The Escort Disclaimer

[MrMattBig]

(e.g. “I do not accept money for sexual acts. I am compensated via contributions for my time only. Anything that happens during that time is a decision made between two consenting adults”).

 

Hey Matt! Why do you think a jury or a judge would take that disclaimer more seriously than the standard one?

Hey Matt! Why do you think a jury or a judge would take that disclaimer more seriously than the standard one?

 

All rates and fees stated and discussed are for my time only, with the purpose and intent of serving as your personal enrichment guide. I accomplish this using the knowledge I have acquired as a self-taught alternative sex-positive therapist; aiding in the improvement of sexual and psychological health, happiness, competence, and emotional and spiritual well-being. As such, the only services I provide are consulting, counseling, coaching, and therapeutic introspection training. No quid pro quo exists in regards to my time or services. "

 

The OP's example insinuates a sex act is taking place by the phrase "consenting adults".

Furthermore, this phrase is ancient and worn, so much so that law enforcement knows how to get around that disclaimer/defense so easily.

Throw them a curve ball, they won't know what to do with it.

[marylander1940]

Do you believe that most escorts believe that the often seen escort disclaimer (e.g. “I do not accept money for sexual acts. I am compensated via contributions for my time only. Anything that happens during that time is a decision made between two consenting adults”) really provides legal protection, or is it something included because they’re not sure or because so many other include it? I’ve practiced law for a long time (although not criminal law) and I’ve never felt that a prosecutor who’s intent on pursing male escorts would be dissuaded by such a disclaimer - and I wouldn’t bet on jurors buying it either. One escort I know insisted that it was effective. I thought it best not to ruin the evening with a negative debate and we moved on to more enjoyable pursuits.

 

No, they don't buy it. They're realistic people and they know what they're up to.

[+ José Soplanucas]

All rates and fees stated and discussed are for my time only, with the purpose and intent of serving as your personal enrichment guide. I accomplish this using the knowledge I have acquired as a self-taught alternative sex-positive therapist; aiding in the improvement of sexual and psychological health, happiness, competence, and emotional and spiritual well-being. As such, the only services I provide are consulting, counseling, coaching, and therapeutic introspection training. No quid pro quo exists in regards to my time or services. "

 

The OP's example insinuates a sex act is taking place by the phrase "consenting adults".

Furthermore, this phrase is ancient and worn, so much so that law enforcement knows how to get around that disclaimer/defense so easily.

Throw them a curve ball, they won't know what to do with it.

 

Honestly, I do not see a significant difference between both disclaimers.

[MrMattBig]

It's simply this:

 

Insinuating sex acts with money involved for a set amount of time together

 

Vs

 

Helping someone become a better version of themselves through health improvements with money involved for a set amount of time together.

[+ José Soplanucas]

It's simply this:

 

Insinuating sex acts with money involved for a set amount of time together

 

Vs

 

Helping someone become a better version of themselves through health improvements with money involved for a set amount of time together.

 

To me, it sounds just like another euphemism, more sophisticated but still a pretty obvious BS.

I do believe it is better to have the disclaimer than otherwise. What I am not being convinced about is the alleged superiority of your disclaimer over the standard one.

[+ saminseattle]

No, they don't buy it. They're realistic people and they know what they're up to.

 

To me, it sounds just like another euphemism, more sophisticated but still a pretty obvious BS.

 

I just want to point out that you guys are making a lot of assumptions. Maybe those assumptions make sense as generalizations based on your own experiences, but they are rank speculation when it comes to a specific situation with which you have no direct personal involvement. Before leaping to conclusions about what people supposedly know and don’t know, you should remember that people can only be convicted of a crime if the State proves they are guilty of a particular crime on a particular date in a particular jurisdiction. The fact—and it is a fact—that at least some RM advertisers on at least some occasions provide nonsexual companionship/nonsexual massage/nonsexual coaching services for an hourly fee, raises plenty of doubts, imho, about whether any given RM advertiser is actually engaged in criminal activity on a particular occasion. That’s why cops go to the trouble of setting up undercover stings operations…they need specific, reliable, admissible evidence of a particular crime, not just “common sense” assumptions about what people are up to. So, while I don’t claim to have any particular expertise beyond what I read on the Internet, I would say that more important than the specific “disclaimer” language in an ad, is what someone says and does with an undercover cop. If there is nothing sexual going on, then you are innocent and in a strong position to defeat any unwarranted charges. If there is something sexual going on, then you are obviously at much greater risk of being accused and convicted of a crime. To minimize this risk, you should probably be as careful in person about what you say (avoiding anything explicit or that could be interpreted as offering a sex-for-money exchange) as you are in your ad.

[+ Avalon]

What is the punishment for a prostitution conviction?

[BigK]

I find this generic disclaimer useless.

Like all things in life, growth, evolution, and ingenuity lead to betterment.

This is my current disclaimer on my website.

 

"All rates and fees stated and discussed are for my time only, with the purpose and intent of serving as your personal enrichment guide. I accomplish this using the knowledge I have acquired as a self-taught alternative sex-positive therapist; aiding in the improvement of sexual and psychological health, happiness, competence, and emotional and spiritual well-being. As such, the only services I provide are consulting, counseling, coaching, and therapeutic introspection training. No quid pro quo exists in regards to my time or services. "

 

I find myself in need of therapy.

[MrMattBig]

I just want to point out that you guys are making a lot of assumptions. Maybe those assumptions make sense as generalizations based on your own experiences, but they are rank speculation when it comes to a specific situation with which you have no direct personal involvement. Before leaping to conclusions about what people supposedly know and don’t know, you should remember that people can only be convicted of a crime if the State proves they are guilty of a particular crime on a particular date in a particular jurisdiction. The fact—and it is a fact—that at least some RM advertisers on at least some occasions provide nonsexual companionship/nonsexual massage/nonsexual coaching services for an hourly fee, raises plenty of doubts, imho, about whether any given RM advertiser is actually engaged in criminal activity on a particular occasion. That’s why cops go to the trouble of setting up undercover stings operations…they need specific, reliable, admissible evidence of a particular crime, not just “common sense” assumptions about what people are up to. So, while I don’t claim to have any particular expertise beyond what I read on the Internet, I would say that more important than the specific “disclaimer” language in an ad, is what someone says and does with an undercover cop. If there is nothing sexual going on, then you are innocent and in a strong position to defeat any unwarranted charges. If there is something sexual going on, then you are obviously at much greater risk of being accused and convicted of a crime. To minimize this risk, you should probably be as careful in person about what you say (avoiding anything explicit or that could be interpreted as offering a sex-for-money exchange) as you are in your ad.

 

You just stole my heart!!

Might have to schedule a visit to Seattle soon!:p

[MrMattBig]

I find myself in need of therapy.

 

I am taking appointments:D

Tell me what's on your mind...

[+ Lance_Navarro]

[MisterMike]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[+ Lance_Navarro]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Not sure what's funny. Do you believe in the importance of civil disobedience?

[MisterMike]

I don't believe giving handjobs is on par with the civil rights struggle. But you do you, boo.

[+ Lance_Navarro]

I don't believe giving handjobs is on par with the civil rights struggle. But you do you, boo.

I wasn't equating sex worker rights to civil rights, but now that you mention it, rights are rights. When Martin Luther King stated that an "unjust law is no law at all", I believe he meant it to transcend the

civil rights movement. Laws that restrict consenting adults from doing as they wish with their bodies and money are unjust. No victim=No crime.

[MisterMike]

Totally not arguing your underlying philosophy. I mean... I'M HERE. That being said- I found what you posted hilarious and responded accordingly.

[gallahadesquire]

When I meet with my lawyer, we are in a room with no windows, no microphones, and no cameras. What happens there is between two consenting adults.

 

When I used to consult on patients, I was in a room with no windows, no microphones, and no cameras. What happened there was between two consenting adults.

 

Did money "change hands?" Eventually, although in each case it was "on my tab."

 

I've also had two escort experiences that were "hands off", and no sex occurred, although money changed hands.

 

On, and in one case, I did get fucked.

Edited December 9, 2017 by gallahadesquire

[MrMattBig]

When I meet with my lawyer, we are in a room with no windows, no microphones, and no cameras. What happens there is between two consenting adults.

 

When I used to consult on patients, I was in a room with no windows, no microphones, and no cameras. What happened there was between two consenting adults.

 

Did money "change hands?" Eventually, although in each case it was "on my tab."

 

I've also had two escort experiences that were "hands off", and no sex occurred, although money changed hands.

 

I agree, the mention of no money of sexual acts proceeding the consenting adults phrase is what suggests that is what the consenting adults are doing: sex.

 

If disclaimers read "Money exchanged is a donation to help with living costs. Anything that occurs during our time together is between two consenting adults", without the mention of sex, everything would be better. The mere mention of sex when money is involved is the real culprit that makes disclaimers faulty.

Edited December 9, 2017 by MrMattBig

[+ quoththeraven]

Aren't there sex therapists? And that is legal?

I think you have confused sex therapists and sex surrogates. I'm not sure there are any sex surrogates anymore anyway and they work solely on specific issues, like impotence or premature ejaculation.

[+ quoththeraven]

What is the punishment for a prostitution conviction?

If I remember correctly, they start out at three or six months. What I do remember is that in New York, the penalty for solicitation is longer than that for prostitution. I'm not sure that's unique, but it's unusual.

[+ quoththeraven]

I wasn't equating sex worker rights to civil rights, but now that you mention it, rights are rights. When Martin Luther King stated that an "unjust law is no law at all", I believe he meant it to transcend the

civil rights movement. Laws that restrict consenting adults from doing as they wish with their bodies and money are unjust. No victim=No crime.

He was also quoting (or paraphrasing) Thoreau.

 

Sex worker rights are human rights. That's why human rights organizations like Amnesty International support decriminalization.

[+ quoththeraven]

I agree, the mention of no money of sexual acts proceeding the consenting adults phrase is what suggests that is what the consenting adults are doing: sex.

 

If disclaimers read "Money exchanged is a donation to help with living costs. Anything that occurs during our time together is between two consenting adults", without the mention of sex, everything would be better. The mere mention of sex when money is involved is the real culprit that makes disclaimers faulty.

As a theoretical matter, what actually happens trumps the words used to spin it. As a practical matter, not mentioning sex when fees are discussed makes it impossible to prosecute without engaging in sex, which the police generally cannot do.

 

It's the refusal to discuss sex that matters, not the disclaimer.

[MrMattBig]

It's the refusal to discuss sex that matters, not the disclaimer.

 

I agree 1000 percent!!!

I think it very important to never discuss sexual acts when inquiring or arranging a meeting.

The problem is that most inquires demand that they verify you will do XYZ if they are to pay you x dollars. This is why the idea of the disclaimer emerged to try and protect both parties.

Not to mention, law enforcement tends to pick targets to investigate for human trafficking and prostitution, so having a disclaimer helps communicate "I am not falling for your tricks"

[marylander1940]

What is the punishment for a prostitution conviction?

 

Google it. You will find as many answers at the states.

[marylander1940]

Not sure what's funny. Do you believe in the importance of civil disobedience?

 

Maybe that’s why he doesn’t celebrate the Fourth of July