CA Prop 60: Condoms in Porn Initiative

[+ Lance_Navarro]

I gave an interview about 5 days ago and the article is now out. This is extremely important for residents of CA, but I think everyone should read about it and discuss. As I was quoted saying, I'm afraid this is going to pass because people are going to vote without understanding and thinking about the details and effects of this proposition. Even for companies that use condoms, this is going to create a hardship for both the companies and the porn models that is going to cause them to leave the state. Check it out HERE and share your views.

[sincitymix]

I gave an interview about 5 days ago and the article is now out. This is extremely important for residents of CA, but I think everyone should read about it and discuss. As I was quoted saying, I'm afraid this is going to pass because people are going to vote without understanding and thinking about the details and effects of this proposition. Even for companies that use condoms, this is going to create a hardship for both the companies and the porn models that is going to cause them to leave the state. Check it out HERE and share your views.

I think they will move to other states. I know a few major porn production companies have been filming in Vegas, and has been talking about relocating here. If enough companies move out, california is going to take a big financial hit. I dont think the voters realize just how much tax revenue porn brings to the state.

[Kenny]

"How bad is Prop 60? In a rare display of unity, California's Democratic Party and Republican Party are opposed."

 

The San Jose Mercury News editorial is quite a smack-down: http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_30262849/mercury-news-editorial-vote-no-condom-measure-prop

[+ Lance_Navarro]

"How bad is Prop 60? In a rare display of unity, California's Democratic Party and Republican Party are opposed."

 

The San Jose Mercury News editorial is quite a smack-down: http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_30262849/mercury-news-editorial-vote-no-condom-measure-prop

 

I'm happy that this article encourages people to vote no and points out Michael Weinsteins true motives, however I take major issue with their last sentence "We won't shed any tears if an industry that's demeaning to women, addictive and emotionally damaging moves to another state." That's a broad and unfair statement IMHO.

[mike carey]

I'm perplexed as to how gay porn is demeaning to women, but I guess that just exposes my shallow understanding of such things.

[+ Lance_Navarro]

I'm perplexed as to how gay porn is demeaning to women, but I guess that just exposes my shallow understanding of such things.

 

This proposition would apply to all porn, not just gay porn. Straight porn is actually condomless 90% of the time, and most women don't want to use condoms because the friction can cause abrasions that actually put them at greater risk.

[mike carey]

This proposition would apply to all porn, not just gay porn. Straight porn is actually condomless 90% of the time, and most women don't want to use condoms because the friction can cause abrasions that actually put them at greater risk.

Lance, I'm aware of the fact that it applies to all porn (although I wasn't aware of the particular points you raised about condoms in straight porn). My comment was directed at the idea that opposition to anything that is sex-positive is premised on the women that are allegedly hurt by what happens. It rarely accepts that women's participation can be consensual and it never considers that men can be in the roles that they envisage women taking. The premise that sex work, be that porn or escorting, demeans or exploits those involved assumes that they are women and for the most part just doesn't make sense if they are men.

[caliguy]

There will never be condoms in straight porn. The system has by and large worked for many years with no significant issues.

 

I find it amazing that Weinstien has done everything he can to help make the industry less safe. From destroying places like AIM to forcing companies to move or go under ground where performers are allot less safe. Btw. no one like Weinstein. Now that the details of this little gem of a prop are coming out I can see why. Fascist dictator really does apply. The McCarthy of Porn.

[caliguy]

The premise that sex work, be that porn or escorting, demeans or exploits those involved assumes that they are women and for the most part just doesn't make sense if they are men.

It's like they took a page out of the 70's feminist movement.

[Epigonos]

Believe me Proposition 60 WILL PASS. California is rapidly becoming the most anti-business state in the nation. Here are just a few examples:

 

1. The Asian auto industry in the United States was center in California for many years. Toyota opened its plant in Torrance, California in 1987 and is now (2016-2017) in the process of moving its entire operation to Texas. Too many taxes, too many regulations and too little affordable housing in California. 3000 more jobs lost in California. The auto industry in California will soon be a thing of the past.

 

2. Many of the California poultry producers have or are in the process of moving out of California since the passage of the Chicky Law. Each chicken used for either egg production or meat MUST now have a certain amount of space per bird plus open runs. Poultry ranchers claimed they would be unable to compete with eggs and meat produced out of state so the State Legislature passed a law that all eggs and chicken meat produced outside California MUST be produced under the same conditions as those demanded in California. The slight problem being that the U.S. Constitution doesn’t allow the individual states to regulate interstate commerce.

 

3. Because geese and ducks must be force feed in order to develop enlarged livers for foie gras the animal right groups led the fight against that practice. After passage the only long time foie gras producer in California was forced out of business and restaurants and specialty markets began to import foi gras from out of state producers. The State Legislature then passed a law making a misdemeanor for a restaurant to serve foi gras. They have had more than a little difficulty enforcing that law.

 

These are just three examples of the attitude of the voters and the legislature of California regarding the regulating of all businesses both large and small. Millions will be spent convincing the public that the condom requirement law will make the porn industry safer. Other states may follow suit but then what is to prevent the porn industry form moving out of the country and peddling its product on the internet? Frankly many of the people and groups involved in the over regulation of businesses are not in the least concerned with the businesses moving out of state. They would just as soon they all did so and then they can turn the California into one great big state park.

[caliguy]

Believe me Proposition 60 WILL PASS. California is rapidly becoming the most anti-business state in the nation. Here are just a few examples:

 

1. The Asian auto industry in the United States was center in California for many years. Toyota opened its plant in Torrance, California in 1987 and is now (2016-2017) in the process of moving its entire operation to Texas. Too many taxes, too many regulations and too little affordable housing in California. 3000 more jobs lost in California. The auto industry in California will soon be a thing of the past.

 

2. Many of the California poultry producers have or are in the process of moving out of California since the passage of the Chicky Law. Each chicken used for either egg production or meat MUST now have a certain amount of space per bird plus open runs. Poultry ranchers claimed they would be unable to compete with eggs and meat produced out of state so the State Legislature passed a law that all eggs and chicken meat produced outside California MUST be produced under the same conditions as those demanded in California. The slight problem being that the U.S. Constitution doesn’t allow the individual states to regulate interstate commerce.

 

3. Because geese and ducks must be force feed in order to develop enlarged livers for foie gras the animal right groups led the fight against that practice. After passage the only long time foie gras producer in California was forced out of business and restaurants and specialty markets began to import foi gras from out of state producers. The State Legislature then passed a law making a misdemeanor for a restaurant to serve foi gras. They have had more than a little difficulty enforcing that law.

 

These are just three examples of the attitude of the voters and the legislature of California regarding the regulating of all businesses both large and small. Millions will be spent convincing the public that the condom requirement law will make the porn industry safer. Other states may follow suit but then what is to prevent the porn industry form moving out of the country and peddling its product on the internet? Frankly many of the people and groups involved in the over regulation of businesses are not in the least concerned with the businesses moving out of state. They would just as soon they all did so and then they can turn the California into one great big state park.

I don't think putting regulations and taxes on wealthy corporations so they pay for the right to do business in the community is such a bad thing. Let them move to that business Utopia Texas where they have no Regulations. One fertilizer plant recently exploded in a TX town leveling it due to the weak regulations. Looking out for animals is a good thing too. Something I'm will to pay more for. That's an area I'm in complete agreement with CA. This is why Republicans have no toe hold in CA.

 

I think the fact that were still considered the 6th largest economy means will do alright.

[+ Lance_Navarro]

I don't think putting regulations and taxes on wealthy corporations so they pay for the right to do business in the community is such a bad thing. Let them move to that business Utopia Texas where they have no Regulations. One fertilizer plant recently exploded in a TX town leveling it due to the weak regulations. Looking out for animals is a good thing too. Something I'm will to pay more for. That's an area I'm in complete agreement with CA. This is why Republicans have no toe hold in CA.

 

I think the fact that were still considered the 6th largest economy means will do alright.

 

I also agree that regulating the production of food and the treatment of animals is something that should be done. The rate of inflation since 1980 is almost 300%, yet a gallon of milk cost $2.30 then and is barely over $3 now. I don't mind paying double that (and I do) for organic, grass-fed, free range milk and eggs that aren't shot up with all kinds of steroids and GMO's. Too many people are obsessed with getting the lowest price (the reason why Wal-Mart thrives) without concern over what they are putting in their bodies.

[Epigonos]

Unfortunately the reality is that we are today living in a world of ALL or NOTHING. I would certainly agree that “Regulations and taxes for wealthy corporations and looking out for animals is a good thing though” but would add a caveat – within reason. The entire American political system has traditionally been based on compromise. Currently, however, the liberal left and the conservative right view compromise as EVIL. Many refuse to look for the middle; it must be my way or the highway.

 

Thus chickens MUST be protected regardless of what happens to the supermarket price of chicken and eggs. The animal rights lobby could care less that in the past the poor have been able to depend on eggs as a major source of protein; it’s all about the rights of the chicken and to hell with the poor.

 

The fact that by over regulating and over taxing corporations and thus those corporations move to other states the radical left could care less. To hell with the 3000 Toyota California workers have lost their jobs and their incomes.

 

The green lobby has, for years, been attempting to destroy the Hetch Hetchy Reservoir; the major source of water for the city of San Francisco. Twice they have put an initiative on the ballot in San Francisco to do just that and twice it has been defeated. Both Senators Feinstein and Boxer opposed the initiative. Now they are going to court in an attempt to subvert to will of the voters to achieve their goal.

 

The renewable energy crowd is determined to outlaw the use of all fossil fuels. It “may” be possible to do but at what cost? The limo-lib crowd in the Silicon Valley, Malibu and Hollywood are certainly able to live with a huge increase in the cost of fuel but again what about the poor? What about the man or woman working for a minimum wage who must drive to work?

 

We must AGAIN learn to compromise and always keep in sight what is best for ALL concerned not just certain special interest groups - regardless of whether those groups are large corporations, small business, green lobbies, anti-fossil fuel lobbies, or animal rights lobbies.

[body2body]

According to the Wall Street Journal in an article on state by state GDP in 2015 California and Oregon led the nation with a 4.1% growth. Texas was second 3.8 %. http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/06/14/economic-growth-slowed-in-most-states-last-year. The Dallas Business Journal says that Toyota's primary reason for leaving California was the cost of housing. All the jobs moving are administrative, Toyota closed it's last California factory in 2010, and sold it to Tesla. It currently manufactures the Model S and Model X. California's economy is the sixth largest in the world. Larger than France, moreover it produces with a population of only 38,000,000. France has a population of 67,000,000. So the productivity is very high. While we are only 12% of the U.S. Population we account for 16.8% of U.S. GDP. All that and the opportunity to live in a place where on the 28th of August I bask in 80 degree weather with 46% humidity.

[caliguy]

The Dallas Business Journal says that Toyota's primary reason for leaving California was the cost of housing. .

I seriously doubt Toyota's primary reason for moving is the cost of housing.

[caliguy]

Unfortunately the reality is that we are today living in a world of ALL or NOTHING. I would certainly agree that “Regulations and taxes for wealthy corporations and looking out for animals is a good thing though” but would add a caveat – within reason. The entire American political system has traditionally been based on compromise. Currently, however, the liberal left and the conservative right view compromise as EVIL. Many refuse to look for the middle; it must be my way or the highway.

 

Thus chickens MUST be protected regardless of what happens to the supermarket price of chicken and eggs. The animal rights lobby could care less that in the past the poor have been able to depend on eggs as a major source of protein; it’s all about the rights of the chicken and to hell with the poor.

 

The fact that by over regulating and over taxing corporations and thus those corporations move to other states the radical left could care less. To hell with the 3000 Toyota California workers have lost their jobs and their incomes.

 

The green lobby has, for years, been attempting to destroy the Hetch Hetchy Reservoir; the major source of water for the city of San Francisco. Twice they have put an initiative on the ballot in San Francisco to do just that and twice it has been defeated. Both Senators Feinstein and Boxer opposed the initiative. Now they are going to court in an attempt to subvert to will of the voters to achieve their goal.

 

The renewable energy crowd is determined to outlaw the use of all fossil fuels. It “may” be possible to do but at what cost? The limo-lib crowd in the Silicon Valley, Malibu and Hollywood are certainly able to live with a huge increase in the cost of fuel but again what about the poor? What about the man or woman working for a minimum wage who must drive to work?

 

We must AGAIN learn to compromise and always keep in sight what is best for ALL concerned not just certain special interest groups - regardless of whether those groups are large corporations, small business, green lobbies, anti-fossil fuel lobbies, or animal rights lobbies.

I was thinking about that and you're right about feeding the poor. Yes it's more expensive but that's where the Government takes responsibility with subsidies and and laws. Forcing animals to live out their lives in a cages in their own shit is just monstrous. We shouldn't even have cage free ads. Just something you can assume already.

 

I hear you on that but the fossil fuel days are numbered. Green is the future. 20 years from now it won't even be in the conversation.

[Kenny]

Believe me Proposition 60 WILL PASS. California is rapidly becoming the most anti-business state in the nation. Here are just a few examples:

 

1. The Asian auto industry in the United States was center in California for many years. Toyota opened its plant in Torrance, California in 1987 and is now (2016-2017) in the process of moving its entire operation to Texas. Too many taxes, too many regulations and too little affordable housing in California. 3000 more jobs lost in California. The auto industry in California will soon be a thing of the past.

 

2. Many of the California poultry producers have or are in the process of moving out of California since the passage of the Chicky Law. Each chicken used for either egg production or meat MUST now have a certain amount of space per bird plus open runs. Poultry ranchers claimed they would be unable to compete with eggs and meat produced out of state so the State Legislature passed a law that all eggs and chicken meat produced outside California MUST be produced under the same conditions as those demanded in California. The slight problem being that the U.S. Constitution doesn’t allow the individual states to regulate interstate commerce.

 

3. Because geese and ducks must be force feed in order to develop enlarged livers for foie gras the animal right groups led the fight against that practice. After passage the only long time foie gras producer in California was forced out of business and restaurants and specialty markets began to import foi gras from out of state producers. The State Legislature then passed a law making a misdemeanor for a restaurant to serve foi gras. They have had more than a little difficulty enforcing that law.

 

These are just three examples of the attitude of the voters and the legislature of California regarding the regulating of all businesses both large and small. Millions will be spent convincing the public that the condom requirement law will make the porn industry safer. Other states may follow suit but then what is to prevent the porn industry form moving out of the country and peddling its product on the internet? Frankly many of the people and groups involved in the over regulation of businesses are not in the least concerned with the businesses moving out of state. They would just as soon they all did so and then they can turn the California into one great big state park.

Uh, no. That's just the usual junk GOP propaganda, which may be yet one more reason the CA GOP is disappearing.

 

There are plenty of reasons to presume that California must be a bad place to do business. The Tax Foundation says the state's tax structure is the third worst for business in the U.S. Forbes ranks California's business costs fifth highest among the 50 states and its regulatory environment the eighth most burdensome.

 

Why then does the market, where buyers and sellers determine relative value, show otherwise? California-based companies surpass their competitors in the U.S. by most measures of performance favored by investors.

 

Since January 2011, when Jerry Brown Jr., became governor for the third time, the 63 publicly traded California companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 produced the best total return among the five states with the largest populations. California companies in the S&P 500 delivered returns of 134 percent; the closest big-state challenger was Florida, whose S&P companies had an 82 percent return, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Texas-based companies delivered 52 percent during the period.

 

Companies domiciled in California also outperformed the S&P 500 during the past four years by a margin of 23 percent. Among the California industries making the state No. 1 in business are health care, returning 267 percent, consumer staples (302 percent), specialty pharma (235 percent), energy (30 percent) and biotech (333 percent).

 

Maybe high taxes and strong regulations don't daunt business leaders if well spent and well aimed.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-03-12/best-state-for-business-yes-california

[+ deej]

I seriously doubt Toyota's primary reason for moving is the cost of housing.

 

Actually, Toyota has said the move to Texas was for corporate culture. (They actually released this statement in direct response do claims by people who can't possibly know what went into the corporate planning.) They're not just leaving CA. They're leaving NY also.

 

The purpose of the move IN GENERAL was to consolidate ALL of their US operations in one location. They decided that if they moved the east coast personnel to the west coast, or the other way 'round, the culture shock of the move would impact half of the employees. By choosing a neutral location they put everyone on equal footing.

[caliguy]

Uh, no. That's just the usual junk GOP propaganda, which may be yet one more reason the CA GOP is disappearing.

 

There are plenty of reasons to presume that California must be a bad place to do business. The Tax Foundation says the state's tax structure is the third worst for business in the U.S. Forbes ranks California's business costs fifth highest among the 50 states and its regulatory environment the eighth most burdensome.

 

Why then does the market, where buyers and sellers determine relative value, show otherwise? California-based companies surpass their competitors in the U.S. by most measures of performance favored by investors.

 

Since January 2011, when Jerry Brown Jr., became governor for the third time, the 63 publicly traded California companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 produced the best total return among the five states with the largest populations. California companies in the S&P 500 delivered returns of 134 percent; the closest big-state challenger was Florida, whose S&P companies had an 82 percent return, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Texas-based companies delivered 52 percent during the period.

 

Companies domiciled in California also outperformed the S&P 500 during the past four years by a margin of 23 percent. Among the California industries making the state No. 1 in business are health care, returning 267 percent, consumer staples (302 percent), specialty pharma (235 percent), energy (30 percent) and biotech (333 percent).

 

Maybe high taxes and strong regulations don't daunt business leaders if well spent and well aimed.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-03-12/best-state-for-business-yes-california

Ha. Runs contrary to the usual Republican claptrap that less taxes/regulations will mean more jobs and somehow will be best for everyone's interest. Trikle down BS.

[Kenny]

Trikle down BS.

Yes, and I for one am tired of being trickled down on (without permission).

 

This economics analyst is right: "...being 'business friendly' is not the be-all and end-all of economic development."

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-business-climate-20160102-story.html

[+ deej]

This economics analyst is right: "...being 'business friendly' is not the be-all and end-all of economic development."

 

Just look at Kansas. It was announced as a "poster child" experiment in trickle-down/low taxes, etc. and it will probably take the state decades to recover from the catastrophe they're in. Last year the schools were so broke they needed to close early. (I hope none of those students need to get into a college any time soon!)

 

Trickle down doesn't work. It hasn't ever worked. It won't ever work.

 

Barney Frank's latest book ("Frank") makes a pretty compelling case that the reason people are dissatisfied with government isn't that it's wasteful or too expensive. It's that it's underfunded. It's true but, boy, try making that case among our conservative friends.

[+ Lance_Navarro]

The conversation has steered slightly off topic, but it's an intelligent conversation, so that makes me happy.

[+ ArVaGuy]

I was under the impression that The AIDS Healthcare Foundation was under investigation by several states for Medicaid fraud. I suspect that AHF will make lots of money helping the state of California to monitor compliance by the porn producers. No doubt they will take this roadshow crusade to Nevada when the producers leave. There's a slimy feel to this campaign.

 

Edit:

 

Ah Ha! I looked up the Chairty Navigator rating on AHF. A donor advisory has been issued which supersedes any ratings.

 

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16096

[Kenny]

I was under the impression that The AIDS Healthcare Foundation was under investigation by several states for Medicaid fraud. I suspect that AHF will make lots of money helping the state of California to monitor compliance by the porn producers. No doubt they will take this roadshow crusade to Nevada when the producers leave. There's a slimy feel to this campaign.

It's a complicated subject, and I don't know the current status, but a whistle-blower suit was filed last year: https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16096

[Kenny]

Barney Frank's latest book ("Frank") makes a pretty compelling case that the reason people are dissatisfied with government isn't that it's wasteful or too expensive. It's that it's underfunded. It's true but, boy, try making that case among our conservative friends.

Frank is right. The "small government" folks are responsible. We don't need small government, we need government that's the right size to do what we want done.

 

You're right too: Conservative sloganeering has replaced thought on the matter.