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[+ glennnn]

Just for chatting. Is a heterosexual who doesn't accept a same gender sex partner homophobic? Should he or she try to change or face our censure? IDK!

[+ quoththeraven]

Just for chatting. Is a heterosexual who doesn't accept a same gender sex partner homophobic? Should he or she try to change or face our censure? IDK!

 

I don't consider those equivalent, although it may be true that some people are capable of being more sexually flexible than they think they are.

[Guest RexB]

This is just silly, but does the fact that I absolutely love Blues, Rhythm and Blues, Gospel, Motown and other forms of black music but absolutely HATE hiphop and rap and think that they are the worst thing that ever happened to the art of music make me a racist?

[CatnameFelix]

Just for chatting. Is a heterosexual who doesn't accept a same gender sex partner homophobic? Should he or she try to change or face our censure? IDK!

 

Or is a person not attracted to dogs Cynophobia? Very good point

 

This is just silly, but does the fact that I love Blues, Rhythm and Blues, Motown and other forms of black music but absolutely HATE hiphop and rap and think that they are the worst thing that ever happened to the art of music make me a racist?

 

No, the same way a black person not liking Heavy Metal doesn't make him racist. BTW, did you know that there are white Blues, Rhythm and Blues, and Motown type singers too? They are also Black Heavy Metal, Rock, and Punk performers. It's almost like making music has nothing to do with race what so ever?

 

Now RexB, if this guy offered to suck you dick would you say no?

[Guest RexB]

I know there were white performers of those types of music but those types were originated by black musicians. The white's were copycats. I was the number one Janis Joplin fan when she came out on the scene, but it was partially because her idols were Bessie Smith, Billie Holiday, etc. who were my favorites and I heard them in Janis' style. I've heard rap in Hungarian, Lithuanian, Polish, you name any language and there's rap and hiphop in it but its origins are still black. Like I said, it was just a silly posting and didn't mean for it to go anywhere.

 

Is your question about the guy in the pic a trick question?

[MiamiLooker]

Some posters in this thread seem to have a gratuitous need to pigeonhole ("a neat category which usually fails to reflect actual complexities") others as racist.

[CatnameFelix]

 

Is your question about the guy in the pic a trick question?

 

It's not a trick, it's very blatant. I remember you stating that you were not attracted to Black guys. I for the life of me don't get it, because like I said, they are more then one 'category' of Black. So he's a mixed guy with very white features. I want to know if you were somewhere and he made a pass at you. Would you're initial reaction be? let's say he has a hat on and you wouldn't know? At what point would you're interest go away and why. And I'm not calling you an out and out racist BTW. I really want to know. I personally don't blame people for views that I think are created by social norms.

 

[+ quoththeraven]

I know there were white performers of those types of music but those types were originated by black musicians. The white's were copycats. I was the number one Janis Joplin fan when she came out on the scene, but it was partially because her idols were Bessie Smith, Billie Holiday, etc. who were my favorites and I heard them in Janis' style. I've heard rap in Hungarian, Lithuanian, Polish, you name any language and there's rap and hiphop in it but its origins are still black. Like I said, it was just a silly posting and didn't mean for it to go anywhere.

 

Is your question about the guy in the pic a trick question?

 

Thumbs up for your comment on music.

[+ quoththeraven]

I personally don't blame people for views that I think are created by social norms.

 

I don't blame people for social norms either. What I do blame them for is not either working on overcoming that conditioning or recognizing that their preferences are conditioned, not inborn, but they're not interested in/don't have the motivation or time for/are working on too many other things for changing that to be a priority.

 

It seems to me the pigeonholing applies better to the process of eliminating people as sexual partners based on general criteria, not those of us suggesting that criteria stemming from social conditioning can be refined.

 

I also think it's easy to be dismissive if you're part of a group that generally never gets rejected for such reasons.

[eyesopen]

I don't blame people for social norms either. What I do blame them for is not either working on overcoming that conditioning or recognizing that their preferences are conditioned, not inborn, but they're not interested in/don't have the motivation or time for/are working on too many other things for changing that to be a priority.

 

It seems to me the pigeonholing applies better to the process of eliminating people as sexual partners based on general criteria, not those of us suggesting that criteria stemming from social conditioning can be refined.

 

I also think it's easy to be dismissive if you're part of a group that generally never gets rejected for such reasons.

 

TheRaven and others make many good points.

 

Back to the Robert Sepulveda issue - when being paid to perform sexually, he apparently needed personal attraction to perform and he has an issue with skin color - and with circumcision status if you read his April submissions to tumblr blogs soliciting only uncut hookups/clients.

 

How he dealt with and communicates with people is the problem (we're all subliminally racist to an extent in these personal choices). An obstacle especially for him when one is delusionally narcissistic - no career, no apartment, not interested in working for anything, using so-called activism for self-aggrandizement - and then assuming everyone is too stupid to figure it out. Apparently he's superficially hot as a popcorn fart, but a deep dark cavity inside.

 

We should be grateful he put it out on the internet, to be dug up months and years later. This isn't shaming, it's saying "oh Yeah, this person isn't ready to be a Prince Charming, not hardly."

[Guest RexB]

It's not a trick, it's very blatant. I remember you stating that you were not attracted to Black guys. I for the life of me don't get it, because like I said, they are more then one 'category' of Black. So he's a mixed guy with very white features. I want to know if you were somewhere and he made a pass at you. Would you're initial reaction be? let's say he has a hat on and you wouldn't know? At what point would you're interest go away and why. And I'm not calling you an out and out racist BTW. I really want to know. I personally don't blame people for views that I think are created by social norms.

 

In the first place I never said I wasn't attracted to black guys. Perhaps you have me mixed up with someone else. Or perhaps you've surmised that from the fact that I didn't participate in attacking Dakota because of his "no blacks" policy. I'm not going to answer your question about those guys whose pictures you posted so please don't press the issue.

Does anybody know "why " they are sexually attracted to someone? Does anybody? I see many people of both sexes, of all colors, who I think are beautiful and attractive but who don't bring up any desire to have sex with them. I think the awakening of sexual desire and objectification of bodies occurs so early in life that it's very unlikely I can pinpoint what made me want to touch and feel one kind of body and not another. I also don't look upon it as a problem that I do not want to feel and touch another kind of body. I also don't feel that I need to defend things that I don't fully understand myself. I don't think anyone understands sexual attraction and using it to categorize people with a buzzword that gets everybody hot around the collar is not something I feel inwardly guided to do.

[EZEtoGRU]

I disagree with QTR who indicates that preferences in the types of sexual or dating partners that someone is attracted to are necessarily the result of conditioning. That may be the case in some instances but equally may be a particular preference that was inborn (one didn't have a choice in the matter).

 

Some straight men are attracted to very heavy women. In most cases, it's not conditioning that made them feel that attraction. I believe that similarly, people can be naturally attracted or not attracted to a particular race. Not out of choice but from an inborn preference. Some people like blondes. Some like brunettes. Others like readheads. Some don't really care as long as the person seems nice. That's the way the world goes.

 

Are some people truly racist/conditioned to be racist? Sure....but one cannot absolutely conclude that a racial preference has been the result of conditioning or societal influence and is, therefore, necessarily racist.

[+ stevenkesslar]

throwing up one's hands and saying "I like what I like" is a copout. Otherwise it would be impossible to get over phobias that are way more rational (like fear of flying) than this. Overcoming social conditioning is both possible and helpful.

 

I partly agree. It's an easy cop out to say "I don't like it. So I won't try it." (Warning: I'm in verbal diarrhea mode today. If you're looking for short and pithy, move on).

 

Let's change the subject for a minute. Forget about how distasteful it might be to have sex with someone who doesn't cut it based on your racial preference. Think instead of how disgusting it would be to have sex with a faggot. You know, like if a faggot were to actually try to get you to suck his dick, or do something even more disgusting like stick his cock in your ass, which is basically where you shit out of.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4vcC0V611Y

 

The "I don't like peas so I won't try them" argument - that something is just overtly distasteful, like putting a cock up a hole made to shit out of - has been used against LGBTQ folks forever. When it is formalized into a rigid doctrine - say in versions of fundamentalist Islam, it can be used to rationalize throwing Gays off rooftops. Circa Iran 2016. Or in versions of fundamentalist Christianity in 2016 America, to propose that Gays and Lesbians should be divided by electric fences and kept from reproducing until they die out.

 

Now answer this question. Which of the following captures how you feel about tolerating LGBTQ folks:

 

1. Homosexuality is wrong. Make America Straight Again.

2. Being queer is natural, and it ought to be tolerated.

3. Straights can't really respect or tolerate queers unless they have sex with them.

 

I'm assuming most of you would say NO to 1, and YES to 2. 3 is where it gets particularly tricky.

 

At the very least, as a community we not only have won the hard won war for respect, we actually have begun to demand it. If you feel like it's disrespectful to say faggots shouldn't be able to get married, and you certainly wouldn't want to go to a faggot wedding, and you would rather die than have a faggot stick his cock up your ass, consider this: is it any less tactless or disrespectful to say, "Blacks don't turn me on. I'm not sexually attracted to them." For me, tact and respect is a humane, sensible minimum standard if you answered 2. That's why I feel it's fair to call out anyone who says "No Irish need apply" or "Blacks don't turn me on. Eek!" for their lack of tact, respectfulness, or empathy. It doesn't mean all jobs have to go to the Irish, or everybody needs to have a Black boyfriend.

 

I doubt most people would feel that straights should be required to have sex with Gays. For anyone older, the idea summons up the kind of crap behind the Briggs initiative and Anita Bryant - that somehow we were recruiting "normal" people to become "deviants" like us. But the reality is that more and more people are experimenting with same sex sex, including lots of guys who end up deciding they are straight, or bisexual. This is of course nothing new, it's just happening more openly, because it's tolerated.

 

At one extreme, it makes perfect sense to me that a lot of men are repulsed by the idea of having sex with other men. But a lot of men who don't consider themselves Gay are curious about it. At the other end, I doubt anyone would argue that it would be "helpful" for all straights to be "required" to have a lot of Gay sex in order to overcome their "social conditioning" that being Gay is "wrong." Being tactful does not rob individuals of choice.

 

Now let's go back to race. I'd argue the same rules and the same need for tolerance and respect applies. Some Gays are going to feel like they don't want to have sex with men of other races. Speaking for myself, I'd prefer they respectfully avoid stating they feel it would be gross to have sex with me. I'm not going to argue they ought to be "required" to try it. But I do feel it would be helpful if they actually did try, for the same reason that Quentin Crisp would argue you might want to try peas before you decide you don't like them. I have more respect for people that say, "I tried having sex with "x" and I just didn't like it."

 

Adding the idea of escorts and escort ads complicates things further. It's a stretch to argue that anyone should be required to pay money to try something they think they won't like because of the race of the person they're trying it with. And I get the pragmatic reason that escorts or clients who have a preference would be tempted to state it, just to avoid having to discuss it, even if it does sound tactless.

 

Back to what the OP started, when I actually read the decade old review of Sepulveda, I had more sympathy for him, and less for the reviewer who trashed him. On the face of it, if you assume Sepulveda doesn't much care for sex with Blacks, he turned down money and did it in a way that tried to be more tactful, not less. Years later, he certainly has not turned down money to consider dating one of three Blacks, although the show doesn't require him to have sex with them. (Sadly. Because they all look pretty fucking hot to me). He's probably, as suggested above, a self-promoting little whore. But if he went from at least trying to be tactful about his racial preferences to being willing to create the illusion he could fall in love with a Black men, if only for the money, I'm not sure that's the worst thing in the world. After all, the Black man who trashed Sepulveda in that review a decade ago was pissed at Sepulveda precisely because he would NOT create an illusion for him.

 

I've had lots of sex with Blacks and several Black boyfriends, so I don't quite get Sepulveda's issues, anymore than I get what my sometimes sex partner Bozo sees in Donald Trump. People are strange. That right there is the best argument I can think of for open-mindedness and tolerance.

[Stephan]

Or is a person not attracted to dogs Cynophobia? Very good point

 

 

 

No, the same way a black person not liking Heavy Metal doesn't make him racist. BTW, did you know that there are white Blues, Rhythm and Blues, and Motown type singers too? They are also Black Heavy Metal, Rock, and Punk performers. It's almost like making music has nothing to do with race what so ever?

 

Now RexB, if this guy offered to suck you dick would you say no?

 

 

RexB never said, he didn't like black guys. BecketLord did, he only date white guys (no Indian/Asian/Black/Latino)

 

BecketLord Quote:

"I do not date or hire men of color. That does not make me a racist. If you think it does, then go ahead. It doesn't affect me at all". Check post under I will let speak my mind!

[CatnameFelix]

In the first place I never said I wasn't attracted to black guys. Perhaps you have me mixed up with someone else.

 

Mixing you up with someone else. I miss remembered who posted who on the following thread: http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/i-will-speak-my-mind-and-let-sh-t-hit-the-fan.117269/

[CatnameFelix]

RexB never said, he didn't like black guys. BecketLord did, he only date white guys (no Indian/Asian/Black/Latino)

 

BecketLord Quote:

"I do not date or hire men of color. That does not make me a racist. If you think it does, then go ahead. It doesn't affect me at all". Check post under I will let speak my mind!

Just realized that myself, sorry RexB

[Stephan]

RexB is the man, just went through his extensive list of hire on RM (diverse group of men). He's getting more hot ass, than I could get in a lifetime. Rexb , good job with all the reviews, you're the man. :eek:

[Guest RexB]

Just realized that myself, sorry RexB

 

No problem. All is well.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Maybe the conversation would be more productive if we stop pointing fingers, labeling, and getting defensive; and start accepting that if we grew up in a racist culture we are conditioned to have subconscious racist attitudes. I'm finding myself pretty often doing things and having ideas that when better examined are indeed racist.

If we start with that understanding, we can make progress and become more open minded. If we become defensive and argue "I am not racist" to justify all our choices, we cannot make any progress.

If you grew up in America, you are White, and you do not find Black men attractive, you should at least consider the possibility that perhaps there is a chance that may be your lack of attraction for Blacks is related to some kind of racist conditioning. Which does not make you racist.

[+ José Soplanucas]

@RexB , your avatar is extremely distracting.

[+ glennnn]

RexB is the man, just went through his extensive list of hire on RM (diverse group of men). He's getting more hot ass, than I could get in a lifetime. Rexb , good job with all the reviews, you're the man. :eek:

 

I'm missing something here, @Stephan. "Just went through his...list of hire on RM"? What list? How does one access such a list? Do all RM reviewers have one?

[Stephan]

You must be a rentmen paying member, find a guy that RexB has had a meeting wirh on RM, then pulled the list of guys he reviewed from his profile (15 smoking hot dudes). The list does not include guys he met but did not provide a review.

[tennisjock]

Can u give us a bread crumb please..?

[Stephan]

Top 5 in my opinion;

AnthonyPhysique, TonyCallendro, Coolguy, StasLondon, Beast

[tennisjock]

Thank you. I totally concur