The Person behind the Escort

[DavidGartner]

Ok, I dont know if this will hurt my business but i think I MUST speak my mind to ALL for once and all. IM SURE all escorts will relate to me whether they wish to say it or not. For all Clients out there, that think i have attitude or what not, I am jus very upfront and bold and ESPECIALLY online it comes aross very strong, but i speak truth and not some bulshit talk you may want to hear or find more appeasing. I mean i dont MIND my job, honestly i may not be sexually turned on 24/7 but what do u expect, for US escorts or at least most of us, we have so much sex compared to any normal person that honestly it takes more than the average person im SURE to really get turned on. its not like we are fresh and jus having our first experience. So please dont think when we have you as a client its something we are incredible turned on about. You know what i say tho, I always think and tell my clients that I LOVE conversing with them, they have such interesting career's , have led very interesting lives, share funny and scary escort stories which I enjoy. I DO NOT want to escort for the rest of my life, but where can u get 200 in an hour, there comes a point where u have to give it up, or you will become too immune to the simple gifts a boy of ur heart could offer, and u cant loose that, you cant loose yourself. To the Clients who think im mean or whatever, i only aspire to be you, I aspire to have a job and make enough money to afford an escort. WE as escorts WANT to become you in the fact that you have successful careers and lives. But we forget as escorts what it takes to get there, you have to go through schooling, and long years of promotion through work or hard work to make your business successful and i think that escorts and myself need to keep in check the hard work i have ahead after escorting, schooling and my finally my final career. To be like you the client able to be succesful and hire such a pricey service. I love my job in the fact that i learn so much from each individual they offer so much knowledge that i love to learn and hopefully share with others when i get older. I try my best to my job right, and to treat all clients with the very sweet respect they treat me. They are always fun and i love to cuddle with them casue i know thats what the desire and i love cuddling with them becasue i know they jus wanna feel love like every other person. Im glad young gay youth are making strong efforts for us in todays society as it makes it easier for young gays to come out and be loved by their parents, family and friends. I kinda get the feeling for our clients that this wasnt so easy, and they were always accepted in life, and sometimes i jus wanna hold them to maybe bring back some of the love they lost. I escort in the hopes of saving money and providing a future for myself so i myself may be able to help the young gay youth and to let them know that they are always loved and respected by the older gay generation for the progress they make in acceptance of gay people. So as you a client jus please respect my job and the reality of escorting. Thank you, I will not comment to critiques you may have as this is my voiced opinion. thank with love David Gartner xo

[DavidGartner]

Also to anyone reading this, if you have any positive comments Id love to hear them.

[LovesYng]

GOOD LUCK

 

When in doubt I whip it out:+

[DavidGartner]

"When in doubt I whip it out"

 

whats that suppose to mean?

[Flower]

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] David, that was a nice letter and sounds heartfelt. It showed a different side of you than I've seen before and I'm glad you wrote it. Take from the message board comments only what can be helpful to you, but don't let any negative comments, including my own, get you down. You sound like a nice person and I wish you well.

[Flower]

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] Not sure what happened there, but this was the message I tried to post

 

David, that was a nice letter and sounds heartfelt. It showed a different side of you than I've seen before and I'm glad you wrote it. Take from the message board comments only what can be helpful to you, but don't let any negative comments, get you down. You sound like a nice person and I wish you well.

[Guest gentle guy]

I agree with Flower, David. That was an interesting and sincere post that shows your warm and caring side. People here have discussed before that clients (and escorts) tend to fall into two camps: the "it's mostly about sex" guys, and the "it's mostly about companionship" guys. Note the word "mostly" ;-) If I read your post and your website correctly, you are more comfortable with the latter group, the guys who enjoy companionship and affection and personality. More power to you!

 

Good luck, and don't be afraid to show this aspect of your personality from time to time. You're more than a cute face!

[Uncle Bill]

Hey, David. I enjoyed reading your post. Yes, some responses will no doubt be negative, but you were obviously sharing something that you have been thinking about a lot, and there's nothing wrong with that. Your comments will probably make some of us more likely to hire you than before, while the negative comments will probably come from those who wouldn't have hired you anyway. Enjoy yourself, make the money, and pursue your personal objectives.

[Rick Munroe]

David, please speak for yourself. You keep referring to "we escorts" and "our clients" as if we're all clones:

 

>for US escorts or at least most

>of us, we have so much sex compared to any normal person that

>honestly it takes more than the average person im SURE to

>really get turned on.

 

That may be true for you but for most successful escorts, what makes us successful is that we do get turned on by many different types of guys. In my case, an "average" or regular guy is what gets me hot; I am not into perfection & I don't need that to get me excited. Also, I probably have less sex than some of my clients or some of my friends who are constantly prowling for cock-n-ass online or at bars or at the gym. And as a rule, I never do more than one job a day (if even).

 

>please dont think when we have you

>as a client its something we are incredible turned on about.

 

Again, speak for yourself. This is your experience but it isn't mine. I'm very much turned on by the majority of guys that I see.

 

>WE as escorts WANT to become you in the fact that you

>have successful careers and lives.

 

Some of us already have successful careers as escorts, or perhaps escorting is a sideline to another profession. And not all clients have 'fabulous' lives or jobs that they love. Personally, I don't want to become anyone else. I'm happy being Rick the Dumb Whore and I couldn't be any more successful than in my marriage to Derek.

 

>But we forget as escorts

>what it takes to get there, you have to go through schooling,

 

Many of us have already gotten degrees and have decided to make escorting our careers, whether temporarily or for the long-term.

 

>i think that escorts and myself

>need to keep in check the hard work i have ahead

 

Yes, we'll all keep your hard work in check. (sorry, couldn't resist)

 

>To be

>like you the client able to be succesful and hire such a

>pricey service.

 

I think there's another thread somewhere (in "Ask an Escort"?) that addresses the fact that successful profesional escorts do hire other escorts (I never have but hiring just isn't my thang). So, you don't have to be like anyone else but yourself if you want to hire.

 

>I kinda get the feeling for our

>clients that this wasnt so easy, and they were(n't) always accepted

>in life, and sometimes i jus wanna hold them to maybe bring

>back some of the love they lost.

 

That's very sweet but again you say "our clients" but that doesn't speak for all clients. It's a stereotype that guys hire because they're lonely, unloved, unattractive, unaccepted, closeted...everyone and anyone can & does hire escorts for many reasons. Usually, they're just horny. At least, that's my impression. And my ass's impression. And my dick's impression. }(

[VaHawk]

>For all Clients out there, that think i have attitude or what

>not, I am jus very upfront and bold and ESPECIALLY online it

>comes aross very strong, but i speak truth and not some

>bulshit talk you may want to hear or find more appeasing.

 

Well, this is one client who would rather have you honestly speak what is on your mind and be totally upfront and honest about what you are able and willing to do and with whom. I believe that is the same way I have been my whole life and yes, I've had some rough moments as a result in my professional career. I for one just can't stand bullshit and dishonesty.

 

>So please dont think when we have you

>as a client its something we are incredible turned on about.

 

Well, I believe most clients are realistic enough to know that this is the truth. Any client who would believe otherwise, is probably one you should avoid.

 

>You know what i say tho, I always think and tell my clients

>that I LOVE conversing with them, they have such interesting

>career's , have led very interesting lives, share funny and

>scary escort stories which I enjoy.

 

You sound like someone who would be good company! A lot of clients like an escort who converses and is fun and interesting to be with other than just sexually. IMO, there is a market segment out there that you probably aren't tapping into, if you are interested/able to pursue it. Never sell yourself short, man, as your interest in your clients lives and stories is an asset that not all escorts are capable of or interested in pursuing.

 

>I DO NOT want to escort

>for the rest of my life, but where can u get 200 in an hour,

>there comes a point where u have to give it up, or you will

>become too immune to the simple gifts a boy of ur heart could

>offer, and u cant loose that, you cant loose yourself.

 

No amount of money is worth losing your happiness or soul. Doing something you love to do, even for less money, is much more rewarding, imo, and will probably bring you greater happiness in the long run. But I realize the money is good, and that sometimes all of us do things we don't enjoy that much in order to get the funds to pursue something we really want to do. You sound like a nice young man, so be nice to yourself and quit when you know it is time to quit, regardless if you have all the funds you wanted to accumulate first.

 

>I love my job in the fact that i learn so much

>from each individual they offer so much knowledge that i love

>to learn and hopefully share with others when i get older. I

>try my best to my job right, and to treat all clients with the

>very sweet respect they treat me. They are always fun and i

>love to cuddle with them casue i know thats what the desire

>and i love cuddling with them becasue i know they jus wanna

>feel love like every other person.

 

My only quibble with this is that just because we are clients, it doesn't mean we don't have love in our lives. I don't know you, but what you state is an admirable goal, and if you aren't quite yet doing your "job" right, then keep trying and don't let any negatives get you down, because you definitely have the RIGHT ATTITUDE, which is the true starting point to being one of the best.

 

I apologize for repeating your words in quotes, but I couldn't remember them all without having them in front of me. I think your post was honest and sincere and imo, gained you a lot of respect and good will and took chutzpah on your part. I hope I didn't come across as sermonizing, as that wasn't my intent, just voicing my honest feelings. Best of everything. I like your attitude!

[BuckyXTC]

David:

 

I admit some of your earlier posts left me feeling uncomfortable with what I perceived to be narcissism on your part. I'm also glad that you posted this extended contribution; it certainly makes me feel better about you as a person.

 

Rick's sage advice about the perils of using the collective "we" when speaking of escorting is something worth taking to heart.

 

I found this latest post honest and open, and that's always something to be appreciated. Your taking interest in the clientele beyond the sexual is definitely something I look for in hiring, as I imagine it is for lots of other clients.

 

Good luck and best wishes. Thanks again for sharing.

[Guest JustStarting]

This topic has been repeatedly discussed on this site in various forms. Often the responses have become quite heated; personal vendettas have taken over from reason.

 

This may well be one situation where competing theories may both be right—because different clients and different escorts bring so many different hopes, feelings and dreams to the encounter.

 

Rick Munroe seems to me almost unique. I believe him when he says that he thoroughly enjoys most every client, that he does not expect or want each client to have a porn-star physique, and that he has found a wonderful marriage with a wonderful friend, co-worker and lover. How jealous I am of him. I suspect many others on this site are too. But he’s not the usual escort.

 

As a “newbie” to this whole field (I’ve only been with three escorts and have really gotten to know only one rather well). I will admit up front my thoughts here are incomplete and changing. From my first hour with my first escort, he told me of his determination and desire to retire “some time soon.” Well it’s been a year now, and he still hasn’t retired. I do notice, however, that he hasn’t been reviewed as often as before, and I wonder if his clients sense, as I have, that he really wants to get out of the escort business. The problem is, I think, that some escorts are trapped: there’s nothing they can do to make so much money so easily. No I know, it’s not Bill Gates’ level salary and I know, it’s not so easy. But you know what I mean: a twenty-something year old, with no college education can make several hundred + dollars/day with really not a lot of difficulty. Yes there’re risks of nut job/dangerous clients/disease and so on. Nonetheless, the trap is there and it’s real.

 

As I read HooBoy’s “emale” postings, it seems to me very often after three or four years, many escorts drop out of the business. Why is that?

 

For some, they’ve completed their education and are able to get out of the trap. Others, I suppose, have found a sugar-daddy. A few, I’m afraid, have succumbed to the trap of drugs and disease. A few have found a long term relationship. Most, I suspect, just get worn out. Escorting is not just a physical act: for both the client and the escort, there is an emotional high, but also an emotional cost to the experience.

 

David who started this thread seems to be struggling with the same issues clients and most escorts struggle with: clients dream the escort will be so enthralled with the hour that the escort will refund the money and move in the next morning; escorts dream the client will be so enthralled as to double the payment and walk out the door. Clients want great, cheap (free) sex, and a fulfillment of fantasies; escorts want easy money and respect. Sometimes it works, for a while, but in the end, I suspect, both will be disappointed.

 

OK now I’ll step back and let the hoards cut me to shreds.

[LovesYng]

>OK now I’ll step back and let the hoards cut me to shreds.

>

 

Well JustStarting speaking for myself I'm not going to start cutting you to shreads. As a client who does hire a lot of escorts I really enjoyed in what you said and a lot makes sense to me. In reading what you said I have seen me in some of those feelings with escorts. Also had a few escorts I been seeing for years starting to feel the same way and to the point where I had to put the breaks on and it hurt both ways. Now I watch were I'm stepping.

 

When in doubt I whip it out:+

[Guest Ant415]

I think Rick's comments are very good, especially considering his time in service. It is never safe to use all-encompassing words such as "we".

 

I don't think anyone can be turned on, or highly sexual 24x7. There are times that I would rather go to sleep or take a beauty bath than have sex, since I do not take calls from cleints looking for sex, I am able to go to sleep.

 

The money you earn is quite good, thus you should give a great service. If the number of recent sexual encounters precludes you from giving 100%, you should consider limiting the calls you take. While this may result in less cash for you, it is not fair to the next client.

 

As mentioned above, not all clients are unloved, ugly, or lonely. Some hire escorts for an extra thrill, without strings, and at terms we can easily control (time/place/looks/age).

 

It is great that you speak your mind, even if less than kind words are included. In that same vain, you should also be open to positive and negative comments.

[Rick Munroe]

>I think Rick's comments are very good, especially considering

>his time in service.

 

Hey, it's only been 3 years, not 30! But thanks.

[Guest Utopia]

David as one of those clients you seek to learn from here is my first suggestion to you. Find a client who teaches at a local middle school and ask him what a paragraph is.

 

Personally I hire an escort to escape from my daily life. The last thing I care about is the escort's personal issues. I have plenty of friends with personal issues so I don't need to pay you 200. per hour knowing how I completely turn you off, apparently need your love, does my profession meet your personal needs, and that you have had so many clients that day I keep thinking am I number 4 or 22?

 

Part of the charm in hiring an escort is the fantasy of feeling wanted, feeling like I might be exciting some hot guy ... escorts should not be quite so honest. If they can't at least pretend well maybe this is the wrong business for them to be involved with. Even on a temporary basis.

 

As others mentioned Rick's comments are well balanced and worth considering.

[taylorky]

>David as one of those clients you seek to learn from here is

>my first suggestion to you. Find a client who teaches at a

>local middle school and ask him what a paragraph is.

>

 

 

 

damn why do some of you find it so necessary to criticize peoples writing style?

 

makes no sense to be such a jerk...........taylorky@02:24-05/06/03

[Guest Utopia]

>>David as one of those clients you seek to learn from here

>is

>>my first suggestion to you. Find a client who teaches at a

>>local middle school and ask him what a paragraph is.

>>

>

>

>

>damn why do some of you find it so necessary to criticize

>peoples writing style?

>

>makes no sense to be such a

>jerk...........taylorky@02:24-05/06/03

 

Does it make you feel better now that you've taken the time to reply to two sentences in an entire post? If so I'm pleased I was able to satisfy you. I'll continue to try my best to do so.

[DavidGartner]

dude, honestly if u dont have anything to say, dont say anything at all. and uhh typing if u havent noticed is never gramatically correct it is todays change in society with internet chatting and short form phrases and words. and u know i never asked u to voice a negative opinion if u didnt read that, oh yea, ask ur 1st grade teacher what the sentence positive feedback only

[Guest Utopia]

>ask ur 1st grade teacher what the sentence

>positive feedback only

 

David nice of you not to respond. Though since you obviously have why do you feel you can post anything here without return comment? Because you're an escort do you have some special right wherein no one can reply unless their reply meets your approval?

 

BTW: I read my original post again and I'm positve I meant everything in it.

 

Enjoy!

[Bilbo]

Perhaps he meant that with your carefully cultivated "dumb whore" routine, it's amazing to some people how you noticed all of that in only three years and some odd months? I've been very happily, though not exclusively, in the business for some 16 years, stretching back off and on to 1973 and I must say that I agree with your post on this thread. I also agree that those who feel "trapped" into this career need to get out of it. Same as with any other career.

 

And, as with any other career, there will be those who forget to take an intentional weekend, or at least one day, off each week as soon as they start feeling burnout. "I'm sorry, Tuesdays and Wednesdays are my days off. Can I make an appointment with you for another day?" Those who don't respect us anyway might chew us out, but those who do respect us might respect us more, eh?

[Bilbo]

Writing is about communication, not masturbation. Utopia has a point. I had a lot of trouble reading your original post and practically stopped reading it more than once simply because of your writing style. I know that I skipped sections of it simply because it seemed to be rambling and unorganized. It wouldn't have felt that way so much if you had broken it down into paragraphs.

 

And let me assure you that Utopia and I are not the only ones. At least you got our ears. As usual, if there were a way to measure it, you would find that we are the "tip of the iceberg" and that there are nine times as many people (2 X 9 = 18) who you either confused or turned off completely so that they didn't finish your post or didn't even start reading it.

 

So, if your goal is to get people to listen to you, make it easier for them, please?

[+ Axiom2001]

Since I have engaged the services of escorts- I have ALWAYS viewed them as individuals with more than "hot" looks-- sexual prowess-- or men with huge cocks! In my reviews of the men I've seen, I've noted that I like men who are holistic, for I view them that way.

 

Thanks, David (I hope I got your name correct!)

[Rick Munroe]

>I like men who are holistic

 

Is a holistic man one who likes to get his hole licked? Hey, look at me...I'm holistic.

[axebahia]

My own take on this is that most succesful escorts are much better than most clients at liberating themselves from the tyrany of believing that sex and emotional intimacy, or sex and physical attributes are essential. For example, it seems to me that succesful escorts who are size queens might really get off on meeting a client with a huge dick who they might not actually sleep with otherwise because of social conventions about emotional intimacy and/or physical attributes. I think the same holds true for spanking, kissing etc. I think that's what makes some escort-client encounters work well for both parties when they do work well together.