Your cancelation rate these days???

[MiamiLooker]

I just want to say, don't be lead astray. You would be taken aback by some of the things I've heard from people, of what other escorts have come up with. I've heard stories of escorts asking their clients to contact other escorts, and then cancel in attempt to tie up their schedule. I even have my own documentation, of escorts being behind certain things. Check out this (anonymous) email from an escort who responded to a separate ad, when I was visiting his area:

 

Actually I've seen your ad on men4rentnow for a while, I actually got an ad running on there right now too... And I might get an appointment lined up so I could just use that cash for you... I usually top, but been looking for a guy with some fucking skills to use me good... But yeah, sucking you off too, or instead of, especially if you bust a huge wad, works too...

Some guys want like a boyfriend experience, but I just want to service your cock... Even get spit on and called dirty faggot --but that's about as kinky as I want... If it comes off natural ya know.. If not just use me as your cum dumpster fuck hole... Come in, do it, take off, easy...

Dunno though, maybe my appointment would want to get tag teamed?

 

Now...this same escort/client never ended up meeting me. He faffed around all night, meanwhile I was seeing another client while he was busy trying to mess me around. Not saying he didn't want to do all of that, but the fact that it didn't, loses all credibility with me. Now, this just so happens to be a escort who admitted he was an escort. It doesn't include the ones who don't.

 

If you never met him, how do you know he was telling you the truth about being an escort and having an ad on m4rn?

[JoeyBryant]

If you never met him, how do you know he was telling you the truth about being an escort and having an ad on m4rn?

 

Because, he directed me to his ad. He also sent me photos which were on his ads...and I just checked, his number he texted me on also matched up to his ad.

 

Again, not saying he wasn't wanting to do all that he was saying he was wanting, but it just goes to show. Had this guy never told me he was on men4rent, I'd of never known. That's why I'm telling Mikey, don't EVER put anything past these guys. I would not even doubt for a moment, that many of our cancellations are likely from other guys, or guys who know these guys. It could even be the guy, that knows the guy that the guy's guy knows (the boyfriend of the friend of the escort's boyfriend). Ya never know!

[Michael Wayne]

i hope everyone looks at my new thread on," CRAIGSLIST," because this type of dialouge is continued and the perspective is widened a bit.

[SteveEscort]

STEVE: u r very lucky ansd an exception to the rule. I've spoken to about 20 fello http://www.rentboy.com/magicmikey

 

If I ran at 50% cancellations I would be very very dismayed. Here in England I see on average 2 men a day. I do approximately 50 appointments a month. A good 70-80% of them are regulars and in a month maybe one or two book for say 5pm and get held up at work and don't make it. I see about 10 new guys a month that I've never seen before and they probably result from 30-50 enquiries. Old regulars drop off for various reasons and a couple of those 10 new guys may see me again in the near future. That's how my cycle has always worked.

 

As for craigslist, the craigslist thread is a a little heavy for me and doesn't apply to me in England where this work is completely legal. I do advertise there every day and get a couple of new guys a month off it but nothing more than that. Obviously sometimes I don't realise that guys have visited me from the advert but 2 or 3 a month will tell you where they seen the advert.

 

My biggest gain is TWITTER. Why are you guys not using it. It's indexed nicely on google and you make so many connections from it with potential clients. I see more guys in a month via my twitter presence than craigslist. Guys get a feel for your personality and you can integrate it into your website so guys who don't even use twitter can see your twitter updates. The sex industry is very much part of twitters future.

[Edward]

I have to travel long distances to most of my appointments. I have to book in advance to get good airline rates. However I have to cancel about a third of these. I always give at least three days notice.

[Michael Wayne]

your courtesy is appreciated Edward........... steve...again u r lucky!!!

[JoeyBryant]

I have to travel long distances to most of my appointments. I have to book in advance to get good airline rates. However I have to cancel about a third of these. I always give at least three days notice.

 

Well that's good, but my situation this week has been similar. 2 different guys supposedly traveling in, and their trips have been cancelled or flights cancelled, so they say...by text. 1 guy I met twice before, who also cancelled in the past.

 

It's gotten to the point this stuff here is just turning into shenanigans. Now, I was gone for 2 weeks in about 5 areas. I did not have issues with cancellations. I get home and already had 2. I understand stuff may have come up, but I told 1 guy, don't contact me again unless you're actually in your hotel room. All this contacting me 2-3 weeks in advance and then cancelling 2 days beforehand it's just asinine.

 

For one, I don't even like planning that far ahead unless a client has already deposited funds to me. Because I'm not trying to be holding up my travel plans, only for them to cancel. Clearly you can't foresee far enough in the future to be booking so far ahead, so better to save the frustration, and wait til you know for sure there's nothing either foreseeable or unknown that may interfere with the trip.

[JoeyBryant]

If I ran at 50% cancellations I would be very very dismayed. Here in England I see on average 2 men a day. I do approximately 50 appointments a month. A good 70-80% of them are regulars and in a month maybe one or two book for say 5pm and get held up at work and don't make it. I see about 10 new guys a month that I've never seen before and they probably result from 30-50 enquiries. Old regulars drop off for various reasons and a couple of those 10 new guys may see me again in the near future. That's how my cycle has always worked.

 

My biggest gain is TWITTER. Why are you guys not using it. It's indexed nicely on google and you make so many connections from it with potential clients. I see more guys in a month via my twitter presence than craigslist. Guys get a feel for your personality and you can integrate it into your website so guys who don't even use twitter can see your twitter updates. The sex industry is very much part of twitters future.

 

Although I find your 1st paragraph very hard to believe, especially if we're talking 50 guys who are PAYING every month. I just can't imagine even the best of the best seeing that many guys and not running a severe zinc deficiency at some point. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just doesn't sound realistic and I think you're fooling us. If it is true, I'm wasting precious moments of my life being in America.

 

However...I very much agree with your twitter idea. In fact, I signed up for twitter after reading your posts, and actually seen 1 of my reg clients in California on there, along with a photographer in Cali I also worked with. So it does seem to be a very valuable tool...and I will get up on it!

[SteveEscort]

Honestly I do not lie about how many appointments I get. I've been working as an escort for nearly 14 years and I do indeed see about 50 guys a month. Some months, like this month I'll probably see 35 because I've been to turkey for a week but yes, I see sometimes two guys a day, sometimes none, sometimes three. I've always been that busy. Most of my clients are regulars and if you follow me @stevegayescort you'll just see how popular I am over here. I accommodate nearly all of my clients at my home, I live near three major uk employers, who have headquarters within an mile or so of my home and I'm the local posh rent boy. I also travel to London and Europe for appointments. I'm in London Wednesday and Thursday for an overnight, seeing a very good client. I am available 7 days a week 10am to 10pm. This isn't my sole income but it's a smart chunk of it.

 

Why on earth would I fool any of you. I don't pick up clients via this forum because it's more USA-Centric. If you check out my blog you will see that I am quite active in the sex worker communities in England and I'm reasonably well known. I am sure there are hundreds of guys in England and the States who are way way busier than I am.

 

I've contributed this forum for a long time and don't like that I'm being accused of being a fraud. I've no reason to lie to any of you. What would I gain from it ? I have no desire to play "one up manship" with anyone because none of your lives or appointments have any bearing on what I do. I steer away from most posts on here because they have an American flavour to them and I don't know enough about how sex work, works, in Amercia to be able to contribute an informed opinion. In the UK Its completely legal to work in the sex industry and because clients don't have to fear about busts or prosecution either it makes for a much nicer environment to work in.

 

Once again and my final word on the matter, I don't lie about how many appointments I have, I've no need to.

[JoeyBryant]

Honestly I do not lie about how many appointments I get. I've been working as an escort for nearly 14 years and I do indeed see about 50 guys a month. Some months, like this month I'll probably see 35 because I've been to turkey for a week but yes, I see sometimes two guys a day, sometimes none, sometimes three. I've always been that busy. Most of my clients are regulars and if you follow me @stevegayescort you'll just see how popular I am over here. I accommodate nearly all of my clients at my home, I live near three major uk employers, who have headquarters within an mile or so of my home and I'm the local posh rent boy. I also travel to London and Europe for appointments. I'm in London Wednesday and Thursday for an overnight, seeing a very good client. I am available 7 days a week 10am to 10pm. This isn't my sole income but it's a smart chunk of it.

 

Why on earth would I fool any of you. I don't pick up clients via this forum because it's more USA-Centric. If you check out my blog you will see that I am quite active in the sex worker communities in England and I'm reasonably well known. I am sure there are hundreds of guys in England and the States who are way way busier than I am.

 

I've contributed this forum for a long time and don't like that I'm being accused of being a fraud. I've no reason to lie to any of you. What would I gain from it ? I have no desire to play "one up manship" with anyone because none of your lives or appointments have any bearing on what I do. I steer away from most posts on here because they have an American flavour to them and I don't know enough about how sex work, works, in Amercia to be able to contribute an informed opinion. In the UK Its completely legal to work in the sex industry and because clients don't have to fear about busts or prosecution either it makes for a much nicer environment to work in.

 

Once again and my final word on the matter, I don't lie about how many appointments I have, I've no need to.

 

N-n-n-n-no...I'm not accusing you of being a fraud at all. I was just simply saying it just seems unrealistic to see that many (50) a month, every month...especially with what I've read on other online forums of people who work in and around the UK. That the work there is not And I highly doubt that there are 'hundreds' of guys WAY busier than you are. Especially not here in the US. Not when you have these hookup apps, craigslist, adam4adam, and then add to it a still assed-out economy...that's only doing good on the housing, retail store, and legal marijuana level.

 

For one, not even every guy who makes a contact, gets around to booking. Just this week, I had 3 clients who I expected to see. 1 cancelled for Sunday, the other had travel delays yesterday, and I had 1 more traveler who was supposed to book me, also didn't make it on Friday. So, I'm just like fuck it, I'm going to go out and get hammered. But low and behold, out the blue this morning I get a call...but Saturday morning is my recovery day from Friday night bar-going, and I was too comatose to answer the phone.

 

There can at times, be no middle ground to this business. Either they are planning ahead and cancelling, or they are calling at the very last minute...and if you aren't available right then and there, you'll miss the train. Now, there is a city here in the US that I go to, where it's not unusual to see 2 clients a day. But even still, it wasn't everyday. I was there for a week, and I would get 2 clients a day, then nothing for a couple days, then another 2 clients a day, and then nothing again. I was getting plenty of calls, but they weren't all bookings either.

[Nvr2Thick]

Maybe I'm wrong, but it just doesn't sound realistic and I think you're fooling us.

 

N-n-n-n-no...I'm not accusing you of being a fraud at all.

 

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[cany10011]

Me too. I had a traveling escort cancel my 1 hour appointment as he had a new overnight appointment scheduled (i.e., he'd rather make more money overnight than honor a committment made prior to his new engagement). Last night, a guy i met on adam under the "pros" section forgot the appointment as he didn't have enough money to travel from brooklyn into chelsea. So there are flakes everywhere. I was brought up to honor my obligations and try to keep true to my word. The way i look at it, is that it is just sex and should not be taken too seriously. If someone flakes out, there will always be someone else to fill their shoes. So, i don't get worked up about it. I understand from an escort's point of view, it is a means of income lost, but from a client's point of view, there are so many other options out there.

 

 

 

If it's any consolation, as a client I've encountered this as well. I actually wondered after a while if I had been added to some black listed client website because it started happening to me so frequently. I contacted a guy in advance of a planned trip, had a few email exchanges, and even spoke with him the day before our appointment. Just prior to our appointment, I got an email from him that his schedule changed and he had no cancel with no mention of the potential to reschedule. At least he was more polite than a few other recent visitors. With one I exchanged a few emails, called him, set an appointment date and time, and gave him my address. I never heard from him again and he didn't show up. With another guy I schedule an appointment mid-morning for just a few hours later. I was supposed to meet him at his hotel, but I didn't have his room number which he supposedly was going to give me via phone as soon as he checked in. Not having heard back from him, I thought I would head in the direction of his hotel so I could meet him on time should he end up calling me, but despite my leaving a few messages before and after our scheduled time he never called me back.

 

I honestly don't know why an escort would do this since it seems like it would just be easier to only schedule appointments for "now" if you have trouble keeping commitments. At least then you wouldn't develop a list of disgruntled would-be clients, and I would much rather someone say, "Call me at noon tomorrow and if I'm available we can meet at 12:30 or 1:00" versus someone scheduling a specific appointment he cannot keep. I don't think I've ever done anything to piss off an escort or masseur I've hired, and when I've searched for my identifying information I haven't been able to find any trace of negative comments about me online. I have to assume that many people are just flaky and self-centered.

[JoeyBryant]

I understand from an escort's point of view, it is a means of income lost, but from a client's point of view, there are so many other options out there.

 

Thing is, if a person has that point of view, then they aren't a client. No more a client than the plethora of guys on craigslist (and adam) who claim there's 'too much free dick out there to pay for it'. The 'so many other options' claim, actually means, 'things they can resort to'...such as sketchy 'DL/Bi-curious' guys, porn, or the right hand/dildo.

 

I know, because when it comes down to finding the right 'option' to hookup with...it's a jungle out there. Even for me. And my friends too. Many a times I'll hookup with a guy just for the hell of it, and think later, "I would have had more fun with a client". At-least the client would spare me the bullshit like: "If my roommate wasn't coming home, we would totally spend the night together. And I'd invite you to happy hour, but it's just friends from work" or even worse, "call me tomorrow, and we'll fuck again and go up to the mountains together", and then when you do call, they act like they don't recognize the number, and then give some lame excuse about plans with their friends.

 

I'm just like, spare me the bullshit. I deal with it all day long, but at-least it's somewhat predictable. The promising non-sense some of these guys spew out is just re-dumbdumb.

[Nvr2Thick]

Thing is, if a person has that point of view, then they aren't a client. No more a client than the plethora of guys on craigslist (and adam) who claim there's 'too much free dick out there to pay for it'. The 'so many other options' claim, actually means, 'things they can resort to'...such as sketchy 'DL/Bi-curious' guys, porn, or the right hand/dildo.

 

I know, because when it comes down to finding the right 'option' to hookup with...it's a jungle out there. Even for me. And my friends too. Many a times I'll hookup with a guy just for the hell of it, and think later, "I would have had more fun with a client". At-least the client would spare me the bullshit like: "If my roommate wasn't coming home, we would totally spend the night together. And I'd invite you to happy hour, but it's just friends from work" or even worse, "call me tomorrow, and we'll fuck again and go up to the mountains together", and then when you do call, they act like they don't recognize the number, and then give some lame excuse about plans with their friends.

 

I'm just like, spare me the bullshit. I deal with it all day long, but at-least it's somewhat predictable. The promising non-sense some of these guys spew out is just re-dumbdumb.

 

Cany's right that it is just sex. From the client perspective a cancelation may be a let down, particularly if he leaves you with little time to schedule an alternative. Other than that it's not the end of the world. An escort that flakes is in the same class as my right hand and dildo, and a DL/Bi-curious guy is a step up. Once an escort introduces his "I had a better opportunity" into the mix he's destroyed a major component of the escort experience. At that point it's like finding out the store is out of Nilla Wafers.

 

If you're disappointed that a hookup doesn't lead to spending the night, drinks with his buddies, or a trip to the mountains it sounds like you're looking for love in all the wrong places. I'd hope that actual dating might lead to these things, but if you "hookup with a guy just for the hell of it" and then bum out because you didn't make a lasting connection you're missing the point of a hook up.

[Michael Wayne]

i have never cancelled on an hour client to do an overnight...... Chances are that hour client will see me twenty more times and the overnight is a ONE TIME THING (usually a visitor/tourist) I have actually had guys get MAD at me for not cancelling on a client to see them. They offer double the money or whatever....happens all the time. http://www.rentmen.com/mikeyusatop

[JoeyBryant]

If you're disappointed that a hookup doesn't lead to spending the night, drinks with his buddies, or a trip to the mountains it sounds like you're looking for love in all the wrong places. I'd hope that actual dating might lead to these things, but if you "hookup with a guy just for the hell of it" and then bum out because you didn't make a lasting connection you're missing the point of a hook up.

 

Never disappointed. Because, I'll get those activities 'upfront' before hooking up with them, if that's what I really want. I do get disappointed though if they hookup on the basis of offering more, but not actually going thru with it. Some guys will do all those things regardless, and still not actually live up to it. I usually suss them out though. I know when a guy is playing a front just to get laid.

 

I have actually had guys get MAD at me for not cancelling on a client to see them. They offer double the money or whatever....happens all the time. http://www.rentmen.com/mikeyusatop

 

 

I'm just at the point where I'm trying to figure out a few possible reasons for this cancellation nonsense. I don't know if it's just me....no, MEn4rent or are some guys really just getting dumber by the day? Or is it a case of guys taking me for granted because I've been in the area for awhile and it's time to move the hell on? I'm in one of those 'smaller/medium' markets...and it just seems like after awhile, you reach the pinnacle of success, and the start descending a steep downhill grade. I'm about to hang-glide my ass over to the next mountain.

 

I kid you not, but I spend more time going off on guys than actually meeting them. People have just been doing stupid stuff lately that's just in-comprehensible. I had to go off on 1 of my reg clients because he's texting me while I'm at the gym, asking if I'm in town.. Yes, I'm in town. He sounded like he wanted to set something up, but then gives me this bullshit ass excuse about his brother just calling him and "if I'm around later in the week". I told him, DUDE...FOR NOW ON, DO NOT CALL ME AND ASK ME IF I'M IN TOWN IF YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR TODAY. He does it all the time, but did it 1 time too many. I don't like feeling like a guy is checking up on me to see where I am for the hell of it.

 

Then, I had to go off on another guy tonight for emailing me late, claiming to be at a hotel in my town...for not following my instructions to CALL, CALL, CALL because he was asking to see me tonight, and it was already after 10 when he emailed me. I don't like making appointments by email when they are trying to see me in less than an hour. Then, 1.5 hour later, he's like, "sorry for the string of emails, how soon can you be to me? I'm fading fast". I told him, well if you CALLED me at 10:26 pm instead of emailing me, or atleast when I INSTRUCTED YOU to, I would have already been there. I'm not fucking dashing out my house at damn near midnight for a mother fucker that can't follow instructions.

 

How the fuck these mother fuckers expect a guy to be in the mood to fuck, when they make setting it up a fucking fiasco? I try to keep a positive attitude, do things professionally, and worst of all...make the best of a fucking shitty ass market. But it's either men4rent that's sending us these trash bags, or things really are fucked up. It's like common sense is out the window....they seem to believe the escort they just contacted is supposed to be able to make it clear across town to the airport that's a million miles from the center of town, in less than 30 minutes, when they decided to wait til the last minute to call. I'm just supposed to show up to their 4 star hotel in pajamas, bad breath, hair all over the place, and on an empty stomach. That's they type of escort they want. Trick, you better go to Colfax!

 

Someone give me a time machine either a thousand years from now, or at the very least, back in 2007 when things were better. This garbage is trash.

[MrMiniver]

I'm curious how often this happens and what your success is in collecting your "cancelation fee."

[SteveEscort]

I'm curious how often this happens and what your success is in collecting your "cancelation fee."

 

I know many guys seem to state a cancellation fee but in my experience, most clients wouldn't pay one unless they were genuine regulars and you were personally out of pocket from their cancellation. How on earth can you enforce a cancellation fee anyway.

 

I don't have a cancellation fee because it a nonsense. It can't be enforced in England where it's legal, never mind a country where prostitiution is illegal.