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[Francois]

So I just put my first rentboy ad up about 12 hours ago and have already received two calls. The problem is I have no idea what to say besides Hello How are you on the phone.

 

Fellow Escorts, How do you make sure that the first phone conversation isnt awkward, and also to explain the situation without potentially legally incriminating yourself?

 

First guy kept asking What I would do for XX amount of money and I told him to refer to my ad.

 

The Second one kept asking for Dick pics and I referred him to my rentboy, after which he complained it wasnt visible.

[rguer]

Rentboy seems to be down. Perhaps they are in an area that lost power, and don't have a backup site?

[Francois]

This was before Rentboy officially went down.

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Cart Before the H. . . .

 

So I just put my first rentboy ad up about 12 hours ago and have already received two calls. The problem is I have no idea what to say besides Hello How are you on the phone.

 

Fellow Escorts, How do you make sure that the first phone conversation isnt awkward, and also to explain the situation without potentially legally incriminating yourself?

 

First guy kept asking What I would do for XX amount of money and I told him to refer to my ad.

 

The Second one kept asking for Dick pics and I referred him to my rentboy, after which he complained it wasnt visible.

 

Perhaps these and maybe many others - are things to be considered before posting an ad offering your services?

 

Every business needs a plan -- Ask the folks at Goldman-Sachs. Best to you!

[+ Travis69]

One escort I know hired another escort for a hour and used the time to ask him all about the business before he started. I am sure not everything was covered but he got a general sense of what to do. If this is not possible, I think the general rule is don't associate $$ with sexual acts. Just repeat "$$ is for time". Perhaps have a friend play the client role and go over several scenarios and let him give you feedback. Even when you think you have an answer for everything someone will ask you something you are not prepared for. Go with your gut. If you don't feel comfortable answering something just say so. You can't please everyone on the phone or in the bed.

[JoeyBryant]

Fellow Escorts, How do you make sure that the first phone conversation isnt awkward, and also to explain the situation without potentially legally incriminating yourself?

 

First guy kept asking What I would do for XX amount of money and I told him to refer to my ad.

 

The Second one kept asking for Dick pics and I referred him to my rentboy, after which he complained it wasnt visible.

 

The most important thing is to not think every phone call is law enforcement. I don't know much about Atlanta (except it's a saturated market), but you're more likely to get a real client or a time-wasting fantasist than a cop. You can ask some things over the phone as you want to show up knowing what to expect. Me personally, I'm annoyed when a client is so concerned about me being a cop (despite nude and face pics on a public website) that they say something like they want just a massage or they are just "looking to play around" and then have no idea what I'm getting into.

 

However, in the case of the 2 calls you received, they sound like they're just BSing. Never send someone dick pics over the phone or email for that matter. File under not serious.

 

Otherwise just focus on the basics. Where they are located. What time they want to book, are they top or bottom. This would also be helpful for clients when they call or email us. Sending me an email on men4rent with just an email address and location tells me nothing

[Francois]

The most important thing is to not think every phone call is law enforcement. I don't know much about Atlanta (except it's a saturated market), but you're more likely to get a real client or a time-wasting fantasist than a cop. You can ask some things over the phone as you want to show up knowing what to expect. Me personally, I'm annoyed when a client is so concerned about me being a cop (despite nude and face pics on a public website) that they say something like they want just a massage or they are just "looking to play around" and then have no idea what I'm getting into.

 

However, in the case of the 2 calls you received, they sound like they're just BSing. Never send someone dick pics over the phone or email for that matter. File under not serious.

 

Otherwise just focus on the basics. Where they are located. What time they want to book, are they top or bottom. This would also be helpful for clients when they call or email us. Sending me an email on men4rent with just an email address and location tells me nothing

 

I didnt send any pics. My thought process was, well I have some xrated pictures, blurry though, on rentboy, so if you really want to see you'd book an appointment. Atleast to me.

 

Another question I do have is how to get scheduling controlled. The calls Ive received so far are potential clients that want me at their door in 10 minutes. Im saving up for a car, thank god Atlanta has decent transit. I'd like to have several hours notice if that makes sense.

[SteveEscort]

Which states is it illegal in ?? These discussions have me baffled sometimes (I don't mean that in a bad sense). Prostitution isn't illegal in England and so I can say whatever I want on the phone to whomever (as long as they're over 16). It's a long time any action has been taken against any sex workers over here unless they're illegal immigrants, working from a house with 2-3 others (a brothel) or causing a disturbance or nuisance to their neighbours.

[+ Travis69]

Another question I do have is how to get scheduling controlled. The calls Ive received so far are potential clients that want me at their door in 10 minutes. Im saving up for a car, thank god Atlanta has decent transit. I'd like to have several hours notice if that makes sense.

 

I think you'll find most will want you there ASAP!! Unfortunately this is something that you may not have too much control over. How are you getting to appointments now? Bus, subway, cab? For some clients waiting too long for you to get there will be a problem and you will lose the appointment. Spending a few extra bucks on a cab and getting there sooner will be worth it to you.

[+ honcho]

I have the very strong impression that prostitution is only legal in a a couple of counties in the state of nevada.

It would therefore be illegal in every other locality in the US. (And even in those counties in Nevada only

legal between opposite sex providers and clients).

 

It pleases me to find that Britain is more reasonably minded about prostitution than the US, although I was quite

disheartened to learn of the spanner case in which consenting adults were convicted of assault and faced prison

time despite having consented to SM sex.

[SteveEscort]

That was over 25 years ago

 

A lot has changed since then

[JoeyBryant]

The calls Ive received so far are potential clients that want me at their door in 10 minutes. Im saving up for a car, thank god Atlanta has decent transit. I'd like to have several hours notice if that makes sense.

 

Unfortunently, some cities have a higher number of disrespectful, inconsiderate, schedule-challenged clients who think hiring an escort is akin to ordering pizza delivery (include Dallas with that list). Hot and Ready. And they can't, life just doesn't work that way (-Mimi, Love and Hip Hop Atlanta)

 

I would let them know flat out that I can't be to them in less than an hour. Even with a car, 10 minutes is still unreasonable for most people. The only exception is if I'm walking out of a bar at 2 am and my phone rings. Then they'll get lucky, as I'll likely be in downtown.

 

Unfortunently, in a place like Atlanta, several hours notice isn't always realistic when guys are probably all available with green light on at the same time. I know places where clients will wait 2 weeks for me, other places 2 seconds. If getting to places on time is an issue, you may need to mention that in your ad...and also sell yourself in a way that doesn't attract brainless horny men who are just operating in the moment. Rather, attract the guy flying in for a conference or on business for a few days.

[+ Travis69]

Asking for 2 hours advance notice gives them 2 hours to decide not to do it or find someone else who can accomodate their schedule. Sometimes a little running for an appontment pays off.

[rvwnsd]

I didnt send any pics. My thought process was, well I have some xrated pictures, blurry though, on rentboy, so if you really want to see you'd book an appointment. Atleast to me.

 

Another question I do have is how to get scheduling controlled. The calls Ive received so far are potential clients that want me at their door in 10 minutes. Im saving up for a car, thank god Atlanta has decent transit. I'd like to have several hours notice if that makes sense.

 

You might want to post some non-blurry pics on your Rentboy ad once the site is back up. That said, pic collectors will ask for pics regardless of the clarity of the ones in your ad.

 

If you want advance notice, then specify that in your ad. From this client's perspective, less than two hours advance notice is unrealistic. Even if you have a car, by the time you shower, get to the car, navigate traffic, locate parking, and get to the client's house two hours will have elapsed. I suppose you could make it in a half hour if you lived in a guy's neighborhood, but how likely is that to happen?

[seeker630]

If you want advance notice, then specify that in your ad. From this client's perspective, less than two hours advance notice is unrealistic. Even if you have a car, by the time you shower, get to the car, navigate traffic, locate parking, and get to the client's house two hours will have elapsed. I suppose you could make it in a half hour if you lived in a guy's neighborhood, but how likely is that to happen?

 

I had the same thought.

[SteveEscort]

I had the same thought.

 

I ask for an hours notice for local appointments, 6pm call for 7pm arrival for an outcall. I am nearly always there for 6.50pm and drive discreetly past the house, if it's a home visit, park up half a mile away and go back for the agreed time. If he asks for asap I will still ask for an hour but if I am there early I will text or call him and give him the option of seeing me 10 minutes early. If it's over 30 miles away I need 1.5 hours. 30 miles takes about 40 minutes, plus I need a shower first, no matter how many times I have showered that day, check my outcall bag is suitably equipped and find the place.

 

I don't offer 1 hour outcalls during rush hour to Newcastle City Centre hotels which is 4pm-7pm but sometimes will park at a metro station (we have our own subway system like the London Underground and NY Subway) and get a train in as they run every 5-6 minutes.

 

I try to be as quick as humanly possible without rushing, forgetting things or getting a ticket for breaking the speed limit.

[Xander]

Hey Francois - a good (black) friend of mine tried escorting and in a month he had 1 fake client (no show) 1 real client and about 15 time-wasting phone calls. I'm not sure if it had to do with his race, but i would recommend you try to learn early on who the time wasters are and simply refer them to your ad (like you did). If someone asks me to send/email them pictures I generally stop the conversation (My pictures and link to more pictures are found wherever my contact info is)

[SteveEscort]

Good advice. Even now after all the years I've been working... Guys who want pics sent to them rarely book

[JoeyBryant]

Hey Francois - a good (black) friend of mine tried escorting and in a month he had 1 fake client (no show) 1 real client and about 15 time-wasting phone calls. I'm not sure if it had to do with his race, but i would recommend you try to learn early on who the time wasters are and simply refer them to your ad (like you did). If someone asks me to send/email them pictures I generally stop the conversation (My pictures and link to more pictures are found wherever my contact info is)

 

You're not sure if it had to do with his race? I already said what it is. Atlanta is a saturated market, saturated with minorities. When I visited over 3 years ago, there were new guys popping up before I got there, while I was there, and after I left. That's too much for any Dirty South-American city (get it?).

 

Then, I can imagine with so many new providers constantly appearing, the lack of quality and service would be questionable...which over time drives away the good clients. And if it's happening so quickly and there's no diversity...someone who actually does have something to offer may not get noticed because the market is being bombarded with new comers. Some places can handle that, most of them can't. And when it's being bombarded by minorities, a niche...that niche gets over-fulfilled.

 

Of course,it needn't be just minorities. Take Dallas for example. Back when I stared in 2008, rentboy consistently had 20 guys MAX for a long time. I got clients effortlessly for the first couple months. High paying ones. I wasn't even muscular back then. No reviews. From Thursday-Sunday I knew that phone was going to ring.

 

Now look what it's become. Long-time Client of mine emails me the other day saying it's up to 58. He hired one. AWFUL, he says. This is what's happening to markets across the country. Not only are they being inudated, they are being inudated by guys who shouldn't even be in the business to begin with. So what's happening to clients? They are on Grindr. Adam4adam. Scruff. The bathhouse. Craigslist....Looking to get it for free. not where we want them to be...men4rent and rentboy.

 

Of course that's not the sole reason, but it's a contributing factor. Gay sex is so easy to find nowadays...so we have to do more and more to make ourselves stand out and show there is an experience to be had, not a regret; in hiring.

[Francois]

You're not sure if it had to do with his race? I already said what it is. Atlanta is a saturated market, saturated with minorities. When I visited over 3 years ago, there were new guys popping up before I got there, while I was there, and after I left. That's too much for any Dirty South-American city (get it?).

 

Then, I can imagine with so many new providers constantly appearing, the lack of quality and service would be questionable...which over time drives away the good clients. And if it's happening so quickly and there's no diversity...someone who actually does have something to offer may not get noticed because the market is being bombarded with new comers. Some places can handle that, most of them can't. And when it's being bombarded by minorities, a niche...that niche gets over-fulfilled.

 

Of course,it needn't be just minorities. Take Dallas for example. Back when I stared in 2008, rentboy consistently had 20 guys MAX for a long time. I got clients effortlessly for the first couple months. High paying ones. I wasn't even muscular back then. No reviews. From Thursday-Sunday I knew that phone was going to ring.

 

Now look what it's become. Long-time Client of mine emails me the other day saying it's up to 58. He hired one. AWFUL, he says. This is what's happening to markets across the country. Not only are they being inudated, they are being inudated by guys who shouldn't even be in the business to begin with. So what's happening to clients? They are on Grindr. Adam4adam. Scruff. The bathhouse. Craigslist....Looking to get it for free. not where we want them to be...men4rent and rentboy.

 

Of course that's not the sole reason, but it's a contributing factor. Gay sex is so easy to find nowadays...so we have to do more and more to make ourselves stand out and show there is an experience to be had, not a regret; in hiring.

 

 

Mmm. There are some very unsavory racial undertones developing in this thread. I do agree that Atlanta is a saturated Market, but I dont think its due strictly to minorities. When you have soo many gay people, black white and yellow, giving it away for free.

 

There seems to be a constant influx of people into the market, but relatively low rates of leaving the market

[Xander]

Mmm. There are some very unsavory racial undertones developing in this thread. I do agree that Atlanta is a saturated Market, but I dont think its due strictly to minorities. When you have soo many gay people, black white and yellow, giving it away for free.

 

There seems to be a constant influx of people into the market, but relatively low rates of leaving the market

 

I was trying to be PC earlier in the thread, but let's be honest - black guys (in ATLANTA) are going to have a harder time. Ask any black stripper you know -- they have a much harder time than the average white guy. Sure there is the guy with the big black dick making tons of cash, but guess what -- the club only hires one, two (maybe three, tops) black guys because they know that the interest level within the guys with the money is lacking.

 

What you don't understand is that there are multiple markets within the industry. For instance, there is a market for black guys that I will NEVER be able to touch, because I'm white. The black market is very saturated in Atlanta (I wonder why?) but were you to travel to a city with very few black gentlemen you'd probably do quite well.

 

But this sort of topic is not something I'd like to get myself into. . . time will tell and I wish you the very best in Atlanta

[SteveEscort]

Mmm. There are some very unsavory racial undertones developing in this thread.

 

I've ready Joey's post and the whole subject as a whole and have seen no unsavoury racial undertones anywhere.

 

Where I live in England, I have my prices at a moderate level, not too high, not too low and sometimes I do deals, cheaper appointments etc when I feel like it to bring work in but I advertise it elsewhere to my normal profile with a different phone number. I posted about it on another thread. That gets me a bit of extra cash, sometimes up to £400 a month (about $640) depending on how popular the advert has been. This means that my regulars don't see me going "downmarket" and I keep a level presence on certain UK escorting websites. Why do I do that, you may ask. Well I do it partly because there are ethnic minorities where I live, like everywhere but Newcastle Upon Tyne has a very large Chinese population, it's got a massive Polish community and we have Albanian gangs here, all of whom are involved in low level prostitution, offering appointments from £10 ($16) and these young guys are working from flats literally 3-4 miles away from my nice leafy typically English suburb.

 

I've seen clients that have told me they have used these people and although they've had some quite awful experiences, one or two have said some of the guys they have met who are foreign nationals are nice decent people. One guy told me he booked a £10 blow job appointment and ended up spending £100 because each service cost more and more each time. £10 was for oral with a condom, it was £30 without and an extra £10 if the escort took his pants off and £10 more if the client touched him. They get them in with cheap rates and then rack up the charges and these guys pay because they're frightened not to.

 

Nearly everyone in this city who undercuts me, is from a foreign background. I don't think anyone was using racial undertones to get their point across, they were just stating facts.

 

I am a middle class english guy and one of a very few even in my area that do this work. Apart from two other gay escorts who I know personally, here in the city, I don't know any other caucasian males who work as escorts here.