Aarons Stud of The day 20th July-Newest Reviews Page

[woodlawn]

>Hi,

>

>I just wanted to chime in and say that yes, Sega (like every

>other boy on my site) is 18 and has a documented ID.

 

I'm a little curious about the use of the word "documented" here. It reminds me a bit of the way so many escorts use the word "guaranteed" in their ads to imply that their promises are backed up by more than just their word. Does "documented ID" mean that the government agency that supposedly issued the ID has been contacted and has confirmed that the ID is genuine? Or does it mean only that Aaron has a copy of the ID -- in which case it means very little?

 

Flower, any thoughts?

[+ deej]

<<I'm a little curious about the use of the word "documented" here. >>

 

Nah. You're just trying to stir up shit as usual. :9

 

But I'll bet you're referring to compliance with the Federal Labeling and Record-Keeping Law (also known as 18 U.S.C. 2257), which is the standard pornographers are bound by. I'm betting Aaron is in compliance. He's too smart not to be.

 

That means he has photocopies of driver's licenses on file. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing says it's a valid driver's license. But even if it WAS validated by a state government, in most cases all it takes to get a DL is a birth certificate (and those pesky written and driving tests).

 

So the foundation of identity in the US, the driver's license, basically means you provided a certified piece of paper saying you were born.

 

I recently went through this myself. After 20 years without, I got a driver's license. DMV turned me away on the first visit because the birth certificate I've been using is hospital-issued, not government-issued. (I think the hospital is better equipped to certify what went on than the county clerk, but that's the requirement.) Once I'd supplied the birth certificate, which took ONE phone call, things sailed right along.

 

So there you have it. ALL proof of age/identity (and identity theft) is based on a birth certificate which you can acquire over the phone. In such a lax system, it's easy to cheat. Who is responsible when cheating happens? Ask the porn companies who frantically pulled product from retail shelves when actors were found to have used fake ID's. (Traci Lords in the str8 world, Jeff Browning in the gay world.)

 

Given that, how would you have Aaron verify age? Slice them in two and count the rings? :+

[bluenix]

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>Slice them in

>two and count the rings?

 

This dismemberment scenario is shocking! I almost hit the Alert button.

[woodlawn]

><<I'm a little curious about the use of the word "documented"

>here. >>

 

>Nah. You're just trying to stir up shit as usual.

 

And all the nasty insults you've directed at me and others here are for what purpose? To advance the cause of world peace? Sure they are. And since your own record is so pristine and unblemished, you're in an excellent position to lecture the rest of us on how to behave. We all know that.

 

>But I'll bet you're referring to compliance with the Federal

>Labeling and Record-Keeping Law (also known as 18 U.S.C.

>2257), which is the standard pornographers are bound by.

 

 

You lose the bet. I wasn't referring to any particular statute. But for the record, pornographers are bound by that statute only with respect to their activities in the United States. Should they produce or sell their products in other countries, the laws of those countries would apply. Even a cursory glance at Aaron's website (which is all the attention I've paid it) shows that his operations are international in scope. I do not suggest, however, that he hasn't complied with all applicable statutes.

 

I realize (who doesn't?) that lecturing people is one of your favorite pastimes, but in this case the lecture is misplaced. My interest is not in whether your friend is complying with federal or other laws but in whether his use of the word "documented" implies something more than what actually happened. If we assume that you're right, then the answer to that question is "Yes."

 

>So the foundation of identity in the US, the driver's license,

>basically means you provided a certified piece of paper saying

>you were born.

 

Not quite. You also have to provide a valid residence address. And to inform the state of any change in your address after the license is issued.

 

>I recently went through this myself. After 20 years without, I

 

Thanks for telling this fascinating story (even though no one asked).

 

>In such a lax system, it's easy to cheat. Who

>is responsible when cheating happens? Ask the porn companies

>who frantically pulled product from retail shelves when actors

>were found to have used fake ID's. (Traci Lords in the str8

>world, Jeff Browning in the gay world.)

>

>Given that, how would you have Aaron verify age? Slice them in

>two and count the rings?

 

Excuse me for pointing this out, but I think you've misunderstood the statute you mentioned above. Unless I'm mistaken, it provides a certain minimum requirement for verifying the age of the models. But it doesn't prohibit porn producers from requiring a much larger quantum of evidence than that, does it? It doesn't state that if a model produces a valid driver license then the producer is required to assume he's of age, right? The producer is free to demand additional proof of age before hiring a model, isn't he? School records, for example? You know, the kind of records a high school or college will require a new student to produce before admitting him as a student? Remember those?

 

 

Before I forget, Flower, I want to compliment you on a very imaginative post in this subthread. Peda File! Have you ever considered a career in advertising?

[Donnie]

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>It reminds me a bit of the way so many escorts use the

>word "guaranteed" in their ads to imply that their promises

>are backed up by more than just their word.

 

Hey stupid, got a dictionary? There are many ways to use guarantee, like: "To express or declare with conviction, as in I guarantee that you'll like this book" or "A pledge that something will be performed in a specified manner."

 

Glad I could help.

[LovesYng]

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DAMN, I can't believe this "BITCHING" has been going on since July. Can't some of you find something else to bitch about, GET A FUCKING "LIFE"

 

When in doubt I whip it out:+

[Guest YFSC]

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>First, he says on his site that he gets proof of age of all

>his models. If you read his Russian diaries, for example, he

>refers at times to seeing passports and identity cards, so

>he's done this properly.

 

I think you missed the point. I'm willing to assume that the kid really is a young-looking 18 and that Aaron has some kind of proof on file. He's been around long enough to know that he has to cover his ass with that (even if he doesn't cover it with anything else ). And it's fine if he says he has proof on his site.

 

But that's irrelevant to the issue here. The picture was on THIS site. And it didn't say anything or offer proof on THIS site. All it did was create the impression in the minds of people looking at THIS site that there was a picture of an underage kid -- in the minds of many or most of "us" but also in the minds of anyone else looking in with another agenda. And most people seeing the picture will not know and will not find out that Aaron claims on ANOTHER site to have proof of age.

 

This site doesn't need to raise red flags of that sort.

[Guest YFSC]

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>PS, The "Stud of the Day" function was so-named because it was

>short and easy to remember. I didn't want to use "boy of the

>day" becaues somo of my models are clearly in their late 20's

>and do not qualify as boys.

 

Maybe, but MOST of them do not qualify as "studs". And I'll bet that FAR MORE of them are not studs and fit the term "boy" than are "in their late 20's and do not qualify as boys." At least that's how it seems from those that have been appearing here. (Besides, escorts of almost any age are often referred to as "boys," "rentboys," and the like, and some decidedly non-boyish escorts even refer to themselves in their email addresses and elsewhere as "boy," "escortboy," "hot boy," etc.)

 

So in choosing a term you seem to have picked the one that is inappropriate for the vast majority because of the presence of a few exceptions.

 

>If anyone has a better phrase

>that can be written in the same amount of space I would be

>happy to change it.

 

How about "Boy of the Day"? It might not be "better," but it would be a lot more accurate.

[+ deej]

>You lose the bet. I wasn't referring to any particular

>statute.

 

OK, so you WERE just trying to stir up shit. ;-)

 

The rest of your post just proves it. How you equate proof of age with college admission is beyond me. Colleges DO take academically qualified youngsters, you know.

 

Doing porn has nothing to do with academic qualifications. How you've somehow twisted those two together is nothing short of remarkable.

[woodlawn]

>>You lose the bet. I wasn't referring to any particular

>>statute.

 

>OK, so you WERE just trying to stir up shit.

 

Deej! I'm shocked! Telling stupid lies like that is so unlike you!

 

>The rest of your post just proves it. How you equate proof of

>age with college admission is beyond me.

 

I'm sure a great many things are beyond you, but if you will think about it for a while you will probably realize that if a porn producer was very concerned about the possibility of hiring underage models he could require candidates to produce some evidence in addition to a driver license. Producing school records that jibe with the information on the license could greatly reduce the chances that the model is a ringer. I don't know why you want to give people the impression that there's nothing more a producer could do in this situation, but it clearly isn't true.

 

>Doing porn has nothing to do with academic qualifications. How

>you've somehow twisted those two together is nothing short of

>remarkable.

 

It's hard for me to believe you're so obtuse you really thought the above was the point I was making. Are you really willing to pretend you're stupid just to make a point in a trivial argument? I wouldn't have thought so.

[woodlawn]

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>Hey stupid, got a dictionary? There are many ways to use

>guarantee, like: "To express or declare with conviction, as in

>I guarantee that you'll like this book" or "A pledge

>that something will be performed in a specified manner."

 

 

By a strange, strange coincidence that is EXACTLY what Boston Guy said the last time this issue came up! How very odd that the two of you should respond in the same way and with the exact same words (except for the "stupid" part).

 

When "he" said it I pointed out to him that those other definitions "he" quoted aren't relevant to the way "guarantee" is used in a commercial advertisement. Which is what we're talking about, you stupid shit.

[Guest ncm2169]

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< I have a strict policy about not responding to my critics (8+ years of business on the internet has convinced me that it is futile to do otherwise)>

 

How convenient. ;-)

 

I'm sure it's also just a coincidence that responding might involve addressing the issue barebacking sex, which of course could interfere with your mendacity, not to mention expose how much you really give a shit about the health and welfare of an entire generation of young people. x(

[woodlawn]

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>DAMN, I can't believe this "BITCHING" has been going on since

>July. Can't some of you find something else to bitch about,

>GET A FUCKING "LIFE"

 

Thanks for the advice. Here's some for you: Why don't you shut the fuck up and stop telling the rest of us what we should and shouldn't talk about? Did anyone elect you to decide the appropriate topics of conversation here? Or is it just that you've never gotten over being picked as Hall Monitor in the third grade?

 

>When in doubt I whip it out

 

I'm sorry that no one else here has told you how truly stupid that tag line of yours makes you appear. If someone had, maybe you would have stopped posting it by now. My sense of civic duty compels me to mention it.

[+ deej]

>Deej! I'm shocked! Telling stupid lies like that is so

>unlike you!

 

It's not unlike me according to your previous post on this thread. Make up your fucking mind already!

 

>think about it for a while you will probably realize that if a

>porn producer was very concerned about the possibility of

>hiring underage models he could require candidates to produce

>some evidence in addition to a driver license.

 

You seem to be under the impression that porn performers are required to over-document job eligibility. They are not. Any fixation on that subject is yours and yours alone.

 

Porn performers will NEVER be asked for more verification than your average high school kid applying for a bag boy job at the corner grocery store. They are, after all, both applying for part time jobs that won't last long.

 

COULD employers dig deeper? Yeah. You've got a useless point there.

 

It isn't required so don't expect to see people spending money on it.

[+ deej]

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>Thanks for the advice. Here's some for you: Why don't you

>shut the fuck up and stop telling the rest of us what we

>should and shouldn't talk about? Did anyone elect you to

>decide the appropriate topics of conversation here? Or is it

>just that you've never gotten over being picked as Hall

>Monitor in the third grade?

 

ROFLMAO!

 

Woodie, you're cute when you revert to first grade insults. Stick with what you know, as I always say.

 

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[woodlawn]

>>Deej! I'm shocked! Telling stupid lies like that is so

>>unlike you!

 

>It's not unlike me according to your previous post on this

>thread. Make up your fucking mind already!

 

Is there a previous post in this thread in which I accuse you of telling stupid lies? Or are we simply seeing in your posts a real-life example of the dangers of taking Ecstasy?

 

>You seem to be under the impression that porn performers are

>required to over-document job eligibility.

 

My point, and it's one I will make as many times as necessary to get you to understand it, is that porn performers are required to present whatever documents a producer wants if they want that producer to hire them. Are you saying that's not correct? And my further point is that there's nothing to stop a producer from requiring more than simply a driver license. Again, do you challenge that? I really don't think you can.

 

 

> They are not. Any

>fixation on that subject is yours and yours alone.

 

Please don't lie. You started this argument not because you can challenge the truth of anything I've said here, which you clearly cannot, but because you like to harass posters whom you deem insufficiently "respectful" of escorts. You've done it before and you'll do it again. Surely you realize how obvious your behavior is.

 

 

>Porn performers will NEVER be asked for more verification than

>your average high school kid applying for a bag boy job at the

>corner grocery store. They are, after all, both applying for

>part time jobs that won't last long.

>

>COULD employers dig deeper? Yeah. You've got a useless point

>there.

 

 

On the contrary, I've made a point that's of real interest to anyone who is concerned about the use of underage kids as porn models. And in case you didn't notice, that is what this thread is about.

 

When a porn producer like Aaron claims he has "documented ID" on his models he isn't saying very much. But there IS more he could do to verify their age. If he wanted to. You seem really, really anxious for some reason to cast doubt on that, but there is no doubt about it. None whatsoever.

[Doug69]

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>< I have a strict policy about not responding to my critics

>(8+ years of business on the internet has convinced me that it

>is futile to do otherwise)>

>

>How convenient. ;-)

 

Why are you criticizing Aaron for not responding to his critics when you have made repeatedly clear that you have exactly the same policy? In the midst of your "recruitment" of young boys for "escorting" and then promoting their services on the Internet, you have repeatedly made clear that you won't respond to inquiries or criticisms of your behavior because "life is too short"

 

Why do you seek to deny Aaron the same right that you have arrogated unto yourself of choosing not to respond to criticisms?

 

>I'm sure it's also just a coincidence that responding might

>involve addressing the issue barebacking sex, which of course

>could interfere with your mendacity, not to mention expose how

>much you really give a shit about the health and welfare of an

>entire generation of young people.

 

I would say that exactly the same thing that you just wrote about Aaron's bareback videos appiles to you and your pimping activities. Is that why you won't respond to criticisms of your pimping activities?

 

Look at what we have here - another pimp of "young people" on a crusade to protect young people.

 

It's as if some playground drug dealer would join Mothers Against Drunk Driving - you wouldn't believe it unless you saw it.

[Doug69]

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>DAMN, I can't believe this "BITCHING" has been going on since

>July. Can't some of you find something else to bitch about,

>GET A FUCKING "LIFE"

 

In your most recent post in this forum (located in another thread), you complain bitterly about the profoundly trobuling global problem of escorts whose dicks smell like vagina juice. As a result of your concern with this phenomenon, you inform all of us that you will no longer hire escorts who have on wedding bands (notably, the fact that the escorts you hire have wives sitting at home apparently doesn't bother you at all; the problem for you is that their wives' vaginas make the escorts' dicks smell bad).

 

When you are telling everyone in this thread to stop discussing the subject of this thread and instead "GET A LIFE," do you think it would actually constitute an improvement for the participants in this discsusion to cease discussing this issue here and instead follow your example and talk about pussy smells on the cocks of escorts?

 

How can someone who spends time discussing pussy smells on the penises of escorts actually think they are in a position to tell others what to spend time discussing?

[Guest ncm2169]

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Lordy, Lordy, Lordy. LMFAO. :+

 

You really are a piece of work. Good thing I don't take you seriously and, judging from other posters' comments, few others do either.

 

Those here with brains (not to mention compassion) understand my comments about barebacking. Trying to change the subject won't work, so stop trying, or spend the rest of another day huffing and puffing -- I really could care less.

[Doug69]

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>Those here with brains (not to mention compassion) understand

>my comments about barebacking. Trying to change the subject

>won't work, so stop trying, or spend the rest of another day

>huffing and puffing -- I really could care less.

 

In other words, you refuse to respond to the criticism about your youth pimping activities (on the ground that you "really could care less") - exactly the same thing that Aaron does with regard to criticism of his videos.

 

When you refuse to respond to criticism, it's perfectly understandable and fine. Somehow, when Aaron refuses to respond to criticism, it's evil and reflective of his corrupt character.

 

Is there really any way that you can look at yourself in the mirror and not spew vomit everywhere?

[Guest ncm2169]

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< Yawns >

 

Like I said, keep right on huffing and puffing. Maybe, God willing, you'll expire before you bore anyone else.

 

The point, MORON, is, I'm not taking your bait. }(

 

Have a nice evening. :o

[Doug69]

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>Like I said, keep right on huffing and puffing. Maybe, God

>willing, you'll expire before you bore anyone else.

 

This is exactly what Aaron is saying to you.

 

>The point, MORON, is, I'm not taking your bait. }(

 

Check the posts you already wrote tonight. You already took it.

 

Every time you open your trap, you demonstrate conclusively that you are doing exactly that which you criticized Aaron for doing.

 

Now go back to pimping out your 18 year-old boys while you lecture everyone on how concerned you are for "the next generation," you Great Defender of Gay Youth.

[Guest ncm2169]

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Silence is the best remedy for your particular malady. ;-)

 

Bye - bye. :+

[Doug69]

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>Silence is the best remedy for your particular malady. ;-)

 

. . . said Aaron Lawrence and NTM - 2 peas in a pod.

[Guest ncm2169]

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OK, you want "the last word", so you can get off?

 

Pity that you have no other options. :*

 

So, have at it. I could give a fuck. You're a scumbag, for all here to see. I've now given you more of my attention than you deserve.

 

Unlike you, I have a life. }(