Sufficient Due DILIGENCE

[Fyton]

If I reverse search for the photos.

Google the phone number

And he has a good number of positive reviews but only on rm, is that enough?

 

Here's the object: https://rent.men/ryan_nikky/submit-review/

 

Do you always SMS the reviewers? I have found doing that so very helpful. Reviewers are uncritical, I find.

[rvwnsd]

I think you intended to post a link to his ad.

How do you SMS the reviewers? Do they provide their phone numbers on their profiles?

[LivingnLA]

I think you intended to post a link to his ad.

How do you SMS the reviewers? Do they provide their phone numbers on their profiles?

 

I figured he meant PM them on RM since you can click on their profiles from their reviews and PM them if they allow it.

[Fyton]

Yes. I meant PM the reviewer.

[AdamSmith]

My due diligence is to hire him and see how it goes.

 

Life is too short.

[MikeyGMin]

My due diligence is to hire him and see how it goes.

 

Life is too short.

 

Pretty much the same here. Since I like out calls to my house, I do some basic due diligence looking for red flags or anything negative that would make me think twice about giving them my address. In the absence of information I just go with my gut based on initial contact.

[evensteven]

My due diligence is to hire him and see how it goes.

 

Life is too short.

 

True, but it can always be shorter if you’re not careful.

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/gay-idaho-man-brutally-beaten-and-left-alone-to-die-after-responding-to-male-escort-ad.114083/

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/hustlers-murdered-50-y-o-man-in-copacabana.60637/

[AdamSmith]

True, but it can always be shorter if you’re not careful.

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/gay-idaho-man-brutally-beaten-and-left-alone-to-die-after-responding-to-male-escort-ad.114083/

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/hustlers-murdered-50-y-o-man-in-copacabana.60637/

I think the odds of getting killed in a car accident are a lot more worth worrying about.

 

I've had countless unscreened and previously unknown-to-me escorts as well as blind bar pickups into my home without incident. OTOH I have been concussed when some idiot oncoming driver turned at a light in front of me and caused me to plow into him.

 

A little realism in risk assessment, children.

[evensteven]

I think the odds of getting killed in a car accident are a lot more worth worrying about.

 

I've had countless unscreened and previously unknown-to-me escorts as well as blind bar pickups into my home without incident. OTOH I have been concussed when some idiot oncoming driver turned at a light in front of me and caused me to plow into him.

 

A little realism in risk assessment, children.

 

I may be a novice here, but I’m hardly a child. Or, at least I am old enough to understand that relative probabilities are difficult to accurately calculate without sufficient data. I could just as easily say, “I’ve walked through intersections all my life and never been hit by a car, so there’s no real danger there.” You probably know latin better than I, but isn't that a bit of a non sequitur?

 

Admittedly, there are no good statistics here, only anecdotes. But based on the many anecdotes on this forum about bad experiences people have had resulting from a lack of “due diligence,” I would never take a cavalier, come-what-may attitude about hiring. To each his own I guess.

[+ nycman]

"Too much is never enough."

 

"There's a sucker born every minute"

 

"If it's too loud, you're too old."

 

Hell, I don't know...hire him and take a chance.

 

Now I remember the quote I was looking for....."Life holds no guarantees"

[rvwnsd]

...Admittedly, there are no good statistics here, only anecdotes. But based on the many anecdotes on this forum about bad experiences people have had resulting from a lack of “due diligence,” I would never take a cavalier, come-what-may attitude about hiring. To each his own I guess.

There are also many, many examples of bad experiences had with well-reviewed escorts and with escorts where clients did what they think is due diligence. If you take a random sample of reviews and of Forum conversations you will find the positive experiences outweigh the negative ones.

 

In regards to the two instances you referenced in post # 7, something tells me had the Idaho "escorts" been advertising on Rent.men and had positive reviews, the reviews would have been made up and the "clients" who posted them would have vouched for the "escorts." In the Copacabana case, a post in the same thread states the following:

 

"...The Globo article said the victim (an accountant, around 50) was seen earlier with two guys at the Rainbow Kiosk and that the guys are already suspected of being involved in drugging unsuspecting victims in the well known "Boa Noite, Cinderela" con. The article also said that, according to the boyfriend, the victim could be aggressive and hostile when drunk, so he may have provoked the murderers into something beyond just drugging and robbing him.

 

In any case, this is an example of why you need to exercise caution and common sense in Brazil. NEVER go off with people you don't know, or who aren't known by your friends. This is why we keep telling readers to use the saunas/agencies, and not to pick up the mystery guys who lurk across the street from Corujinha. If nobody knows them, or they don't work at the saunas, they very well could be trouble. ..."

 

No mention here of a connection to escort ads.

 

Like @AdamSmith said, let's be realistic here.

[burnline]

His gayromeo profile has 262 reviews.

 

https://www.planetromeo.com/gemeinsam/php/guestbook/index.php?empfaenger=4327131

 

He's listed under the New York section.

I have contacted reviewers of escorts I have been interested in and have in turn been contacted myself. You will need to join gayromeo ( it's pretty straight forward ) and you may need google translate. I hope this helps.

[+ honcho]

It was interesting to me that half of the reviews on the first page were in french, but none in spanish.

and then I noticed there were at least *9 pages* of reviews.

 

Clicking on the 3rd page, I noticed a very favorable one from a very built guy wearing a very sexy leather harness,

so following that link, the reviewer was a 39 year old parisian escort himself. (profile #2215273, for those of us who have accounts). I'm sure he would be to @whipped guy 's tastes

[AdamSmith]

Admittedly, there are no good statistics here, only anecdotes.

30,000+ traffic fatalities in the US annually vs. the tiny handful of sex-work-related homicides each year.

 

Crimes of that magnitude do get discovered, investigated, and reported on with close to 100% fidelity.

[evensteven]

30,000+ traffic fatalities in the US annually vs. the tiny handful of sex-work-related homicides each year.

 

Crimes of that magnitude do get discovered, investigated, and reported on with close to 100% fidelity.

 

Well, here is another unfortunate case from just a few days ago. http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/club-owner-killed-in-nyc-masseur-suspected.120760/, which you are obviously aware of: http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/his-death-was-ruled-a-homicide.120766/.

 

Of course, you can argue that each of these cases involved unique circumstances well outside the OP’s scenario, and I will concede that the odds of getting murdered are undoubtedly far less than dying in a car accident. Truth be told, I only referenced these rather extreme life-ending cases in reaction to your “life is short” phrase, not to be hyperbolic or hysterical. Other risks are far more common and that was the underlying point I intended to make, that this can be a risky business--because of disease, because of its dubious legal status and LE stings, and because of countless scams than can affect both sides, from fake pictures to no shows to financial shenanigans, for example, http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/scam.115712/. IMHO, doing some basic “due diligence” before meeting someone new can reduce those risks. I am surprised that this seems to be a controversial notion. Isn’t that a big part of why this site exists?

 

As far as the OP's question of how much background research is "sufficient," there is of course no one answer since it depends on each individual's risk tolerance. In the scenario described, I would personally certainly consider 11 RM reviews plus the other steps mentioned to be sufficient, though I might also do some research on the reviewers to get a sense of whether they are genuine and not planted. I consider Daddy's reviews to be the gold standard, but I don't think RM reviews are worthless by any means. Of course, they are most useful for increasing the odds that the escort is genuine and using accurate pictures; there is no guarantee about the experience itself, which can depend significantly on "chemistry." For that, I agree that you may need to just roll the dice and see how it goes.

[MikeyGMin]

but I don't think RM reviews are worthless

I agree. I approach the RM reviews with a healthy dose of skepticism, but having left several myself, I know they can be legitimate. I think most people's skepticism comes from the disappearing negative reviews that we all know happen. Some positive reviews is a step in the right direction. The absence of reviews for an advertiser that has been in the business any length of time is a bit of a red flag for me. No one was impressed enough to take the few minutes required to leave an RM review? Not good.