A Message To The Gentlemen Who Winge About Escorts Wanting Their Fee In Advance

[MiamiLooker]

I have sympathised with everyone who has been ripped off, but the attitude on here with some people is that they couldn't give a flying f**k and only hustlers ask for it up front. An attitude that even surprises many clients.

 

I have never ripped off a client, nor would I intend to and it would be stalemate if I asked you for a deposit to travel 200 miles and you refused, you'd be the one to lose out, not me. I'd lose the appointment yes but I wouldn't lose the lot and have it cost me 100 quid if you flaked out after refusing to pay a deposit. It's only fair that if a client is asking an escort to travel a considerable distance (and I count that as as anything over an hours drive) then he should offer to pay a deposit, after all, he's requesting the service from someone who don't know him. I get it all the time and it stinks. "I'm not paying no deposit...mate" they'll say........... Well I'll just stay home and see local guys then.

 

OK. Supposing clients change their attitude towards paying up front. How do you suggest the client determine whether or not upfront payment should be made? If there isn’t a good way to do this then what difference does it make if they have a change in attitude?

[+ Funguy]

I can understand the issue from both sides and the asshole clients who rip off escorts AND the escorts who rip off the clients. You will never get rid of those people and circumstances no matter what you try.

 

I have never paid up front and I have never been asked to pay up front. Maybe it's the "aura" I radiate, maybe it's the escorts and the vibes they get from me after I have spoken on the phone prior to that first meet or from our emails. So…for me, other than if it was a first-time meet, it sort of seems cheesy and spoils the mood of the entire encounter. If there was a consensus among both clients and escorts that first time clients could be asked to pay up front simply because they ARE first time clients, AND this was the norm, I would not be against that custom. There are many businesses and service providers who do ask for payment at the time of visit and later services are billed.

 

Also, those clients who feel ripped-off after paying up front should, by all means, report on a thread here in bold what happened, name, location, everything. That way, at least escorts who are reviewed here will be put on notice. I don't know of any way to do the same re: clients because the names change all the time but, maybe if the escort googled the phone numbers like clients do, maybe they would post here, too.

 

All of this is only IMHO…..

 

Funguy

[SteveEscort]

OK. Supposing clients change their attitude towards paying up front. How do you suggest the client determine whether or not upfront payment should be made? If there isn’t a good way to do this then what difference does it make if they have a change in attitude?

 

 

MiamiLooker

 

Go back to my original post and read it throughly, sorry I am not being condescending here. I've never asked anyone to change their attitudes to paying up front. I've asked the guys who have real issues and who bitch about guys wanting monies up front to be a little more tolerant of their reasons for doing so and to stop making out they're the worse type of escorts in the business because that's not always the case.

[SteveEscort]

Also, those clients who feel ripped-off after paying up front should, by all means, report on a thread here in bold what happened, name, location, everything. That way, at least escorts who are reviewed here will be put on notice. I don't know of any way to do the same re: clients because the names change all the time but, maybe if the escort googled the phone numbers like clients do, maybe they would post here, too.

 

All of this is only IMHO…..

 

Funguy

 

 

This has really bad legal implications for both parties and shouldn't really be the done thing. In England we have a police and government supported scheme called Ugly Mugs https://uknswp.org/um/ you can only gain access to the service if you can PROVE you are a sex worker, you couldn't just join for a look in. They have to see that you're established escort or known to project or social workers, so obviously I have access because I am known. Inside the portal is a secure section to discuss problem clients and believe me there are a fair few in there. They're not all about attacks and rapes. These gentlemen are reported to the police and the police have access to the data submitted by the escort (only with their permission) This includes men who have short changed, ripped off or made false appointments with escorts, some of which have placed them in danger. However, if we were to out these men, we could be charged with offences such as blackmail, libel or extortion, therefore these details sit on a Home Office approved database of problem clients.

 

There is a word of mouth system in place which is HUGELY successful. I often get messages from fellow male and female escorts in and around the city warning me of men who will rip me off, who will keep me against my will and who are involved in drugs and mafia. These go straight into my phone. There is a general consensus about, that escorts should keep all of their details about clients private and I can assure you all, I have never discussed any personal details about a client, unless I have been ripped off, attacked or verbally abused over the phone or face to face. All of which have happened. All escorts get phone calls, calling you a *****, the c word, gay boy, hustler by brain dead people.

 

Clients don't have the right to out escorts in the same way, however BillMiami and DanielNewJersey are more than capable of sharing information about us escorts by private message, email, whatsapp, text, or whatever, the same as how we share information. If you know something bad about a client or an escort, keep it to yourself and only share it with those people that would directly benefit from the alert. Don't put their name on a forum because you have to remember.... Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder. One escort might be wonderful, perfect, alluring and a total Adonis to one gentleman and a total dick to another. Yes place a review online but don't start publishing personal details.

 

As I said earlier on this thread, a female friend of mine said over a glass of wine that it would be great if we could review the clients because I've met some gentlemen who have come across as lovely online, who have written glowing reviews and I have arrived at the hotel to meet Mr Total Arrogant Ignoramus. I just get on with the appointment, smile in the right places and hope for the best. I've been reviewed as 9.5/10 excellent on the Adultwork site for an appointment, which on my side was less than good but I put an act on to make sure he didn't realise what a really nasty piece of work he really was during the time he spent with me. On that site you can choose to review the client back, I chose not to on this occasion because I don't want to come over that way to potential clients who can read what I've said back. Silence meant a lot because nearly every review I get on that site is counter reviewed back with at least a thank you.

[+ Funguy]

Sorry,

I was referring only to payment up front and those who rip off - not good or bad experiences. As you say, those are in the eye of the beholder.

[SteveEscort]

I knew what you meant, but even with that, you just can't out people

[Tylerluv]

Food for thought... or maybe just a light snack:

If you pay your escort up front he can relax. If you don't, what do you suppose is going to weigh on his mind the entire time?

[SteveEscort]

If you pay your escort up front he can relax. If you don't, what do you suppose is going to weigh on his mind the entire time?

 

A great way to sum it up, in once sentence

[wisconsinguy]

A great way to sum it up, in once sentence

When I first hired at the begging of the year I paid upfront. Since then, continued that practice. Since the escort did not know me, I thought appropriate. Since this was an extended session, and I could have really ripped him off from his time, it just made sense. AND, if it's done at onset, neither one of has to be concerned about the economics. I also ask him to count his fee. Just want to make sure I didn't want to make a mistake.

[Frequentflier]

I have never and will never pay up front for one primary reason. If the encounter is a sting, paying up front just made it super easy for them. If a good looking (I don't meet with guys who aren't) officer wants to go through with the session and then try to make a case afterwards at least the video or details are going to be entertaining for the jury. I don't care if the escort if well reviewed or not. Even well reviewed escorts could come under pressure to help the authorities.

[TruHart1]

When I first hired at the begging of the year I paid upfront. Since then, continued that practice. Since the escort did not know me, I thought appropriate. Since this was an extended session, and I could have really ripped him off from his time, it just made sense. AND, if it's done at onset, neither one of has to be concerned about the economics. I also ask him to count his fee. Just want to make sure I didn't want to make a mistake.

 

I believe in this particular case you chose a supremely professional escort and ended up finding a man who is happy with doing whatever the client wants in regard to when his fee is tendered. Your logic in paying up front for an extended session is on point in this situation. From personal experience though, a professional such as this is just as at ease with waiting until the session is over to receive payment. Another matter about this level of professionalism is that he never "requires" the fee be paid upfront but is happy to accede to what is the most comfortable for the client. You did your homework before hiring and found one of the ultimate professionals around!

 

TruHart1

[SteveEscort]

I believe in this particular case you chose a supremely professional escort and ended up finding a man who is happy with doing whatever the client wants in regard to when his fee is tendered. Your logic in paying up front for an extended session is on point in this situation. From personal experience though, a professional such as this is just as at ease with waiting until the session is over to receive payment. Another matter about this level of professionalism is that he never "requires" the fee be paid upfront but is happy to accede to what is the most comfortable for the client. You did your homework before hiring and found one of the ultimate professionals around!

 

TruHart1

 

As the person who started this very popular thread, with many differing opinions, I still agree with you even though I made an issue about why escorts may ask for funds up front. On this occasion, the escort, like me, did not ask for the fee up front. Contrary to popular opinion following this post, I don't ask for monies up front. I trust everyone I see, unless they are some sort of redneck type, young chancer or cockney wideboy, then it's firmly in advance.

[Steven_Draker]

Food for thought... or maybe just a light snack:

If you pay your escort up front he can relax. If you don't, what do you suppose is going to weigh on his mind the entire time?

 

A great way to sum it up, in once sentence

 

A true professional, self-confident escort doesn't need to be paid in advance to "relax".

 

And contrary to what you think, Tyler, all escorts are not created equal:

 

some of us don't have "thoughts" weighing on our mind the entire time!

[Frequentflier]

As the person who started this very popular thread, with many differing opinions, I still agree with you even though I made an issue about why escorts may ask for funds up front. On this occasion, the escort, like me, did not ask for the fee up front. Contrary to popular opinion following this post, I don't ask for monies up front. I trust everyone I see, unless they are some sort of redneck type, young chancer or cockney wideboy, then it's firmly in advance.

 

I'm glad you're back Steve. If not for that I wouldn't have been able to look up "young chancer" or "cockney wideboy". I might be able to use young chancer in a conversation here but don't think that's possible with cockney wideboy. Do you have rednecks where you live as well? I sort of thought they were just in the our Confederate states. A note about those rednecks as well is to watch that they don't try to pay with confederate money - many are still fighting their war. Now if you want more rednecks, I'd be ok you taking the rest of ours (but no warranty - you can't return them)!!

[SteveEscort]

Oh we have rednecks as much as you have in the States, they're a universal delight. They types of rednecks we have in England tend to be the ones who pay with money they've obtained from selling scrap metal

[SteveEscort]

A true professional, self-confident escort doesn't need to be paid in advance to "relax".

 

And contrary to what you think, Tyler, all escorts are not created equal:

 

some of us don't have "thoughts" weighing on our mind the entire time![/color]

 

Tyler is only new here and maybe doesn't have the self confidence you have Steven when seeing a client, therefore, money may not be the only thing weighing heavily on his mind. Someone coming into this work at any age will have a lot of concern going through their mind like, money, timing, image, manners etc that doesn't make them any less professional than the likes of you or me who have been in this business for a hundred years. I still get very nervous when seeing new clients on long appointments. It's daunting travelling 200 miles to see someone on a Wednesday afternoon, even after the thousands of men I've seen in my lifetime.

 

Things like money, weighing on an escorts mind is not a sign of professionalism at all. It's an underlying concern because he's meeting someone for the first time and needs to form a bond and trust with them. A sign of professionalism is not to make issue, if it looks like the renumeration is not forthcoming until the end of the appointment.

 

I am glad you don't have thoughts weighing on your mind during appointments. Funnily enough, when I meet new guys, I have plenty of them.

[Steven_Draker]

As the person who started this very popular thread, with many differing opinions, I still agree with you even though I made an issue about why escorts may ask for funds up front. On this occasion, the escort, like me, did not ask for the fee up front. Contrary to popular opinion following this post, I don't ask for monies up front.

 

This thread is such a hoot!

 

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[bigvalboy]

I'm glad you're back Steve. If not for that I wouldn't have been able to look up "young chancer" or "cockney wideboy". I might be able to use young chancer in a conversation here but don't think that's possible with cockney wideboy. Do you have rednecks where you live as well? I sort of thought they were just in the our Confederate states. A note about those rednecks as well is to watch that they don't try to pay with confederate money - many are still fighting their war. Now if you want more rednecks, I'd be ok you taking the rest of ours (but no warranty - you can't return them)!!

 

Ha! FF, had to look up "young chancer" and "cockney wideboy" also. As for the "rednecks" well the Confederate flag is everywhere down here. Guys even have boats with the Confederate flag flying off the back. On the West coast it wouldn't have been tolerated, but here, well.....Some of this stuff you just have to "grin and bear it". Kind of strange to know they migrated SteveEscorts way.

[SteveEscort]

Well to be honest, they're not confederate ones like you have, no one really flies flags unless you're Scottish, but as England gave you a fair chunk of your population, I think you inherited the genes from these shores. I think we always had redneck types.

 

They're mighty fun I may add for a sleazy session. Nothing shocks those boys

 

They often have a long line of tattoos on their backs with the dates of birth of their children. I asked a friend about the phenomenon once and she said it's so they don't forget how many they have. Lol