Charging By The Pound?

[FourAces]

Over the past 7 days I tried a little experiment. While the results did not surprize me they did make me a bit sad.

 

I sent 2 emails to 6 escorts. The emails were from two different accounts. One was a Yahoo account the other Hotmail. In one email I describe myself as old but with somewhat average looks. In the other email I describe myself honestly superchub 360 pounds .... blah blah blah. In each email I request the exact same services.

 

Of the 6 escorts I contacted 1 would not see the real me because of my weight. I actually do not mind this, I rather know now than into the appointment.

 

Now the sad part

The other 5 agreed to see me but their fee was $40 - $75 more than the fee quoted to the basically average looking man!

 

If they are doing this with fat people are they also do this with Asian or Latino men? Maybe men who are married or smoke?

 

RT

[Spida]

Four Aces,

 

The result is saddening, I have recently lost quite a bit of weight at my heaviest I was right at 360! Now I am down to 230! I see the difference everyday at how I am treated. Granted I do have a bit more confidence and feel a bit better, however, I made a conscious effort to see if my actions were different and Yes they are a bit but not alot! I have always been very outgoing and nothing has changed, I will try anything now I try a few more things, but not much.

 

I have had some bad experiences because of my weight with escorts, so I would tell them upfront what I look like I would rather someone say no I am not interested, I can totally understand that.

[FourAces]

Thanks Spida. Congratulations on the weight loss too. I can relate to how hard it can be to do.

 

RT

[Guest skrubber]

Yes, it is hard to do but can be done. I was at 217 pounds - not gross but pretty damn fat - and am now 164. It took a couple of years but I hang in there and did it.

YES, you are treated differently each and every day and I like it. I am no longer embarrased to take my shirt off or be naked in front of my escorts (who are the ones I specifically did this for).

[woodlawn]

>If they are doing this with fat people are they also do this

>with Asian or Latino men? Maybe men who are married or smoke?

 

If you've been reading this board for a while, you must have noticed there are several quite vocal posters who insist there is nothing wrong with escorts who restrict their clientele to people whom they find more attractive. Charging more for the less attractive clients is certainly one form of restriction, since the higher fee makes it less likely that the escort will be hired by the less attractive clients.

 

Other escorts, including at least one who posts here from time to time, simply come right out and state in their ads that they only accept clients of certain races or who are "height-weight proportional." Do you think this is wrong? If so, why?

[Guest zipperzone]

>Yes, it is hard to do but can be done. I was at 217 pounds -

>not gross but pretty damn fat - and am now 164. It took a

>couple of years but I hang in there and did it.

>YES, you are treated differently each and every day and I like

>it. I am no longer embarrased to take my shirt off or be naked

>in front of my escorts (who are the ones I specifically did

>this for).

 

It's impossible to judge how overweight one looks at 217 pounds without knowing their height. On some frames 217 would be hot, on other's, not so hot!

[Guest skrubber]

Zipperzone -

I'm 5' 7"

[Spida]

Woodlawn,

 

I personally think it is great that an escort will tell you upfront what he expects, I feel this helps the meeting go so much better. If you can only escort for height weight proportional clients then good for you. However, I do think this would end up hitting the escort in the pocket. What I don't think is right is charging more for your services have you ever heard of discrimination? If you charged more to a black or asian client that would be labeled as discriminiation.

 

If you are going to render the services then it should be at the same price as someone who is height weight proportional, in my humble but vocal opinion! There is quite a bit of weight discrimination out there, I have seen it first hand and noticed that it happened to me even more when I lost weight. I have led a somewhat interesting life, in the past I LOVED drugs! I would try anything once and some things many many times. I have had to stop, give up and change quite a few things in my life, just in growing up and other reasons. HOWEVER, Loosing weight is absolutely the HARDEST endeavor that I have tackeled to date! So I give props to those of you who have lost it and understand totally those who haven't or have not been able to loose the weight.

 

Spida

[FourAces]

As I mentioned in my original post I have no problem with the escort who is upfront. I understand that being an escort is very personal at times. And one must feel comfortable to perform services as needed.

 

I feel each escort has a right to refuse service if it is done acorss the board in the same manner. For example if an escort notes on his web site he cannot see Latino clients or fat clients I don't mind. It's nice to know upfront so I do not waste my money. I do not look at that as discrimination.

 

It is discrimination when an escort charges client A $200. and client B $275 for the same service because client B is less attractive.

 

Like Anton said I wasn't contacting airlines or on priceline BTW I hope you visit the States soon Anton you look very sexy :9

 

RT

[OneFinger]

RE: How Did You Do It?

 

>...I have recently lost quite a bit of weight at my heaviest I was right at 360! Now I am down to 230!

 

WOW, I'm impressed with that weight loss. I hope this isn't too personal but how did you do it?

 

I routinely refer to myself in the reviews I post as old, fat, and bald. I can't change old and bald but would love to do something about the fat. Willing to share your secret?

 

BTW, I don't think escorts should charge by the pound. I'd prefer to pay them by the inch (cock size). I recommend deducting $50 from the price for every inch they have misstated the size. :+

[FourAces]

RE: How Did You Do It?

 

> I'd

>prefer to pay them by the inch (cock size). I recommend

>deducting $50 from the price for every inch they have

>misstated the size. :+

 

LOL

 

RT

[VaHawk]

Seems like you presented yourself as two entirely divergent people in your inquiries, and gasp, you got two divergent responses in return. This is supposed to be earth shaking news? You can’t be honest, but have the gall to complain that your responses weren’t honest in return? Seems to me that your responses were above board and honest, but that you in turn was less than honest.

 

Of course, that doesn't stop you from coming to the mc and posting your totally biased crapola, does it?

 

” I feel each escort has a right to refuse service if it is done acorss the board in the same manner. For example if an escort notes on his web site he cannot see Latino clients or fat clients I don't mind. It's nice to know upfront so I do not waste my money. I do not look at that as discrimination.”

 

Oh, I see, it is okay if an escort states his preferences/prejudices/restrictions/abilities to perform, as long as it is done openly in a public web site, but not okay to respond in kind in a private email? Sorry, I really don’t comprehend the difference.

 

>It is discrimination when an escort charges client A $200. and client B $275 for the same service because client B is less attractive.<

 

Nope, imo, that isn’t discrimination, just honesty. I’d bet it is a whole lot more effort and work for an escort to deliver the same service to someone he finds physically unattractive, than it is to provide it to someone he finds physically attractive. Extra effort and work always means extra pay!

 

Grow up and face the facts that life has dealt you! You aren't a 25 yo hottie hiring 18 yo escorts! Stop berating escorts for being honest with you, especially when you can't be honest in return, with all your little, childish game playing schemes. And then have the audacity to come here to HB's mc and post your trash? Mindboggling!

[Spida]

RE: How Did You Do It?

 

>>...I have recently lost quite a bit of weight at my

>heaviest I was right at 360! Now I am down to 230!

>

>WOW, I'm impressed with that weight loss. I hope this isn't

>too personal but how did you do it?

>

>I routinely refer to myself in the reviews I post as old, fat,

>and bald. I can't change old and bald but would love to do

>something about the fat. Willing to share your secret?

>

>BTW, I don't think escorts should charge by the pound. I'd

>prefer to pay them by the inch (cock size). I recommend

>deducting $50 from the price for every inch they have

>misstated the size. :+

 

One Finger to be totally honest and nobody thatis overweight will like this answer! But it was a huge amount of work, determination and support. I met with a nutriionist once a month for 7 months she was awesome! She would strive for perfection but not berate you when you messed up just set you back on the correct path. I also started working out with a personal trainer and after a few months went to the gym RELIGIOUSLY, 5x a week!

 

Basically I eat a small amount (portion control) and I watch calories and fat, if it has more than 30% fat I hardly EVER eat it anymore and I eat about 1800 - 2500 calories a day depending on my workout. It is just basic math, if you take in less than you burn then you will loose weight. It took me years of trying fad diets, pills and other stuff to realize my math and science I learned in the 5th grade would do it for me. I have worked very hard with both my nutrionist and a psychologist to pinpoint why I eat so much! Food is not always my comfort any longer. You don't know how much I wish I could say I have a magic pill for everyone overweight! I would honestly give it to them for FREE! I have never felt better physically and or emotionally! One more thing I learned is that I don't beat myself up about my mistakes. My weight is a daily thought, if I mess up one day and have a bad of Dorito's and a chocolate cake the VERY next day I go back on my eating plan, I don't hate myself for it!

 

I hope this helped anyone out there if I could do it for you at this point I would! I would want anyone who has been overweight for an extended period to enjoy this feeling if I could give it to them I would.

 

Spida.

[FourAces]

>Seems like you presented yourself as two entirely divergent

>people in your inquiries, and gasp, you got two divergent

>responses in return. This is supposed to be earth shaking

>news? You can’t be honest, but have the gall to complain

>that your responses weren’t honest in return? Seems to me

>that your responses were above board and honest, but that you

>in turn was less than honest.

 

Huh?

 

 

>” I feel each escort has a right to refuse service if it is

>done acorss the board in the same manner. For example if an

>escort notes on his web site he cannot see Latino clients or

>fat clients I don't mind. It's nice to know upfront so I do

>not waste my money. I do not look at that as discrimination.”

>

>Oh, I see, it is okay if an escort states his

>preferences/prejudices/restrictions/abilities to perform, as

>long as it is done openly in a public web site, but not okay

>to respond in kind in a private email? Sorry, I really don’t

>comprehend the difference.

 

It's aparent from your post that you don't comprehend.

 

>

>>It is discrimination when an escort charges client A $200.

>and client B $275 for the same service because client B is

>less attractive.<

>

>Nope, imo, that isn’t discrimination, just honesty. I’d bet

>it is a whole lot more effort and work for an escort to

>deliver the same service to someone he finds physically

>unattractive, than it is to provide it to someone he finds

>physically attractive. Extra effort and work always means

>extra pay!

If escorting was any noted business in the USA it would be illegal to charge an unattractive person more than an attractive person. As an example you are at the local redneck bar. You are sitting with a straight guy. The bartender knows you're a fag. He charges you $1.00 more for the moonshine you're drinking because he doesn't like fags. Now if he had a sign on the wall no fags allowed, well as you can see either way it's discrimination.

 

>Grow up and face the facts that life has dealt you! You

>aren't a 25 yo hottie hiring 18 yo escorts! Stop berating

>escorts for being honest with you, especially when you can't

>be honest in return, with all your little, childish game

>playing schemes. And then have the audacity to come here to

>HB's mc and post your trash?

 

>Mindboggling!

>

Yes we agree on the word above.

 

RT

[woodlawn]

>Woodlawn,

 

>I personally think it is great that an escort will tell you

>upfront what he expects, I feel this helps the meeting go so

>much better. If you can only escort for height weight

>proportional clients then good for you. However, I do think

>this would end up hitting the escort in the pocket. What I

>don't think is right is charging more for your services have

>you ever heard of discrimination? If you charged more to a

>black or asian client that would be labeled as

>discriminiation.

 

I fail to see the difference between discriminating against a client because you find the color of his skin and the texture of his hair unattractive -- we do have one or two escorts here who advertise that they will serve only Caucasian clients -- and discriminating against a client because you find his big, fat gut unattractive.

 

From a client's point of view, I'd agree that it saves time and money to have an escort tell you in advance that there are certain types of clients he simply will not serve. But I don't see what Four Aces is complaining about -- would he rather have the escorts who quoted higher fees when he revealed that he is a fat guy turn him down altogether instead? As a client, he must realize that he is paying an escort to have sex with him who is not attracted to him and otherwise would not spend time with him. So why is he "saddened" by the notion that some escorts charge more to see clients who are more unattractive than the average? Isn't it logical for an escort who charges money to have sex with people who don't attract him to charge more money for people who are less attractive to him?

[Guest msclonly]

A Dollar a Pound!!

 

OH!

I thought this was about the Escort charging by the pound of his own bodyweight!

 

185# vs 260#! Not that would be interesting!

[Rick Munroe]

>Over the past 7 days I tried a little experiment.

 

I can understand your feelings after the responses you got, but I think it's a little obnoxious to send out fake emails just for "a little experiment." Some of us take the time to write back thoughtful, personal replies to the many emails we receive from prospective clients, and I think it's a bit inconsiderate on your part to waste someone's time like that. What did you really gain from it? Some guys will have different rates for different types of clients (I do not, by the way), and that's the way they run their business. IMHO, I think the less game-playing and BS from both sides, the better.

[taylorky]

DAMN u lost the...equivalent of me, well almost anyway.

[FourAces]

>What did you really gain from it?

Quite a bit of knowledge actually. I have met some cool escorts as well. The guys who truly do not mind my weight.

 

> IMHO, I think the less game-playing and BS from

>both sides, the better.

 

I agree but the bottom line is escorts and clients play far too many games. I don't consider my experiment a game. I honestly consider it research.

[Rick Munroe]

>I don't consider my experiment a game. I

>honestly consider it research.

 

I used to love to make prank phone calls when I was a kid, just to see what kind of a reaction I could get from people. I guess that was "research," too, huh? :7

[woodlawn]

>>I don't consider my experiment a game. I

>>honestly consider it research.

 

>I used to love to make prank phone calls when I was a kid,

>just to see what kind of a reaction I could get from people.

>I guess that was "research," too, huh?

 

 

No, those were prank calls. Unlike you, Aces didn't call someone and say something designed to irritate or annoy him. He called escorts in order to obtain some information that he actually needed -- specifically, how they react to clients of his physical type. Since no one publishes a manual telling clients how much personal information they should give an escort when hiring, a client simply has to guess what he should tell an escort in order to insure that an appointment goes reasonably well. Of course, the client could always ask an escort whether he has any questions, but on the many occasions when I've done that the escort has always said he has none, so based on my experience that strategy is not terribly useful.

 

It isn't a prank when the NAACP submits two applications to a mortgage lender, only one of which identifies the applicant as black but both of which have identical financial information, in order to find out whether the applicant's race affects the lender's decision. That's research too.

[Rick Munroe]

>Since no one publishes a manual telling

>clients how much personal information they should give an

>escort when hiring, a client simply has to guess what he

>should tell an escort in order to insure that an appointment

>goes reasonably well.

 

The truth is always a good place to start.

[FourAces]

>>>I don't consider my experiment a game. I

>>>honestly consider it research.

>

>>I used to love to make prank phone calls when I was a kid,

>>just to see what kind of a reaction I could get from people.

>

>>I guess that was "research," too, huh?

 

Only if you kept statistics

Maybe I need to clarify for you Rick that unlike your prank calls that would not amount to anything ALL of the escort's I contacted I was interested in hiring. But I do not want to hire an escort who is so put off by my weight it that the appt goes south. I was not out to see if they charged more or not. That was the escorts who did this to themselves.

>

>

>>

>It isn't a prank when the NAACP submits two applications to a

>mortgage lender, only one of which identifies the applicant as

>black but both of which have identical financial information,

>in order to find out whether the applicant's race affects the

>lender's decision. That's research too.

>

This is sort of where I took the idea from. We have a PSA that runs all the time about housing discrimination. A man calls as different people for an apartment that is for rent. He uses different accents and ethnic names when asking about the apartment. Each time he is told it has been rented till his last call as a white man of distinction. Very sad indeed.

 

RT

[OneFinger]

RE: How Did You Do It?

 

Thanks so much for the honest reply. I'm still in that search for the magic pill or solution that would take the responsibility away from me.

 

Your routine seems echo what I've heard from the professionals. I really enjoy hearing it from someone that's used it successfully. There is hope!!

[taylorky]

sure is