Do you give massages? How big is your cock...?

[marylander1940]

Do you give massages? How big is your cock...?

 

I wonder if some cheap guys call for a massage to get that rate and after the massage starts they'd like to do some more?

 

Do you tell him the new rate if the massage escalates into something else?

[AndreFuture]

I assume that what is charged is for the time, not specific acts. When I get that question, I tell them that my rates are time only, and I advertise on A4A under masseuse.

[+ Lance_Navarro]

My issues is that I am a trained massage therapist and do excellent work, so I do want to attract some therapeutic appts, and I need to price those competitively, cause I don't feel I can charge my escort rate of $280 when most are charging less than $150 for massage, so I charge $180. This still has led to moments where the client hoped I would take it further, but didn't want to pay my erotic rate. Most of the time they end up coming to see me for a massage & play session, but for some that is outside their budget. I've also clarified, if they seem like they can't decide, that we can start therapeutic and if they are feeling like they want to "upgrade" they can let me know during the massage.

[+ not2rowdy]

...I wonder if some cheap guys call for a massage to get that rate and after the massage starts they'd like to do some more?...

 

It's not too common to see separate rates listed for massage and escort services but it does happen.

 

There have been previous comments on this forum by masseurs (and escorts) irritated by clients trying to turn the massage into an escort session at the lower massage rate. Several masseurs I’ve had experience with have also said the same thing.

 

So yes, that happens all the time. As does the similar situation where a masseur advertises different rates for healing (therapeutic) vs relaxing (sensual & maybe erotic).

 

So it's very likely there are clients would would attempt the scenario you describe.

 

But the opposite also happens where the masseur, escort or body rub provider, tries to upsell to the client once the session starts.

[sincitymix]

Do you give massages? How big is your cock...?

 

I wonder if some cheap guys call for a massage to get that rate and after the massage starts they'd like to do some more?

 

Do you tell him the new rate if the massage escalates into something else?

 

Nowadays its so hard to figure out of a masseur is really a masseur, or if they are using the masseur role in order to fly under the radar of the law. pics of guys with hot bodies and erect peni..(plural of penis? penises peni? ah well) and spread open holes... but as soon as you mention escort or activities other than massage., anger! outrage! dark side!!

[Brian Kevin]

I've stopped running 'massage only' my rate includes most of the freaky questions I am asked.

 

Lets face it, if they wanted just a massage, they'd be going to Massage Envy.

[+ Lance_Navarro]

Lets face it, if they wanted just a massage, they'd be going to Massage Envy.

 

I get what you're saying, but there are guys who want a more sensual and intimate massage, which you aren't going to get at the "factory" that is Massage Envy, but not an erotic/sexual experience.

[Brian Kevin]

I get what you're saying, but there are guys who want a more sensual and intimate massage, which you aren't going to get at the "factory" that is Massage Envy, but not an erotic/sexual experience.

 

This is when using your brain comes in handy. Its good to read and ask questions about who your hiring. Some therapist offer more than others.

 

Facials, exfoliation and different types of massage -- some like me even think ice is fun and exciting to bring into the bed room.

 

I don't mind sex at all. If I'm engaging your privates or your engaging my privates, that's beyond massage. I am extremely comfortable with this, however many clients still think that's a massage. Ethically yes and no. Once the masseur removes his cloths all senses of a 'ethical massage' are out the window.

 

I just beat around the bush a little bit to protect myself and my license, which both are very important to me.

 

Having worked at Massage Envy in Boston, I would like to say -- It is very very possible to get an intimate massage in a factory setting, you have to interview your therapist. and ensure they are the proper fit for you. Treat a therapist as you would a friend and you'd be amazed the things a trained and educated therapist would be willing to do. It works both ways too.

 

I've said it once, I'll say it again, communication is key.

 

Also, Lace, thank you for challenging (in a healthy and respectful manner) my last post, I am thankful for elaborating a little. My statement was way to broad and could of been misunderstood by someone, so I appreciate you not letting me hang myself there stud. XO

[corndog]

I get what you're saying, but there are guys who want a more sensual and intimate massage, which you aren't going to get at the "factory" that is Massage Envy, but not an erotic/sexual experience.

 

@Lance_Navarro, I'm sometimes one of those guys.

 

I find it very difficult to figure out where the line is drawn for each individual masseur. I think that the energy exchange that comes from mutual touch can be an important part of a legitimate therapeutic massage. And, it seems like some kind of "happy ending" is often within the realm of a massage and not necessarily justification for the "escort" rate. If a guy is massaging my private parts, it feels somewhat rude not to reciprocate in some way.

 

I think it's clear that if there is any anal sex involved, it has moved into the "escorting" category, but I've also had masseurs offer a "prostate massage" as part of the their regular therapeutic service.

 

So, my point is that there are huge gray areas here. Ordinarily, I would advocate simply asking the provider directly, but I think that most masseurs won't be comfortable with that question, and will probably judge me as someone who is simply trying to get escort service for massage rates.

 

So, Lance, my question for you, and for other providers who may want to chime in, is: Where do you draw the line between massage service and escorting?

[MrMattBig]

I usually avoid people that ask those kind of questions for many reasons. Mainly, I am not a licensed but I do sometimes give sensual body rubs when requested. Also, it is hard to me to determine rather or not the person is actually real and serious. Those questions are usually a red flags for me due to past experiences but I guess it may be different someone that offers massages. Maybe I am wrong.... I am still learning here. I am curious what others have experienced.

[KJJ]

I have found the sensual massage world to be everything from the MT doesn't even bother to get undressed, to "happy endings" at my own hand, to the MT providing the "ending", to him trying to upcharge for oral to the MT telling me he is horny as f*** and the next thing he's riding me. The last guy started with oral and ended with oral. My point is you never know how the massage is going to go until it happens, all depends on the MT, the ads are sometimes unclear and I get that they need to protect themselves so I think you need to either be prepared to go with the moment or have a conversation beforehand. I always enter with premise that if I am going for a massage that is my first and primary want, if anything else happens lucky me. If I want more then I should be looking at the escorts ads.

[+ Lance_Navarro]

@Lance_Navarro, I'm sometimes one of those guys.

 

I find it very difficult to figure out where the line is drawn for each individual masseur. I think that the energy exchange that comes from mutual touch can be an important part of a legitimate therapeutic massage. And, it seems like some kind of "happy ending" is often within the realm of a massage and not necessarily justification for the "escort" rate. If a guy is massaging my private parts, it feels somewhat rude not to reciprocate in some way.

 

I think it's clear that if there is any anal sex involved, it has moved into the "escorting" category, but I've also had masseurs offer a "prostate massage" as part of the their regular therapeutic service.

 

So, my point is that there are huge gray areas here. Ordinarily, I would advocate simply asking the provider directly, but I think that most masseurs won't be comfortable with that question, and will probably judge me as someone who is simply trying to get escort service for massage rates.

 

So, Lance, my question for you, and for other providers who may want to chime in, is: Where do you draw the line between massage service and escorting?

 

Thanks for your comments and inquiry. For me, if a client books, and is paying for a therapeutic session, than I am not going to directly address their cock or ass or have any intention of helping them have an orgasm. It's often the case in therapeutic or sensual massage that the client will become aroused, especially when massaging their inner thighs and stomach, but I dont help them get off. Also, I'll usually keep shorts or underwear on for therapeutic sessions.

 

Its almost always the case that in therapeutic sessions, the clients wants it to go further, but I have to draw a line, since those sessions are $100 less. There are times where I feel like I should just do away with the therapeutic session rates, but I hold out because I do still get the occassional one where that's truly all they want.

[+ not2rowdy]

I find it very difficult to figure out where the line is drawn for each individual masseur....

So, my point is that there are huge gray areas here. Ordinarily, I would advocate simply asking the provider directly, but I think that most masseurs won't be comfortable with that question, and will probably judge me as someone who is simply trying to get escort service for massage rates....

 

Sorry, I’m a client but I’m going to chime in anyway.

 

I think it is likely that some advertise as masseurs as a way to screen clients. They are able to use that as a way to keep the session “legitimate”. Especially if it is a new client and there is any concern of a sting situation. It is always easier to go further than to go backwards. It can also be a way to screen for physical attraction and thus decide whether to provide extra service.

 

 

Its almost always the case that in therapeutic sessions, the clients wants it to go further...

 

That surprises me a bit. Using the old Masseurfinder categories I understood increasing levels of “sensuality” to be Therapeutic > Sensual > Erotic. (The new categories are now just Heal and Relax).

 

So I would have thought clients trying to “go further” would fall primarily in those arranging for a “Sensual” massage.

[+ Lance_Navarro]

So I would have thought clients trying to “go further” would fall primarily in those arranging for a “Sensual” massage

 

I still see a difference between sensual and erotic. My massage by nature are very sensual, but still, I don't cross into erotic unless that is what the client is booking and paying for. Of course it complicates things that there is NOTHING we can say on massage ads regarding the intimacy or sensuality of our sessions, since all of the sites have seriously restricted ad content in the last 6 months. It saddens me that things can't be more transparent, open and honest.

[LADoug1]

I guess I'm lucky. My favorite MT always starts rimming me during the massage and then it usually graduates into oral sex or more. There is never an upcharge or negotiation.

[HobbesianAcademic]

I hire both massage and escort. Same guys usually actually. two different rates because the work is different. With that being said, massage space is very different for me than escort space. My regular usually charges 120 for massage and normally it includes a "happy ending" via only hand, but I don't actually like that usually and we don't mix. I've always point blank tell the therapist no happy endings. It's also not the same experience as a massage at a spa. It is more emotionally intimate. I think this confusion must be extremely annoying for escorts and/or masseurs.