That's precisely my point though. It's one thing to have an idea and talk a lot about it. There are billions of great ideas out there that could be very lucrative. The point is Hoo went out and DID it. Would you have done it and kept up with it? Would anyone else? I'm sure there are a few but I can guarantee it wasn't these others that have nothing better to do than criticize the people that took the initiative to do it.

 

When I say thankful or grateful .. I don’t mean that we owe our lives and souls; I mean it in the sense that they’re doing something useful and helpful for a great deal of people. You say this site doesn’t provide you anything but you’re on this message board posting aren’t you? If you don’t think this site is worth while you’re welcome to go to any of the other failed snake pits that exist at the moment and try to get some more benefits from them. I just think it’s sad when people decide it’s more productive to be bitchy and malicious instead of giving credit where it’s due.

[+ deej]

>I venture to say 95% of the posters on this board would

>trade incomes with then in a nanosecond.

 

No way in hell I'd do it.

[RockHard]

RE: What Scott Adler said.

 

"When I say thankful or grateful .. I don’t mean that we owe our lives and souls; I mean it in the sense that they’re doing something useful and helpful for a great deal of people. You say this site doesn’t provide you anything but you’re on this message board posting aren’t you? If you don’t think this site is worth while you’re welcome to go to any of the other failed snake pits that exist at the moment and try to get some more benefits from them. I just think it’s sad when people decide it’s more productive to be bitchy and malicious instead of giving credit where it’s due."

 

Some gay men are notorious for only playing bitchy and malicious. Their behavior of feeding on aggressive negativity helped create the stereotype. It's all part of that self-hate mutilation that comes with their baggage. Some gay men wish they had menstrual cycles so they could have one more thing to blame for their miserable existence. Hating their mother, father, and God is never enough. I don't see the stereotype dissipating anytime soon but, as more men come out of the closet at an earlier age and there's more acceptance, it does get better.

 

I certainly applaud Daddy for having the guts to take on the bitch-haters and for getting serious about cleaning this pigpen up. The sooner you get rid of those who cause the toilet bowl stain, the sooner you'll have more men sitting on the pot. It's that simple.

 

Thank goodness some of the ugly have left the table. Good riddance! I can think of a few more that deserve a gentle push out the door. Escortspeak is a fine example of men who relish shitting on other men. Can you really find a better example of gay men who love to hate other gay men? There isn't a kind, gentle soul in sight over there. Not one angel among them! Might as well be hell. At least these sad creatures have a place to go, a public toilet to share and wallow in, however filthy and uninspired. Some even think their own hate-blog actually matters in this tiny corner of life. How sad, lonely and delusional. Maybe the practice will help improve their writing. Good does tend to find its way through evil.

 

Scott is right, the world is full of dreamers who will forever remain asleep. They wouldn't know how to act on a good idea even if it meant saving them from a sorry little life. Not everyone knows how to build on something and make it a success. I'm just thrilled I'm not one of those and thank God every day for my good fortunes (even though they really seem to get under alanm's skin).

 

Hooboy did it first. Maybe Daddy can carry the torch higher. There's tremendous power in being #1 and I've always believed there's terrific possibilities here. That's why I'm here and still posting. Good luck to you all.

 

Happy holidays, everyone!

[woodlawn]

RE: "Honest in our judgments and truthful in our reporting "

 

>I didn't ask you to agree to the STATEMENT; I said that you

>wouldnt agree to reliance on the validity of what FA says

>about what someone else "said" in court. But as usual you've

>spun something into your interpretation to what suits you

 

Please don't lie (again). I meant what I said: I don't agree that it would be inadmissible in court. You still have not succeeded in understanding the definition of "hearsay."

 

>Regardless, it's not worth my time to search but I find it

>amusing that neither of you are willing to POST THE LINK.

>Kind of proves a point for me until you do.

 

I think all it proves is that neither of us feels like doing you a favor. And that neither of us cares what you believe or don't believe.

 

> Even then on the

>off chance everything he "said" is there it's probably out of

>context and still irrelevant to the actual ISSUE of

>accusations of selling coverboy. If that were the case I'd be

>broke by now

 

As I recall, VM was making exactly the point FA has claimed: that he got preferential treatment by paying HB more. Anyone who wants to verify that can simply go and look at his post.

 

>Are you dizzy from all the spinning you do?

 

No, but I may become so from trying to follow your twisted logic.

 

> It's a lot of

>work. And if it were so profitable and anyone else could do

>it ... why HASN'T anyone.

 

Please stop making things up. No one, including me, said "anyone else could do it." This probably wouldn't occur to someone like you, but for one thing not everyone wants to be in the porn business no matter how lucrative it may be.

 

> The finances he or anyone else

>accrues in this process is well deserved because of the effort

>they put into it. Daddy is up until 3 AM at least most

>weeknights making sure reviews are all formatted etc and up by

>six NY time , etc. etc. This site is for other people and

>they happen to make money off of it. There are MILLIONS of

>other ways to make money that they could be doing that I’m

>sure would pay more and take a lot less time but they opt to

>do this which is at least beneficial to other people than

>something strictly self serving like perhaps just running an

>escort ad site.

 

Almost every business, from chemicals to real estate, is "beneficial to other people" in that it provides something other people need or want. That doesn't make everyone in every such business a noble, self-sacrificing person. As for your statement that there are MILLIONS of other things the people behind this site could be doing that would make more money and take less time, how exactly would you know that?

 

 

>Your head must be PRETTY far up your ass to make a comment

>like that, just an observation.

 

I hope you won't keep telling the lie that you don't engage in personal attacks after making that "observation."

 

>My attitude has nothing to do

>with the spirit of which message boards were created. They

>were created to facilitate a RESPECTFUL exchange of ideas on

>topics relevant to the community.

 

Not having been present at the creation, you have no idea what you are talking about. As usual.

 

> They were NOT created to

>provide evil bitter queens with NOTHING better to do than try

>to make themselves feel better by ripping other people apart.

 

>I debate lots of issues on here and very respectfully.

 

But not this one. The hate speech in your posts above is hardly what anyone would call "respectful."

 

 

>I don’t tell anyone what NOT to say on this message board.

>Using this as an example – this was a topic SPECIFICALLY

>designed to stir the shit and further an agenda because the

>person who started it was SOOOOOOO bitter they were kicked off

>of this site they had to remind everyone and attempt create

>problems.

 

You don't tell people what NOT to say. You simply engage in vicious personal attacks against anyone who says anything you don't like. I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Guest DallasObserver]

RE: "Honest in our judgments and truthful in our reporting "

 

>Regardless, it's not worth my time to search but I find it amusing >that neither of you are willing to POST THE LINK. Kind of proves a >point for me until you do. Even then on the off chance everything >he "said" is there it's probably out of context and still >irrelevant to the actual ISSUE of accusations of selling coverboy. >If that were the case I'd be broke by now

 

How do you know it is irrelevant? You won't even take the time to look for the post. Is this the methodology you use to form all your baseless opinions?

 

Also, who the fuck are you to challenge my intentions? I began a thread stating my perception and asking others for there thoughts on the subject. You've made about a dozen posts in this thread alone about everything but the actual context of my original post.

 

If you don't like what I post, it is pretty simple to ignore it, isn't it?

 

- Dallas Observer

[AlwaysHiring]

Muscle Lover = UptownMike = BigPeterAtlanta

 

They are all the same poster. The same guy dredges up these names every time he wants to make a point and has all 3 names (and he has a couple others - forget which) mouth the same point to make it look like there is more than one person who thinks it. He usually makes 3 points: (1) daddy is great; (2) political posts are terrible; and (3) Fox News is awesome becasue they have hot conservative guys.

 

Anyone who cares can easily check it out. Rick Munroe caught him because he has a weird margin on his posts that is easily recognizable no matter what screen name he is using.

 

I can't believe anyone would be so insecure that they would create multiple names in order to make it seem like others agreed with them. Weird.

[Guest Adam4BlackMen]

RE: What Scott Adler said.

 

>Some gay men are notorious for only playing bitchy and

>malicious.>

 

>Thank goodness some of the ugly have left the table. Good

>riddance!

 

Can you really find a better example of

>gay men who love to hate other gay men? There isn't a kind,

>gentle soul in sight over there. Not one angel among them!

>Might as well be hell. At least these sad creatures have a

>place to go, a public toilet to share and wallow in, however

>filthy and uninspired.

 

Can you honestly not see yourself reflected in the comments you've made? Seems to me that if you wiped the mirror in that filthy public toilet, you'd see your face reflected back...