I'M MOVING TO CANADA

[Tonyko]

(not really ) But if THIS is what they elect as the new PMinister they're doin' sumthin' right

http://s22.postimg.org/v2jyhxxhs/PMINISTER.jpg

[mike carey]

Listen to his acceptance speech and imagine that in the US.

[Tonyko]

Listen to his acceptance speech and imagine that in the US.

I already did but curious: You mean that is a POZ way re change like wouldn't that be great?? Or a NEG way re it's simplistic optimisn and his Hollywood looks and thanks would be bashed here?

[Tuffpie]

It is going to be very interesting to observe a 100% liberal government in a 1st world western democracy. This isn't France.

 

I had already been looking at homes in Montreal; this just adds to the argument to move.

[rvwnsd]

A couple of things:

 

1) The best-looking candidates in the US primary season are all nutjobs.

2) Canada's liberal government can switch back to a conservative government as it did when Harper was elected.

3) The cost of living is higher in Canada than in the US

4) The lower-cost prescriptions are, in part, funded by taxes, which are higher than in the US.

5) Provincial tax rates are higher than in the US. Here's Quebec's tax chart for 2015:

 

Income tax rates for 2015

The income tax rates for the 2015 taxation year, determined on the basis of your taxable income, are as follows:

 

Taxable income Rate

• $41,935 or less: 16%
  
• More than $41,935, but not more than $83,865: 20%
  
• More than $83,865, but not more than $102,040: 24%
  
• More than $102,040: 25.75%
  

I'm not disagreeing with Canada's method of running its government and I am sure I'm oversimplifying it, but there are things to consider before buying a house there. Oh, and if you intend to maintain US residency to avoid Canadian taxes while enjoying Canadian benefits and services just remember that karma is bitchier than a karload of Kardashians.

[Tuffpie]

None of that, I just like Canada and that's about it. My mom's family is canadian; she's the only one of her siblings who moved to the US. I've never been enamored with America, even after 51 years.

[Tonyko]

All the old jokes aside... (How do you get 100 Canadians out of a pool on the hottest day or the year? Ask them to get out of the pool.) ANOTHER cop was just shot dead here yesterday:( 25 years old and shot dead in the head last night by a fleeing suspect up in East Harlem, I don't think there's ANY ONE on this forum who doesn't envy their gun laws and miniscule murder rate just as I do.

[AdamSmith]

http://img.niadd.com/funnypictures/canada/63/canadianstereotypes.jpeg

[Tuffpie]

My grandmother used to say that Canada was basically America without the America. :-) Discussing the differences between Canada and the US often turns into a competition of one over the other, which makes me uncomfortable; see, I really am Canadian. It's not nirvana, not at all, but it is a nice place to live.

[rvwnsd]

All the old jokes aside... (How do you get 100 Canadians out of a pool on the hottest day or the year? Ask them to get out of the pool.) ANOTHER cop was just shot dead here yesterday:( 25 years old and shot dead in the head last night by a fleeing suspect up in East Harlem, I don't think there's ANY ONE on this forum who doesn't envy their gun laws and miniscule murder rate just as I do.

 

I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a "gun nut." However, was the cop shot by a gun that was legally purchased and owned? The answer doesn't make the cop any less shot, of course. However, if the gun used to shoot the cop was purchased illegally, restricting the legal purchase of a gun will not prevent that illegally obtained gun from shooting someone. That said, Chicago had a very tough gun law for more than thirty years until it was overturned. The murder rate increased significantly in the years since.

[Tuffpie]

The availability of guns is part of the problem. The other problem, and it is just stunning, is the extent to which America is just violent, in general, and the extent to which we accept or ignore our violent tendencies. When two dozen children are mowed down in 5 minutes and we do nothing, well, I think that says about all that there is to say.

[Tonyko]

I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a "gun nut." However, was the cop shot by a gun that was legally purchased and owned? The answer doesn't make the cop any less shot, of course. However, if the gun used to shoot the cop was purchased illegally, restricting the legal purchase of a gun will not prevent that illegally obtained gun from shooting someone. That said, Chicago had a very tough gun law for more than thirty years until it was overturned. The murder rate increased significantly in the years since.

[BSR]

I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a "gun nut." However, was the cop shot by a gun that was legally purchased and owned? The answer doesn't make the cop any less shot, of course. However, if the gun used to shoot the cop was purchased illegally, restricting the legal purchase of a gun will not prevent that illegally obtained gun from shooting someone. That said, Chicago had a very tough gun law for more than thirty years until it was overturned. The murder rate increased significantly in the years since.

Are you sure that "Chicago had a very tough gun law for more than thirty years until it was overturned. The murder rate increased significantly in the years since"? Where's your substantiation?

 

Heller (the SCOTUS decision which affirmed that the 2nd Amendment protects individual gun ownership) was in 2008, and McDonald (the SCOTUS decision which applied the 2nd Amendment to state and local governments) was in 2010. Of course, I found a zillion pro-2nd Amendment sources substantiating that the murder rate in Chicago has gone down since those two decisions, but I knew the gun-grabbers would scoff at all of them. But needle in a haystack, here is confirmation from HuffPo that the murder rate did indeed go down (2013 saw the lowest murder rate in Chicago since the mid-60s) after law-abiding citizens in Chicago were allowed to "keep and bear arms" (you know, EXACTLY as stated in the US Constitution).

 

Let me reiterate what I said in another thread about the issue of the 2nd Amendment: regarding the very divisive issues of abortion on demand and gay marriage, liberals love to cite Roe v. Wade and Obergefell v. Hodges as the law of the land. The Supreme Court made its ruling, case closed. In other words, get over it, and shut the fuck up. The SCOTUS Heller and McDonald decisions plus the 9th Circuit Chovan decision (it won't go to the Supreme Court, so the Chovan decision is the last word) have affirmed the people's right to keep and bear arms - that is, a law-abiding citizen has the right to own a gun, neither states nor localities can infringe on that right, and you have the right to carry that gun on your person. I'm fed up with this subject of gun control, so I'll do what you liberals do: case closed, get over it, shut the fuck up.

[BSR]

None of that, I just like Canada and that's about it. My mom's family is canadian; she's the only one of her siblings who moved to the US. I've never been enamored with America, even after 51 years.

Tuffpie, from what I've read of your posts (which I'll concede isn't much, so correct me if I'm wrong), you're a leftist, correct? You might hold some conservative or moderate views on some issues, but by and large, generally speaking, you're a liberal. I say that because from I remember of my time in Spain, conservative Spaniards tend to be quite pro-American and leftist Spaniards quite anti-American. We (my immediate family) lived in Canada for four years when I was a kid (ages four through seven) before moving to the U.S. I am 100% American, absolutely proud to be American, and would never live anywhere else. With all the family I have in Canada (my father is one of eight kids, six siblings along with their spouses, kids, and grandkids all live in Canada), I guess I always had the option of moving there, but never once considered it. Perhaps you've noticed from my posts that I'm a conservative (a Ted Cruz for President, Tea Party conservative, to be exact). In my opinion, leftists will naturally feel more at home in Canada (well, as long as you're OK with the winters) because Canada is a EuroSocialist country that happens to be located in North America. Conservatives will naturally feel more at home in America because the U.S. is, or at least used to be, a country of make-your-own-destiny individualism. I've been to Toronto a bunch of times, I'd love to go to Montreal one of these days (well, yeah, mostly for the strippers, but for the food too), and a friend (a lifelong Torontonian who now lives in Phoenix) keeps trying to get me to go with him to Vancouver, insisting I'll fall in love with the city. Canada, great place to visit, zero desire to live there.

[Tuffpie]

Tuffpie, from what I've read of your posts (which I'll concede isn't much, so correct me if I'm wrong), you're a leftist, correct? You might hold some conservative or moderate views on some issues, but by and large, generally speaking, you're a liberal. I say that because from I remember of my time in Spain, conservative Spaniards tend to be quite pro-American and leftist Spaniards quite anti-American. We (my immediate family) lived in Canada for four years when I was a kid (ages four through seven) before moving to the U.S. I am 100% American, absolutely proud to be American, and would never live anywhere else. With all the family I have in Canada (my father is one of eight kids, six siblings along with their spouses, kids, and grandkids all live in Canada), I guess I always had the option of moving there, but never once considered it. Perhaps you've noticed from my posts that I'm a conservative (a Ted Cruz for President, Tea Party conservative, to be exact). In my opinion, leftists will naturally feel more at home in Canada (well, as long as you're OK with the winters) because Canada is a EuroSocialist country that happens to be located in North America. Conservatives will naturally feel more at home in America because the U.S. is, or at least used to be, a country of make-your-own-destiny individualism. I've been to Toronto a bunch of times, I'd love to go to Montreal one of these days (well, yeah, mostly for the strippers, but for the food too), and a friend (a lifelong Torontonian who now lives in Phoenix) keeps trying to get me to go with him to Vancouver, insisting I'll fall in love with the city. Canada, great place to visit, zero desire to live there.

I don't know that I categorize myself, or anyone else by and large. I've a set of values and like what I like. Canada has found a nice balance between free markets and socialism. I'm good with that.

 

As for Ted Cruz. Well, I'm a gay man so no matter what other opinions he holds that I might agree with, he believes I'm not worthy of the Constitution. I don't need to support people who don't support me.

[Tonyko]

a law-abiding citizen has the right to own a gun, neither states nor localities can infringe on that right, and you have the right to carry that gun on your person. I'm fed up with this subject of gun control, so I'll do what you liberals do: case closed, get over it, shut the fuck up.

EVERY massacre of recent years was perpetrated by someone who WAS up to that point a law-abiding citizen OR USED A GUN owned BY a law-abiding citizen. Our fore-fathers were geniuses they had to create something that would work in a world they couldn't even imagine and even THEY made it CLEAR they meant A FUCKING ARMY! A MILITIA! And CASE IS NOT CLOSED, any more than it was for the other issues people like you said were constitutional dictums. And you do NOT have to change a legality to change a law, you just have to make it a dinosour, as those who think like you do are becoming. My mother had TWO minks coats. We couldn't GIVE them away. Girls don't wear dead animals anymore SHOCK. Who'd have thought it??? Sadly it's probably going to take EVERY gun owner to be personally affected by some senseless loss for the insanity to stop. And sadly, that will probably be the case within a decade.

*and if ONE more asshole says GUNS IN LEGAL HANDS PROTECT my head will explode:mad: Can someone COUNT the # of guns in legal hands WITHIN FIVE FEET OF RONALD REAGAN coming out of that hotel??? KInda' didn't make a big diff huh?

[mike carey]

Americans, Canadians and Australian (and others no doubt) will often say that they each live in the best country in the world, and all three can cite good reasons to justify their claims. We each have different balances of individual and collective rights and responsibilities. To me, none of the three have things completely right. For me, health and education systems that guarantee a basic level of access to everyone are important. I don't call that socialism, I call it basic humanity. My country doesn't have marriage equality, but some of the rights that depend on marriage in the US (recognition of partner status, inheritance, health, our equivalent of social security) are legally guaranteed without registered 'coupledom' of any sort.

[BSR]

EVERY massacre of recent years was perpetrated by someone who WAS up to that point a law-abiding citizen OR USED A GUN owned BY a law-abiding citizen. Our fore-fathers were geniuses they had to create something that would work in a world they couldn't even imagine and even THEY made it CLEAR they meant A FUCKING ARMY! A MILITIA! And CASE IS NOT CLOSED, any more than it was for the other issues people like you said were constitutional dictums. And you do NOT have to change a legality to change a law, you just have to make it a dinosour, as those who think like you do are becoming. My mother had TWO minks coats. We couldn't GIVE them away. Girls don't wear dead animals anymore SHOCK. Who'd have thought it??? Sadly it's probably going to take EVERY gun owner to be personally affected by some senseless loss for the insanity to stop. And sadly, that will probably be the case within a decade.

*and if ONE more asshole says GUNS IN LEGAL HANDS PROTECT my head will explode:mad: Can someone COUNT the # of guns in legal hands WITHIN FIVE FEET OF RONALD REAGAN coming out of that hotel??? KInda' didn't make a big diff huh?

We won. You lost. Shut the fuck up.

 

What about the above is so damn complicated that you're incapable of understanding??

[BSR]

I don't know that I categorize myself, or anyone else by and large.

That in itself is a dead giveaway, liberals' insistence that "I'm so impossible to define."

[Tuffpie]

That in itself is a dead giveaway, liberals' insistence that "I'm so impossible to define."

Did your pet die today, BSR? You seem like you need a hug.

[BSR]

Did your pet die today, BSR? You seem like you need a hug.

I'm sorry, Tuffpie, did I not blow enough sunshine up your ass?

[Tonyko]

We won. You lost. Shut the fuck up. What about the above is so damn complicated that you're incapable of understanding??

I have to bow to your obvious scope of knowlege if you're able to quote such historic lines, since I'm pretty sure that's what Hitler said to the English after Dunkirk See, the reason you respond like that is because there is no rational or intelligent response on your side And I'm chill, cause it DON'T matter if a LAW or CONSTITUTION or OPRAH or GOD HIMSELF says it's so, if the majority of PEOPLE think it's SHOULDN'T be so, it changes. It's kinda' why we don't have Speakeasy's anymore . There are MORE of us than you so it's only a matter of time. And for those who say you'll have to pry my gun out of my cold dead hand blah blah...well, given the rate of gun owners also killed by handguns (oft their own used against them) that's only a matter of time too:rolleyes:

[BSR]

I have to bow to your obvious scope of knowlege if you're able to quote such historic lines, since I'm pretty sure that's what Hitler said to the English after Dunkirk See, the reason you respond like that is because there is no rational or intelligent response on your side And I'm chill, cause it DON'T matter if a LAW or CONSTITUTION or OPRAH or GOD HIMSELF says it's so, if the majority of PEOPLE think it's SHOULDN'T be so, it changes. It's kinda' why we don't have Speakeasy's anymore . There are MORE of us than you so it's only a matter of time. And for those who say you'll have to pry my gun out of my cold dead hand blah blah...well, given the rate of gun owners also killed by handguns (oft their own used against them) that's only a matter of time too:rolleyes:

You liberals love to make unsubstantiated assertions. Please prove that the majority of Americans want to ban guns. And by all means, I encourage all political candidates who believe in gun bans & confiscation to run on that platform. Let's see how they fare when the votes are tallied.

[mike carey]

I already did but curious: You mean that is a POZ way re change like wouldn't that be great?? Or a NEG way re it's simplistic optimisn and his Hollywood looks and thanks would be bashed here?

I meant that with the current febrile nature of US politics it's difficult to imagine any of the current candidates speaking like that, even in a victory speech (or if they did, people would look cynically for the loopholes and hidden 'fine print'). So a bit of both the positive and the negative. It was actually more a lament for how politics could work, how it doesn't need to be run as a zero sum game. It remains to be seen how it will play out in Canada once the Liberals settle down to governing. Two things that augur well are that the Liberals have a clear majority in the House of Commons (so no Congressional-type roadblocks) and one of the opposition parties is to the left and the other to the right of them.

[Tonyko]

You liberals love to make unsubstantiated assertions. Please prove that the majority of Americans want to ban guns. And by all means, I encourage all political candidates who believe in gun bans & confiscation to run on that platform. Let's see how they fare when the votes are tallied.

Do I REALLY need to point out there's a diff between getting someone elected on a platform like that and getting a law changed or the Constitution radified????????? Let's make it easy and say JUST HALF of the ppl in the USA who do NOT own a gun would prefer no one outside of military or law enforcement had one. That's STILL a majority over you. I don't need to prove it it's a given, the majority of Americans do not want guns, same as the majority of Americans do not have paneling in their living rooms or dead animals strapped to their vehicles like a hood ornament or think beer consumed indoors in a glass bottle is fancy. No one NEEDS a gun, you WANT a gun. Well I want to smoke a cigar after a steak dinner at Mortons but I can't because the MAJORITY of ppl don't want it. So the law changed. And NO I can't go HOME and smoke one because the majority of my Co-Op board don't want it so the laws changed. Yes I CAN go out on the street. And gun hobbyists can go to a range!

AND ANYONE WHO SAYS IT'S THEIR PROTECTION NEEDS TO PICK A SIDE. AFTER EVERY MASSACRE YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S NOT THE GUN IT'S THE PERSON, THE UNBALANCED NUT JOB MADE THE DIFFERENCE, THEN ALSO SAY LIVES ARE SAVED BECAUSE PEOPLE HAD A GUN TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AND THE GUN MADE THE DIFFERENCE. IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER

And if we use the forum as a gauge re how the majority feels, you've been on 8 years and have 60 likes and I've been on ten months and have over 300. The majority has spoken. Cya.