Need help finding a "ultra high-end" escort - for my boss!

[danneeoo]

Have you considered gay friendly masseurs?

Many indicate a willingness to go further than just massage.

That might offer both “legitimacy” and “plausible deniability” for your employers protection. Especially if they are licensed.

 

Just a new tangent to think about for your your search.

 

www.massagem4m.com

www.masseurfinder.com

www.sexymasseur.com

www.rentmasseur.com

www.manworks.com

 

Good luck!

 

Thanks for this. Definitely a venue to look at. What would be an indication that they're offering more than...?

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

Not that it's relevant, but I am a guy. Thanks for your constructive feedback. Those all seem like good things to take into consideration...

 

Okay—let’s assume this question is legit and that D begins to vet the UHEE group, and has to see 4 before he’s able to decide on one for his boss.

 

 

The escorts fly in from SFO, DFW, ORD and one is from NYC. The three fly-ins will all require an overnight because of the travel time involved, and the overnights are $1600 each. The three hotel rooms are $350/room. The flights into NYC (which were booked in a fairly short time period) average at $600/each. Transit while in NYC is $100/each. Meals are $100/each. NYC can meet for 2 hours, at $400/hr. No tips this go-around, since no services were performed—just meet-ups.

 

 

So far, that’s roughly $10650 to find an escort.

 

The results: we’ll say that UHEE 1 is the SFO escort and UHEE 2 is the ORD escort.

 

 

UHEE 1 requires a 2-night minimum to meet (M-W), since it’s a 5+2 hr flight each way (without any delays) + 1hr each way transit. That’s 16 hours of travel time each appointment. A direct coach flight from SFO to JFK is $827, plus tax plus transit, which is $875. The hotel is $300/night. Meals are $100/day. If your boss elects to fly the escort at a different class, you'll need to add the price difference in.

 

 

That’s $4875 for a 2-3/hr appointment + 2.5x/mo + $200/tip each time = $12587.50 / 7.5hrs = $1678/hr

 

 

UHEE 2 requires a 1.5-night minimum (M-T), which is 2.5 + 2 flight each way + 1 hour of transit each way = 11 hours of transit time per appointment. Flight is $510 + taxes and airport transit = $600. Hotel and meals are same as above.

 

 

That’s $2800 for a 2-3/hr appointment + 2.5x/mo + $200/tip each time = $7400/7.5 hrs = $987/hr

 

 

Of course, you might be able to find an escort willing to go cheaper, or they may be even more expensive. I'm guessing that an UHEE is going to charge even more per session, since that's what you're saying your client is looking for anyway. I'm not sure what entails "kept boy" status, but your boss will definitely be paying for someone to come in from out of town.

[+ quoththeraven]

Do you think a kept-boy situation could offer the limitation to exposure that he desires as much as the theoretical, for lack of a better word, "in between guy" he wants to find?

 

From what you say, kept boy without exclusivity but with expectations as to availability would be much more likely to fit the bill. But those arrangements presuppose your boss paying for the guy's living expenses. My assumption would be that non-exclusive kept boys have recreational sex with others, not transactional sex.

 

He's also just as open to blackmail, maybe even more so in this situation, where he is responsible for a large portion of the person's income. What happens when the relationship comes to an end? Is there a severance package? The kept boy, whether ex-escort or otherwise, is taking a lot of risk if nothing is in writing, but my guess is your client wouldn't want anything in writing. Even if something's in writing, is it enforceable?

 

I still think it's the exclusivity that's the stumbling block, that your boss is being unrealistic in expecting it, and he'd be better off with escorts with no face pics and a good record for discretion. Best to take the plunge, set an appointment with one after you vet reviews and websites (make sure it's someone who accepts phone calls; him talking to them on the phone will likely be important), and go from there. If they don't click, move on. By trying to avoid some risks he's creating others.

[+ Gar1eth]

If this thread isn't a fake, then unfortunately I think Danneeoo has for the most part probably come to the wrong place for information. I may be going out on a limb here, but I'm going to put forth that it's unlikely any of us -the regular contributors here - are billionaires or that we hire the kinds of escorts he is looking for. If we were and we did, then I doubt we would be posting on here regularly asking about the escorts that we find on the usual sites. Now in my dark and cobwebbed mind, I could see how it might be vaguely possible that there are a few people who might be that well off who use the Forum here -maybe so they can see how the other half live. It might even be more possible that some members are on the fringes of that world such as our OP Danneeo.

 

But you know, when you come down to it, the type of guys and situation that Danneeoo is 'Hunting High And Low For' (anyone catch this reference) to please his 'patron' is actually the total antithesis of Hooboy's original stated aims for his Male Escort Review Site and The Message Center (now known as the Members' Forum whereof we are currently posting). After all Hooboy's motto for the site was 'Honest in Our Judgements & Truthful in Our Reporting'. But if I'm understanding Danneeoo right, he might not want an escort who has been reported on because they are too public and well-known.

 

So in my view to sum it up-

#1. The types of escorts that advertise on the usual sites as well as show up on reviews here are in general not the types of guys Danneeo's patron seems to want.

 

#2. I'm sure there are guys out there that fit what Danneeo needs.

 

#3. It's going to be unlikely, but not impossible, for some member of the Forum here to be 'in the know' on these 'ultra high end' escorts as we don't make that kind of money needed to hire them, and those aren't the guys we hire.

 

#4. I wonder if Danneeoo's needs (and of course by extension his Patron's) wouldn't be better served by a site like Seeking Arrangements-but even that might be too public.

 

Gman

[JulianLondon]

Danneeoo join seekingarrangement.com. It will take you less than a fortnight to find the perfect guy. Pm if you like for more details.

[maninsoma]

From what you say, kept boy without exclusivity but with expectations as to availability would be much more likely to fit the bill. But those arrangements presuppose your boss paying for the guy's living expenses. My assumption would be that non-exclusive kept boys have recreational sex with others, not transactional sex.

 

He's also just as open to blackmail, maybe even more so in this situation, where he is responsible for a large portion of the person's income. What happens when the relationship comes to an end? Is there a severance package? The kept boy, whether ex-escort or otherwise, is taking a lot of risk if nothing is in writing, but my guess is your client wouldn't want anything in writing. Even if something's in writing, is it enforceable?

 

I still think it's the exclusivity that's the stumbling block, that your boss is being unrealistic in expecting it, and he'd be better off with escorts with no face pics and a good record for discretion. Best to take the plunge, set an appointment with one after you vet reviews and websites (make sure it's someone who accepts phone calls; him talking to them on the phone will likely be important), and go from there. If they don't click, move on. By trying to avoid some risks he's creating others.

 

I agree. From my perspective, this man's expectations are more likely to come back to haunt him than give him the privacy he hopes for. If he were to simply hire a guy who has good reviews and a body he likes the look of, there are many to choose from where he lives. He's apparently got the cash to rent a hotel room for the night, have his appointment, and go home. The escort probably won't even know who hired him unless this guy is so well known that they'll immediately recognize him. Then, when he finds someone he likes, he can become a repeat customer if he so desires. That seems like a far more discreet way to engage the services of an escort than to go into it at the beginning looking to create a semi-dependent relationship. He could end up in another Jarec Wentworth type of situation if he goes down that road.

[+ SundayZip]

Sent an email to the lead escort who coordinates the ultra-secret network of ultra-high end escorts and received his reply this morning (his name is Buck, by the way, and he looks just like Chris Evans). Buck says that the escorts in his network are wrong for your boss for a couple of reasons:

 

1) The network escorts are very socially conscience and altruistic as well as being stunningly handsome and in perfect physical shape. Given the huge wealth and income disparity in the US, the escorts agreed to start doing pro bono work for low to middle income people who could not otherwise afford their services. With all their pro bono work, they aren't likely to have time for an ultra-wealthy, elitist person on the privileged side of the wealth gap.

 

2) Many of the escorts also work as models (mostly underwear or fitness models). Given that models would not, as you say, "check the whip-smart and interesting boxes", they would not be a good match for your whip-smart boss.

 

Sorry... Maybe next time.

[+ Gar1eth]

Danneeoo join seekingarrangement.com. It will take you less than a fortnight to find the perfect guy. Pm if you like for more details.

 

That's what I said in my post. Great minds do think alike!!

 

Gman

[+ quoththeraven]

That's what I said in my post. Great minds do think alike!!

 

Gman

 

Which is exactly why I "liked" your post. With a little more time, I'd have also suggested looking at the thread Unicorn started when he was looking for a live in companion or contacting robberbaron4u, who knows something about such arrangements.

 

Another observation: If the concern is that people will know the guy he's with is an escort (and why that's a concern if they won't be out in public together, IDK), he's probably better off hiring guys from out of town. I also don't know why he wants a single, apparently long-term relationship. Once again this is at odds with discretion.

 

Just as an aside, while I don't think it's my place to aim shade at Danneeoo, I agree with SundayZip that his boss comes off as incredibly entitled as well as a mite self-centered, which goes a long way to explaining why I felt the need to apologize to those non-face pic showing escorts I mentioned above -- even those I do not get along with (and no, Rod Hagen, I do not mean you). This whole approach is likely to be a turnoff to top-level escorts.

 

Just for the sake of completeness, I've remembered another top-tier escort who doesn't show face pics: Kyle Vong of NY. But once again, your boss's expectations and requirements may well not line up with Vong's.

[+ Gar1eth]

That's what I said in my post. Great minds do think alike!!

 

Gman

 

Which is exactly why I "liked" your post. .

 

And here I was just sure it was my use of the word 'antithesis.'

 

Gman

[jimboivyo]

you men just got trolled by this thread

 

total fake out

[Steven_Draker]

Hello Danneeoo,

You need to contact the owner of the now defunct A-list.

 

He has the greatest address book of the type of guys you're looking for.

[danneeoo]

Hi Chris, I think you're kinda missing the point that the money aspect on the last of the considerations (if at all). These numbers don't scare anyone in my boss's circles. As an intellectual exercise, let's play a different numbers game.

 

The average wealth (net worth) of an American is about $300k - while the median is about $50k, but that's a different discussion. Let's say that clients able to hire $250+ an hour escorts have wealth higher than the average since most people would find themselves aghast at the idea of spending that kind of money on an hour of anything. Let's peg it at $600k to double it and be generous. That includes house ownership, stocks, savings, retirement, etc.

 

I haven't said exactly what my boss's wealth is but I've mentioned it's between a half and a whole bil. For easy math, let's make that $600m.

 

That $600m is 1,000 times that of the wealth of the average client in our scenario. That's a hard number to comprehend, even for me sometimes. What does that mean?

 

From a strict comparison, that means that my boss could afford to have a 1,000x markup on everything he spends and still live a very comfortable life. What does the average person spend on a night at a hotel? $300? So, $300k. A flight to Europe? $1,500? ($1.5m) A nice dress shirt? $200? So, $200k.

 

Working backward in comparison to his wealth. What does $10k mean to the average American financially? It's the equivalent of $10 of their wealth to him.

 

Of course, it doesn't work exactly like this. Obviously he's not going to giddily put down $50m for a car or $300k for a hotel room - though there are those much wealthier who almost do, and I'm not exaggerating! Look at these insane art auctions going on again lately.

 

But different objects and experiences take on different meaning when you can afford to spend like that, and as with everyone in life, some things have more relative value to you than others. He may not put down $50m for a car and $300k for a hotel room, but he might give himself a nice weekend $20k trip to Hollywood for a great movie premiere followed by a great party with people he wants to be around, instead of paying $20 to see it at the AMC in Kips Bay.

 

$10k for an interview process? That starts to sound like not quite as much money when you look at it from a different angle. $10k to be thorough in a process where you want to handle things the way you know for them to work out best, to find just the right person who's gonna give you an amazing experience over and over, etc. That's just half the cost of a trip to go see the Avengers or whatever premiere and party with Chris Evans, since he's brought up downstream.

 

 

 

Okay—let’s assume this question is legit and that D begins to vet the UHEE group, and has to see 4 before he’s able to decide on one for his boss.

 

 

The escorts fly in from SFO, DFW, ORD and one is from NYC. The three fly-ins will all require an overnight because of the travel time involved, and the overnights are $1600 each. The three hotel rooms are $350/room. The flights into NYC (which were booked in a fairly short time period) average at $600/each. Transit while in NYC is $100/each. Meals are $100/each. NYC can meet for 2 hours, at $400/hr. No tips this go-around, since no services were performed—just meet-ups.

 

 

So far, that’s roughly $10650 to find an escort.

 

The results: we’ll say that UHEE 1 is the SFO escort and UHEE 2 is the ORD escort.

 

 

UHEE 1 requires a 2-night minimum to meet (M-W), since it’s a 5+2 hr flight each way (without any delays) + 1hr each way transit. That’s 16 hours of travel time each appointment. A direct coach flight from SFO to JFK is $827, plus tax plus transit, which is $875. The hotel is $300/night. Meals are $100/day. If your boss elects to fly the escort at a different class, you'll need to add the price difference in.

 

 

That’s $4875 for a 2-3/hr appointment + 2.5x/mo + $200/tip each time = $12587.50 / 7.5hrs = $1678/hr

 

 

UHEE 2 requires a 1.5-night minimum (M-T), which is 2.5 + 2 flight each way + 1 hour of transit each way = 11 hours of transit time per appointment. Flight is $510 + taxes and airport transit = $600. Hotel and meals are same as above.

 

 

That’s $2800 for a 2-3/hr appointment + 2.5x/mo + $200/tip each time = $7400/7.5 hrs = $987/hr

 

 

Of course, you might be able to find an escort willing to go cheaper, or they may be even more expensive. I'm guessing that an UHEE is going to charge even more per session, since that's what you're saying your client is looking for anyway. I'm not sure what entails "kept boy" status, but your boss will definitely be paying for someone to come in from out of town.

[danneeoo]

From what you say, kept boy without exclusivity but with expectations as to availability would be much more likely to fit the bill. But those arrangements presuppose your boss paying for the guy's living expenses. My assumption would be that non-exclusive kept boys have recreational sex with others, not transactional sex.

 

He's also just as open to blackmail, maybe even more so in this situation, where he is responsible for a large portion of the person's income. What happens when the relationship comes to an end? Is there a severance package? The kept boy, whether ex-escort or otherwise, is taking a lot of risk if nothing is in writing, but my guess is your client wouldn't want anything in writing. Even if something's in writing, is it enforceable?

 

I still think it's the exclusivity that's the stumbling block, that your boss is being unrealistic in expecting it, and he'd be better off with escorts with no face pics and a good record for discretion. Best to take the plunge, set an appointment with one after you vet reviews and websites (make sure it's someone who accepts phone calls; him talking to them on the phone will likely be important), and go from there. If they don't click, move on. By trying to avoid some risks he's creating others.

 

These are many of the reasons he's not interested in a kept guy. Lots to think about from you, though, QTR. Thanks. We are discussing this matter later this afternoon.

[danneeoo]

Yes, I cannot imagine there are men of his stature posting here, if for no other reason than that their time is already very stretched. I myself am beyond the hours originally planned for this hunt.

 

Finding someone on the fringes or who has the "secret password" to the world previously mentioned in several threads was what I've been hoping to find. Not all hope is lost, if PMs are indicative of anything.

 

I will look into Seeking Arrangement. I took a quick look early on in the process and I got the impression nothing actually goes on there between men. Hopefully I am wrong.

 

Thanks for your feedback, Gar1eth.

 

 

If this thread isn't a fake, then unfortunately I think Danneeoo has for the most part probably come to the wrong place for information. I may be going out on a limb here, but I'm going to put forth that it's unlikely any of us -the regular contributors here - are billionaires or that we hire the kinds of escorts he is looking for. If we were and we did, then I doubt we would be posting on here regularly asking about the escorts that we find on the usual sites. Now in my dark and cobwebbed mind, I could see how it might be vaguely possible that there are a few people who might be that well off who use the Forum here -maybe so they can see how the other half live. It might even be more possible that some members are on the fringes of that world such as our OP Danneeo.

 

But you know, when you come down to it, the type of guys and situation that Danneeoo is 'Hunting High And Low For' (anyone catch this reference) to please his 'patron' is actually the total antithesis of Hooboy's original stated aims for his Male Escort Review Site and The Message Center (now known as the Members' Forum whereof we are currently posting). After all Hooboy's motto for the site was 'Honest in Our Judgements & Truthful in Our Reporting'. But if I'm understanding Danneeoo right, he might not want an escort who has been reported on because they are too public and well-known.

 

So in my view to sum it up-

#1. The types of escorts that advertise on the usual sites as well as show up on reviews here are in general not the types of guys Danneeo's patron seems to want.

 

#2. I'm sure there are guys out there that fit what Danneeo needs.

 

#3. It's going to be unlikely, but not impossible, for some member of the Forum here to be 'in the know' on these 'ultra high end' escorts as we don't make that kind of money needed to hire them, and those aren't the guys we hire.

 

#4. I wonder if Danneeoo's needs (and of course by extension his Patron's) wouldn't be better served by a site like Seeking Arrangements-but even that might be too public.

 

Gman

[danneeoo]

Danneeoo join seekingarrangement.com. It will take you less than a fortnight to find the perfect guy. Pm if you like for more details.

 

PMing you now.

[danneeoo]

I don't think the idea is to create dependence. I just think he wants someone who limits his clientele signficantly and is willing to pay a higher price for that than the going rate.

 

There is a chance he would be recognized. Not a great one, but a chance. Let's say by 5% of the general population, and 30% of the population that reads a major, serious news source every day.

 

 

I agree. From my perspective, this man's expectations are more likely to come back to haunt him than give him the privacy he hopes for. If he were to simply hire a guy who has good reviews and a body he likes the look of, there are many to choose from where he lives. He's apparently got the cash to rent a hotel room for the night, have his appointment, and go home. The escort probably won't even know who hired him unless this guy is so well known that they'll immediately recognize him. Then, when he finds someone he likes, he can become a repeat customer if he so desires. That seems like a far more discreet way to engage the services of an escort than to go into it at the beginning looking to create a semi-dependent relationship. He could end up in another Jarec Wentworth type of situation if he goes down that road.

[danneeoo]

Sent an email to the lead escort who coordinates the ultra-secret network of ultra-high end escorts and received his reply this morning (his name is Buck, by the way, and he looks just like Chris Evans). Buck says that the escorts in his network are wrong for your boss for a couple of reasons:

 

1) The network escorts are very socially conscience and altruistic as well as being stunningly handsome and in perfect physical shape. Given the huge wealth and income disparity in the US, the escorts agreed to start doing pro bono work for low to middle income people who could not otherwise afford their services. With all their pro bono work, they aren't likely to have time for an ultra-wealthy, elitist person on the privileged side of the wealth gap.

 

2) Many of the escorts also work as models (mostly underwear or fitness models). Given that models would not, as you say, "check the whip-smart and interesting boxes", they would not be a good match for your whip-smart boss.

 

Sorry... Maybe next time.

 

Ha. Well, that is not the first or the last time my boss has been called elitist...in the last ten or next ten minutes.

[danneeoo]

No shade taken, QTR. I wish I could somehow assure you that my boss is a good guy but what can I say? Those are words that are a matter of perspective and have very little meaning at this point in the world I work in. That's like saying gay men are effeminate and bitchy, which I don't believe for the record. My point is though that they mostly roll off with an eye roll for most gay guys at this point, I would think. And even when it does apply, it's like "ok, and?"

 

I'll look for that thread, thanks.

 

 

Which is exactly why I "liked" your post. With a little more time, I'd have also suggested looking at the thread Unicorn started when he was looking for a live in companion or contacting robberbaron4u, who knows something about such arrangements.

 

Another observation: If the concern is that people will know the guy he's with is an escort (and why that's a concern if they won't be out in public together, IDK), he's probably better off hiring guys from out of town. I also don't know why he wants a single, apparently long-term relationship. Once again this is at odds with discretion.

 

Just as an aside, while I don't think it's my place to aim shade at Danneeoo, I agree with SundayZip that his boss comes off as incredibly entitled as well as a mite self-centered, which goes a long way to explaining why I felt the need to apologize to those non-face pic showing escorts I mentioned above -- even those I do not get along with (and no, Rod Hagen, I do not mean you). This whole approach is likely to be a turnoff to top-level escorts.

 

Just for the sake of completeness, I've remembered another top-tier escort who doesn't show face pics: Kyle Vong of NY. But once again, your boss's expectations and requirements may well not line up with Vong's.

[danneeoo]

The only thing I could find on Google was a tv show. Is that what you're talking about?

 

Or am I right to think, based on SundayZip's like, that you're being a wise ass too?

 

 

Hello Danneeoo,

You need to contact the owner of the now defunct A-list.

 

He has the greatest address book of the type of guys you're looking for.

[+ dutchmuch]

Danneeoo, you need help, and not finding an escort for your boss.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

Hi Chris, I think you're kinda missing the point that the money aspect on the last of the considerations (if at all). These numbers don't scare anyone in my boss's circles. As an intellectual exercise, let's play a different numbers game.

 

The average wealth (net worth) of an American is about $300k - while the median is about $50k, but that's a different discussion. Let's say that clients able to hire $250+ an hour escorts have wealth higher than the average since most people would find themselves aghast at the idea of spending that kind of money on an hour of anything. Let's peg it at $600k to double it and be generous. That includes house ownership, stocks, savings, retirement, etc.

 

I haven't said exactly what my boss's wealth is but I've mentioned it's between a half and a whole bil. For easy math, let's make that $600m.

 

That $600m is 1,000 times that of the wealth of the average client in our scenario. That's a hard number to comprehend, even for me sometimes. What does that mean?

 

From a strict comparison, that means that my boss could afford to have a 1,000x markup on everything he spends and still live a very comfortable life. What does the average person spend on a night at a hotel? $300? So, $300k. A flight to Europe? $1,500? ($1.5m) A nice dress shirt? $200? So, $200k.

 

Working backward in comparison to his wealth. What does $10k mean to the average American financially? It's the equivalent of $10 of their wealth to him.

 

Of course, it doesn't work exactly like this. Obviously he's not going to giddily put down $50m for a car or $300k for a hotel room - though there are those much wealthier who almost do, and I'm not exaggerating! Look at these insane art auctions going on again lately.

 

But different objects and experiences take on different meaning when you can afford to spend like that, and as with everyone in life, some things have more relative value to you than others. He may not put down $50m for a car and $300k for a hotel room, but he might give himself a nice weekend $20k trip to Hollywood for a great movie premiere followed by a great party with people he wants to be around, instead of paying $20 to see it at the AMC in Kips Bay.

 

$10k for an interview process? That starts to sound like not quite as much money when you look at it from a different angle. $10k to be thorough in a process where you want to handle things the way you know for them to work out best, to find just the right person who's gonna give you an amazing experience over and over, etc. That's just half the cost of a trip to go see the Avengers or whatever premiere and party with Chris Evans, since he's brought up downstream.

 

Well, good luck with your search. But I'd steer clear of Craigslist Pro—I mean, Seeking Arrangement.com.

[danneeoo]

Well, good luck with your search. But I'd steer clear of Craigslist Pro—I mean, Seeking Arrangement.com.

 

Thanks.

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

I do have one final question. What was the point in your original post of including all the details about your boss, your position, the background story and so on? Why does anyone need to know any of that, and how would it help anyway? Your being the trusty assistant to a high stature semi-billionaire is filler.

 

If you're the savvy assistant and are going to be interviewing them yourself, why not be discreet yourself and say: "Hi, I'm looking for a guy who has the following characteristics...?"

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

ultra wealthy, highly demanding...

 

Yeah! Down with wealthy! Down with demanding!

 

We want poor and easily pleased!