Patti Lupone on Madonna

[LoveNDino]

Now, I appreciate both Ms. Lupone and Madonna, but this is some truth talk from Ms. Lupone on Madonna

[amused1]

Badda Bing!

[Deadlift1]

That's class! Love it

[+ WilliamM]

Now, I appreciate both Ms. Lupone and Madonna, but this is some truth talk from Ms. Lupone on Madonna

 

What is true: "Madonna is a wonderful performer for what she does." Literally. True.

 

Madonna's skill is producing arena concerts (Madison Square Garden, for example). She is the lead performer, but many other dancers and singers have a chance to shine as well.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

She is the lead performer, but many other dancers and singers have a chance to shine as well.

 

They can shine for a moment, but if they get too shiny, they're fired. (See: Donna De Lory and Niki Haris)

As per usual, Patti called it like it is. #LuPawned

[LoveNDino]

They can shine for a moment, but if they get too shiny, they're fired. (See: Donna De Lory and Niki Haris)

 

As per usual, Patti called it like it is. #LuPawned

Do you mean #LupOWNED?

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Do you mean #Lup-owned?

 

LuPwned, LuPawned. The saying started after she stopped a performance of Gypsy and threw a photographer out of the theatre.

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=LuPwn

[LoveNDino]

LuPwned, LuPawned. The saying started after she stopped a performance of Gypsy and threw a photographer out of the theatre.

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=LuPwn

Well, there you go

[+ WilliamM]

They can shine for a moment, but if they get too shiny, they're fired

 

So far we have agreed on almost everything, Benjamin. I like Patti LuPone and Madonna.

 

Back in her Broadway heyday, Ethel Merman kept a close watch on female singers who may have had better songs in her musicals.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

So far we have agreed on almost everything, Benjamin

 

I'm of the belief that we're actually the same poster with two different screenames

[kewtex]

They can shine for a moment, but if they get too shiny, they're fired. (See: Donna De Lory and Niki Haris)

 

"The only hit that comes out of a Helen Lawson show is Helen Lawson…"

[Epigonos]

I have NEVER been a fan of Madonna's. Now with that out of the way I MUST say that she is an absolutely brilliant businesswoman. She has reinvented herself numerous times and nobody can validly question her success.

A thousand years ago my university senior thesis was on Eva Peron. She has always been and still is one of the most interesting people in Latin American history. Now in all honesty Madonna's voice was definitely not equal to that of Patti LuPone in the singing of the music from Evita. But regardless of what LuPone thinks of Madonna's acting ability I firmly believed she nailed the role. She had Evita Peron's gestures and mannerisms down pat. As far as I'm concerned it was one the best things she has ever done - I loved her in the role

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

"The only hit that comes out of a Helen Lawson show is Helen Lawson…"

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xVljGoTl68A/UPaFewbix0I/AAAAAAAASng/s895YC3bDyU/s1600/dolls+susan.png

 

Hayward was a lot of fun in that film

[Rockey]

I don't like Lupone's singing voice at all. I like her acting (Penny Dreadful in particular), but that's it. I really wish she didn't trash Madonna. Just shows her vile and pathetic nature. I was on a gay cruise once and she was the headliner. Many audience members walked out during her performance, which was basically a joke and singing act for blue hairs. I admit it was an age thing, with the younger guys/gals walking/running out of the theater, while the older guys/gals respectfully sat there and endured the torture. Lol, the look on her face was priceless.

[SuenosAmor]

I don't like Lupone's singing voice at all. I like her acting (Penny Dreadful in particular), but that's it. I really wish she didn't trash Madonna. Just shows her vile and pathetic nature. I was on a gay cruise once and she was the headliner. Many audience members walked out during her performance, which was basically a joke and singing act for blue hairs. I admit it was an age thing, with the younger guys/gals walking/running out of the theater, while the older guys/gals respectfully sat there and endured the torture. Lol, the look on her face was priceless.

 

Vile and pathetic Yeah, it's pretty clear it was a jealousy thing.

 

I used to love Madonna's music growing up, but I haven't really been fan of her work in the last 15 years or so. I absolutely loved Patti Lupone on the show Life Goes On; she was a fighter with class. So I was disappointed to learn later that she was nothing at all like her character in real life. I guess that means she's a great actress, at least!

[+ nycman]

I don't like Lupone's singing voice at all. I like her acting (Penny Dreadful in particular), but that's it. I really wish she didn't trash Madonna. Just shows her vile and pathetic nature. I was on a gay cruise once and she was the headliner. Many audience members walked out during her performance, which was basically a joke and singing act for blue hairs. I admit it was an age thing, with the younger guys/gals walking/running out of the theater, while the older guys/gals respectfully sat there and endured the torture. Lol, the look on her face was priceless.

I think I was on that cruise.

 

I remember wondering what all the fuss was about....I just thought she was a bitch with mediocre talent.

[+ Gar1eth]

I absolutely loved Patti Lupone on the show Life Goes On; she was a fighter with class. So I was disappointed to learn later that she was nothing at all like her character in real life. I guess that means she's a great actress, at least!

 

 

 

Gman

[+ Eric Hassan]

I thought this was going to be lesbian porn, based on the thread title.

[JBrian72]

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Hayward was a lot of fun in that film

But Sharon Tate has the best (and too often true) line: "Oh Neely, you know how bitchy fags can be."

[marylander1940]

Now, I appreciate both Ms. Lupone and Madonna, but this is some truth talk from Ms. Lupone on Madonna

 

Reminds me of "Bitch stole my play"

 

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let's see!

 

 

[Epigonos]

When talking about traditional Broadway Musical stars like Ethel Merman, Carol Channing, and certainly Patti LuPone we are not generally talking about vocalists with "pretty voices'. Before the days of body miking they needed voices that could project to the last row of the upper balcony and that's what they all could do. God knows Ethel Merman's voice certainly wasn't pretty but she certainly could project as could Carol Channing and Patti LuPone. LuPone voice was definitely never suited for a small, intimate stage like those on most cruise ships. I am hardly surprised she didn't sound very good.

[+ WilliamM]

When talking about traditional Broadway Musical stars like Ethel Merman, Carol Channing, and certainly Patti LuPone we are not generally talking about vocalists with "pretty voices'.

 

I am glad you used the word generally because you left out Barbara Cook in "The Music Man" and Mary Martin in "South Pacific."

[bostonman]

But regardless of what LuPone thinks of Madonna's acting ability I firmly believed she nailed the role. She had Evita Peron's gestures and mannerisms down pat.

 

Recreating Peron's gestures and mannerisms isn't acting - that's impersonation. (It can be an ingredient that goes into the portrayal, but by itself, it's not nearly enough.)

 

One of my issues with the film is that the harsh point of view that Tim Rice wrote for the concept album and stage show was watered down, in order to be a little more respectful to the real Eva Peron. So Madonna came off more wishy-washy to me, because she wasn't allowed some of the bitchier moments in the original. Part of the fun and drama of the original stage version, for me, is that you see Eva presented from many sides, and I do tend to find myself very moved by the final scene, even though we've seen she was hardly the saint many wanted her to be. But take away some of that harshness and bitchiness, and the piece itself just loses a lot of its inherent theatricality. So ultimately I'm not sure if Madonna is really to blame.

 

However, I do remember that when she first appeared on Broadway in Mamet's Speed-The-Plow, she was rather the butt of jokes from insiders and theatregoers, for seeming out of her league as a stage actor in a play.

[bostonman]

LuPone voice was definitely never suited for a small, intimate stage like those on most cruise ships. I am hardly surprised she didn't sound very good.

 

I like Lupone's energy and commitment much more than her voice. I do like the way she sounds in certain roles, especially her earlier ones - Evita for sure, also she did well as Moll in a 1985 recorded production of The Cradle Will Rock. But, she's always had very weird diction problems, even back then - and since then, I do feel she's tended to become a parody of herself. Even by the time she did Reno Sweeney in Anything Goes in 1987, she was just a little hard to take vocally - though again, I liked the energy and poise she had in the role. I've liked her less and less over the years (most of her Sondheim singing in particular annoys the hell out of me - her vocal delivery is just so odd), though again, her gutsiness onstage is always fun.

[Epigonos]

WilliamM it is interesting that you mention Mary Martin. Originally I had included her in my list but decided at the last minute to drop her. I NEVER liked your voice. To me she was always vocally terribly, terribly cute and often shrill.