CA Prop 60: Condoms in Porn Initiative

[+ bigjoey]

I don't think putting regulations and taxes on wealthy corporations so they pay for the right to do business in the community is such a bad thing. Let them move to that business Utopia Texas where they have no Regulations. One fertilizer plant recently exploded in a TX town leveling it due to the weak regulations. Looking out for animals is a good thing too. Something I'm will to pay more for. That's an area I'm in complete agreement with CA. This is why Republicans have no toe hold in CA.

 

I think the fact that were still considered the 6th largest economy means will do alright.

 

California has its industrial problems, too:

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/02/25/california-gas-leak-was-the-worst-man-made-greenhouse-gas-disaster-in-u-s-history-study-says/?utm_term=.0f6d67aee23f

 

Since you blame the Texas plant explosion on "weak regulations" would not the same apply to the California gas leak that was the worst man made greenhouse gas disaster in US history?

 

In looking out for animals, I assume you are a vegan; otherwise, eating those nice animals or stealing their eggs and milk does not seem like "looking out for animals."

[+ bigjoey]

Just look at Kansas. It was announced as a "poster child" experiment in trickle-down/low taxes, etc. and it will probably take the state decades to recover from the catastrophe they're in. Last year the schools were so broke they needed to close early. (I hope none of those students need to get into a college any time soon!)

 

Trickle down doesn't work. It hasn't ever worked. It won't ever work.

 

Barney Frank's latest book ("Frank") makes a pretty compelling case that the reason people are dissatisfied with government isn't that it's wasteful or too expensive. It's that it's underfunded. It's true but, boy, try making that case among our conservative friends.

 

Agree with you that trickle down does not work which is part of the reason for the slow growth during the Obama presidency: QE is trickle down economics.

 

As for schools closing early in Kansas, it was six small, rural districts and not state-wide and none of the bigger districts. "Closing early" was often a few days like the Shawnee Heights district which closed two days early; not exactly a massive cut in days.

 

As for being dissatisfied with government, ask people who feel that government does not keep the promises it makes or delivers the quality services paid for. For example, charter schools and voucher programs usually have long waiting lists for children fleeing inner city schools that do not deliver a decent education. For example, this Fall watch for people who are not receiving health insurance subsidies who buy insurance in the ACA marketplaces to be shocked at huge increases in costs. Listen to BLM that seems dissatisfied with big city police protection. Read about the scandles at the VA health system where our service people died waiting for healthcare and then the lies and cover-up about the wait times. In another thread, there is discussion of the "pork barrel" spending in the military and the waste involved. Does he not know that Medicare can not bargain for drugs like the VA and pays more money for them and not see that as "waste?" Yet, Barney Frank thinks that these things are of no importance and people do not care about them only underfunding: just give us more money and we promise it will be better; no waste or overly expensive programs here.

[caliguy]

California has its industrial problems, too:

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/02/25/california-gas-leak-was-the-worst-man-made-greenhouse-gas-disaster-in-u-s-history-study-says/?utm_term=.0f6d67aee23f

 

Since you blame the Texas plant explosion on "weak regulations" would not the same apply to the California gas leak that was the worst man made greenhouse gas disaster in US history?

 

In looking out for animals, I assume you are a vegan; otherwise, eating those nice animals or stealing their eggs and milk does not seem like "looking out for animals."

Not going to argue your point since you made an apt comparison. I don't know enough about them to say if one is worse then the other.

 

Not sure where your going with the animals. I agree that killing them and farming them is abuse in itself. We can all agree that they deserve better then being caged up though. We'd all probably be better off Vegan.

[Epigonos]

No caliguy we probably would NOT be better off all if we were all vegans. Anthropologically and physiologically, as a species, we are omnivores. Our jaws and teeth are structured in a way to facility the consumption of animal flesh and plants. Vegans have considerable difficulty consuming enough plant protein to meet the protein needs of the human body. Vegetarians have a much easier time because they will consume dairy products and eggs.

[Guest]

 

2. Many of the California poultry producers have or are in the process of moving out of California since the passage of the Chicky Law. Each chicken used for either egg production or meat MUST now have a certain amount of space per bird plus open runs. Poultry ranchers claimed they would be unable to compete with eggs and meat produced out of state so the State Legislature passed a law that all eggs and chicken meat produced outside California MUST be produced under the same conditions as those demanded in California. The slight problem being that the U.S. Constitution doesn’t allow the individual states to regulate interstate commerce.

 

 

Sorry, but factually incorrect. The "Chicky Law" was not passed by the legislature. The people of California voted for these regulations. I'm definitely not a vegetarian, but it's not necessary to be cruel to animals in order to produce animal products. There's no reason hens need to be cooped up in tiny cages, unable to move, with their beaks and claws clipped. I go a step further and buy only pasture-raised chickens and their eggs, but I'm satisfied with cage-free as a law. California can and has restricted the sale of poultry products to cruelty-free. It costs at most 75 cents a dozen extra for cage-free, plus another $1 a dozen or so for eggs which are pasture-raised and certified humane by the American Humane Society (the ones I buy). The California economy is vibrant despite our crippling drought. Try to buy real estate here and you'll see how poor we are.

[Epigonos]

I never stated that the "Chicky Law" was passed by the State Legislature. Unfortunately I didn't make it clear that it was passed as an initiative by the voters of the State of California After the voters passed the initiative California poultry farmers complained to the State Legislature that the law put them at a disadvantage with out of state producers. In order to rectify that situation the State Legislature passed a law that chicken and eggs imported into California from other states would have to be raised under the same living conditions as birds in California. The problem is that according to the U.S. Constitution state legislatures may not regulate interstate commerce and the matter is still in the federal court system and will likely be overthrown.

[+ bigjoey]

Not going to argue your point since you made an apt comparison. I don't know enough about them to say if one is worse then the other.

 

Not sure where your going with the animals. I agree that killing them and farming them is abuse in itself. We can all agree that they deserve better then being caged up though. We'd all probably be better off Vegan.

 

The little smiley face after my comment about being a vegan was an indication I was being satirical. Yes, I agree that there is no reason to be cruel to animals regardless of their end use. Personally, I am semi-vegetarian and rarely eat red meat and mostly chicken, turkey or fish. I do eat dairy products and eggs and have a major weakness for ice cream.

[+ Lance_Navarro]

Personally, I am semi-vegetarian and rarely eat red meat and mostly children, turkey or fish. I do eat dairy products and eggs and have a major weakness for ice cream.

 

Ah yes, CHILDREN, the other white meat.

[MikeBiDude]

Ah yes, CHILDREN, the other white meat.

But never undercooked!!