Rethinking a common phrase....is it true?

[Michael Wayne]

For years in our culture we have heard the phrase, "ALL PUBLICITY IS GOOD PUBLICITY," we have been taught that it is true and so much so now that people actually hire publicists and p.r. reps.People will do ANYTHING just to get on tv. You gotta get your brand OUT THERE and have name recognition. But is it actually true or is it a lie? I shall introduce the following names into evidence: John Edwards, Herman Cain, Sen. Craig, Trent lott, Rev. Haggard, Rev. Swaggart, Gary Hart, Mayor Spitzer, Sarah Palin, and on and on we could go........in the escort world is it a good or a bad thing if there is a buzz about you for WHATEVER reason- good or bad. Is all publicity good publicity? This question opens up a huge can of worms, doesn't it? http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1 (a little free PUB there) final thought: there are certain ,"celebrity escorts," who are mentioned over and over on this forum who I will not name . Their fame is spread far and wide. My question is this: Is this widespread knowledge good for and pushing their careers or pulling them down?

[raife]

[...] there are certain ,"celebrity escorts," who are mentioned over and over on this forum who I will not name . Their fame is spread far and wide. My question is this: Is this widespread knowledge good for and pushing their careers or pulling them down?

 

Both! There is definitely a hype machine echo chamber effect around here, due to the small participating audience and typically human herd mentality. I heavily discount its recommendations, sometimes feels like paid spokesmen... (discounts for publicity?).

 

Of course some of the celebboys are just that good. It falls to us to debate, analyze, argue, pummel, and sort the wheat from the chaff.

 

All that said, give me the new guys anytime, I love to be the guinea pig. I hit a few duds from time to time, but my instincts are pretty well-honed and reliable after altogether too many years of pay-to-play. That way I can train em to do it like I like it, and have followup worthy steamy sessions.

[KMEM]

Of course, all publicity is not good publicity. I can think of no generalazation that is true 100% of the time but think about the opposite, no publicity is bad publicity, also true but not all of the time. Look at it this way, if one is dealing with the public for a product or service, one needs to have one's name or product or service before the public in order for them to know you are offering same. Therefore one can live up to or down to one's reputation but if one does not have a reputation, what can one expect?

 

Do all good reviews make a perfect escort? Do any bad reviews make a "bad" escort? Don't both of those questions seem silly upon reflection?

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Cooper]

Imo

 

there are certain ,"celebrity escorts," who are mentioned over and over on this forum who I will not name . Their fame is spread far and wide. My question is this: Is this widespread knowledge good for and pushing their careers or pulling them down?

 

Mikey... When I first joined this site I was pleased to have had the opportunity to communicate both on and off the boards with the many escorts who used to post here. I found them to be cordial, helpful with advice, friendly, and some were very funny/sexy.

 

Communicating with them led to meeting up with and hiring a few. None of them considered themselves "celebrity escorts". They were fun to be with and made the experience most comfortable. It was only through this "forum" that I was able to meet the traveling escorts.

 

So, to answer your question, I feel it was good for me and for the business of some escorts who used to post on a regular basis. I do recognize the downside to "pushing" business or some members "gushing" about their experiences but I'm sure for those who are newcomers to this site, they enjoy it as much as I used to.

 

Coop

[uwsman2]

I definitely hired some escorts because I became familiar with them from their postings on this message board, and some of them I have seen numerous times over the years. Meeting somebody whose personality has become attractive to you from numerous postings and following their response to the ongoing discourse is like meeting an old friend, almost. There's a comfort level there almost from the get-go.

[zeyfur]

Interesting question and many thanks to mikey for bringing it up. It does raise a lot of possibilities and food for thought .

 

 

I would certainly exercise caution when reading gushing posts on this forum. That is why I have always taken the gushing adoration of some posters about Mikey with a pinch of salt. Not all negative publicity is bad publicity. For example , having no negative reviews ever does not make someone a perfect escort. Sometimes an escort's response to a negative review makes me want to hire him more and ends up making a more favourable impression than tons of positive reviews .

 

Also I would be interested in Mikey's viewpoint. He is one of the most talked escorts here and would qualify as a 'celebrity' escort ? So has he found it good for his career or has it pulled him down ?

[zeyfur]

And I wish Mikey would name the ' celebrity ' escorts so we can have an informed discussion rather than speculate.

 

The other thing to consider is that are these escorts doing things publicly to further their careers or for altruistic reasons ?

 

Is Steven Draker one of the celebrity escorts he is referring to ?

 

For example, Steven Draker is doing a bike ride to raise awareness of AIDS . Does anyone think he might be doing this to further his career and get more clients ? Is the bike ride going to be good for and push his career or pull him down ? Or is the truth that it's got nothing to do with escorting and he is doing it for the greater good of society and he can think beyond escorting about the social issues that affect so many people ?

[Samai139]

An interesting question and hypothesis. I have no experience with any of the escorts reviewed here, but I often read them or browse the photos and come to some of my own conclusions. I had never thought about negative reviews being anything but just that--a review by a dissatisatisfied client who wanted others to know about it. Sometimes puzzled by the motive being the posting---personally I don't like having my poor judgement out there for all to see, but then I'm taking the responsibility for a bad experience, and that isn't always the case. Certainly gave me something to think about.

Minor correction: Elliot Spitzer was the Governor of New York State, not a mayor. He now appears on television and although the publicity of hiring prostitutes (temporarily) destroyed his political career, it hasn't destroyed his earning power. A toss up? Guess so. It will be interesting to see what happens to Herman Cain.

Another name that could be tossed out: Jerry Sandusky. Can't imagine the bad publicity around him could ever be construed as anything but bad.

[jjkrkwood]

Bab publicity IS bad publicity, but at least people are still talking about you and you are relevant. The problem for the subject starts when people STOP talking about them and they are forgotten... But it has been shown that the public has Very short memories, and tend to be forgiving... Thats where the term "come back kid" comes from... Some roar back with a revengence and have very lucrative careers and lives.

[seeker630]

... final thought: there are certain ,"celebrity escorts," who are mentioned over and over on this forum who I will not name . Their fame is spread far and wide. My question is this: Is this widespread knowledge good for and pushing their careers or pulling them down?

 

No disrepect intended, but I'm not sure that celebrity on this board translates to fame 'far and wide'. I'd bet that the majority of people who hire escorts are not familiar with the Forums.

 

As far as fame within the context of this MC affecting careers - I'd bet that the answer, as usual here, is 'yes' AND 'no'. Some members here will like what they read, others won't.

And for many of us, who don't live or travel near these guys and don't have the means or inclination to fly them in for extended bookings, there is NO impact on our hiring decisions. (I've only had the opportunity to meet one of the 'celebrity escorts' when he traveled to my area, and one more when my travel plans coincided with his And I think i would have hired them both soleyl on the basis of their ads and reviews).

 

But I think we have some 'elite clients' here - people with the means and opportunities to hire freely and frequently. The question for escorts is, how much of your business is provided by these 'elite clients'?

[Michael Wayne]

Thanks for the response and the intelligent conversation guys. I apologize on Spitzer: of course he was gov. who succeeded Patterson (sen?) His cnn show was just cancelled. Newt Gingrich would also be a prime example of what jj referred to as Americas' foriving spirit these days. As far as yalls' questions: There is no doubt that the forum has helped me immeasureably in hooking up with a certain level of client in the gay world. The straight married guys who hire which make up most of the biz really are not here. I also think we may be underestimating the celebrity thing a little. If I walk into any GAY BAR and even some straight clubs in the USA and stay for at least an hour INVARIABLY someone will recognize me. People are looking at the ads, reading the reviews and the whole RENTBOY thing is picking up steam. I think Mr. Draker represents all that is GOOD about the biz! I guess I was referring to BN, BMW, B.Steele, m. vicenzeo, small town john etc. and guys like that who I have never had the priveledge to meet. Successful, top of the biz guys do not seek each other out except to do double calls when a client wants 2 guys. They tend to be like vampires and loners hiding in the shadows who view the other top guys as competition (at least in my experience). The guys who seek me out are newcomers. Should I be active on the forum is one of the questions they ask or should I just run my ads and keep a low profile,