HooBoy, Community, BN, and the End of Shame

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

I grant some of your points. However it seems to me that you all but state that if a companion does participate in sex as one of several facets of his duties then that disqualifies him as a true 'escort'. I disagree and I think many would. Is there an underlying assumption that anyone that performs sex as facet of a multi-faceted job description cannot be a legitimate* 'anything' ? If so then this may be the nub of the difference between our viewpoints.

 

* legitimate in the sense of: 2 : being exactly as purposed : neither spurious nor false <legitimate grievance> <a legitimate practitioner>

[woodlawn]

>I grant some of your points. However it seems to me that you

>all but state that if a companion does participate in sex as

>one of several facets of his duties then that disqualifies him

>as a true 'escort'.

 

Nonsense. The point I have made is much simpler: it doesn't make much sense to describe someone as an "escort" if in fact he seldom gets paid to "escort" anyone anywhere, and if even when he does, that isn't the primary reason why he is hired. What exactly is the purpose of using a term that does NOT accurately describe what the person referred to actually does? If the purpose isn't to divert attention from what the person actually does, then what is it?

[Guest nycjockguy]

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>That's the thing about euphemisms. They're designed to

>obfuscate, not to communicate.

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Woodlawn--

 

Point well taken. I concede: Escort is indeed largely a euphemism designed to obfuscate. But prostitute I think misses the companionship thing, which is clearly important to a lot (but not all) of hirers.

 

How about sexworker/companion?

 

Or Juan had a good phrase on the other thread: something like "professional intimate."

 

No, that isn't right either.....some meetings are about anything BUT intimacy.

 

Maybe the answer is: there isn't one term that fits all. Not very profound, but there you are....

 

nycjockguy

 

 

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[augustman]

Funny thing is with the companion/sex provider or whatever you want to call it, I am actually able to be myself. Woodlawn you probably have a very stable life that you have firends or family you can talk about you life issues with. Me I do not have that luxury and I am not going to explain it here. I have done the pyschologist/pyschiatrist/therapist spent a bunch money there and never really was satisfied mentally. With the men I pick, I pay about the same as a session with a mental health expert and I get to go home physcially and metally satisfied. As far as value I know which one I will pick. Yeah I know the guy is being paid to listen to me but really most of the guys have a lot of experience dealing with men and their issues. Sometimes I wonder how they can take for a long period of time and not burn out. Boy I have bared my soul to more than a few guys and I can only imagine how many other men have done the same thing. The guys I pick are ones who prefer longer sessions and like the idea of knowing the person they are going to be with. But the risk I believe is sometimes more mental fatigue. Too bad our culture is not more willing to be open about such things but I love my country as much as the next guy so nothings perfect. I guess we all have to find ways to get through the day.

[woodlawn]

>Funny thing is with the companion/sex provider or whatever

>you want to call it, I am actually able to be myself.

 

If the only people in your life with whom you can be yourself are prostitutes, then you have issues that you need to address with someone who actually has the education and training to address them. You're probably bright enough to realize that paying a prostitute to listen to you talk about your life may be a palliative, but it isn't going to solve anything. Therapy can be a long, difficult and expensive process, but there is plenty of research to show that if client and therapist work at it, a lasting improvement can be achieved. With a prostitute, you may FEEL better for an hour or two, but you aren't going to GET better.

 

 

>Woodlawn

>you probably have a very stable life that you have firends or

>family you can talk about you life issues with.

 

 

I don't make any representations on this board (or elsewhere) about how well adjusted I am. When it comes to prostitution, I simply think it's best to keep in mind that it is no more than a pastime. It's not a substitute for a relationship with someone who genuinely cares about you, or for therapy.

[taylorky]

a rose by any other name is........

 

prostitute;N..a person who has sexual intercourse for money.

 

if you hire someone for 15 minutes or 3 months and one of the conditions of the hire is the person provides sex,even if the sex act takes a small fraction of the time contracted for...he/she is a prostitute.

 

why are the practitioners and purchasers of this service so ashamed of what they engage in...

 

am i the only one here who finds nothing wrong with prostitution???

[kimly982]

escorteneurs

sounds like cort (courtesan) as a root might not be so far off...

 

there must be some alternative Greek or Roman (Renaissance) term for these companions.

 

Absolutely a rite of passage for teen boys during the Renaissance. Completely normal. Then some men and boys went on to marry, and some didn't. Leonardo was arrested, and then released, accused of this (generally overlooked) infraction. It was more "young man" and "older man" than gay or straight.

 

Perhaps we limit ourselves with so few terms.

 

Prostitute, courtesan, mistress, ####*> different expressions of levels of sexual activity or intimacy and class.

 

The trick is to find a word that doesn't default to class, and that is why "escort," which may not be completely accurate, seems to be a more comfortable and comforting term; more open than positive, negative, or social and class associations.

 

(*Good God! the word wh*re is not allowed here?)

[Guest ChgoBoy]

Suddenly, I am drawn sexually toward Woodlawn. There is nothing more stimulating, IMO, than being with a man that has his shit together. It may not be "YOUR" shit, but it his and what better way to spend time than with a well adjusted guy.

[Chuck50]

I am so glad that we have such self righteous people on here who live their lives the best way and do no wrong. HUGS Chuck

 

 

What a perfect world we live in!!!

[taylorky]

my my do, you think you do wrong by hiring prostitutes? sure seems like you feel that way.

[Chuck50]

Please watch the way you answer these questions cause someone will take you to task if you spell something wrong or get your puncuation out of place. HUGS Chuck

[woodlawn]

>I am so glad that we have such self righteous people on here

>who live their lives the best way and do no wrong. HUGS

>Chuck

 

 

People who get paid for sex are prostitutes.

Prostitutes are not therapists.

 

I think it's obvious that people who have trouble acknowledging the truth of those two statements have not reached "the end of shame" as far as prostitution is concerned. If they had, there would be no reason for them to tie themselves into rhetorical knots trying to avoid acknowledging the truth.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

An interesting aside

 

>a rose by any other name is........

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>prostitute;N..a person who has sexual intercourse for money.

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It seem Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary singles out homosexual escorts for special treatment. :o

 

Main Entry: 3 prostitute

Function: noun

 

1 a : a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse especially for money : WH_RE b : a male who engages in sexual and especially homosexual practices for money

 

2 : a person (as a writer or painter) who deliberately debases his or her talents (as for money)

 

trollop, harlot, strumpet, slut... just seeing if the software obejcted to any of these words as it does to wh ore without spaces.

[+ deej]

RE: An interesting aside

 

>1 a : a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse

>especially for money : WH_RE b : a male who engages in sexual

>and especially homosexual practices for money

 

They've added the male part recently. I was surprised a few years ago when they only specified female.

 

dictionary.com VERY specifically says "slut" is female. (So all you guys proud of being a slut need to find another word! LOL)

 

>just seeing if the software obejcted to any of these words

 

I was just looking at that list the other day after Daddy and I talked about it. The list needs updating ... there are a few glaring omissions (the N words, f'rexample), but wh ore will stay put because Hooboy was adamant about it.