To escorts: Would you rather suck a client or have client suck you?

[zeyfur]

Mikey is tying himself in knots contradicting himself again and again. He says he does not need the forum yet says he wants to make himself known to a lot more people through this forum. While self promotion is one thing, it gets tedious when every single post of mikey's boils down to how great and wonderful he is. The other thing I dislike is that he often starts sly threads about other escorts saying he wants a discussion whereas it then ends up with him pointing out negatives about other escorts. Then he makes an excuse that as he is so busy his millionaire clients keep pestering him to recommend someone else- so he is actually doing everyone a big favour. Look at escorts like Steven Draker, Tyger, BMW- THEIR posts are fun, insightful , intelligent and a pleasure to read. Plus they comment on things other than their fantastic body and cock and how wonderful they are !

[seeker630]

Mikey is tying himself in knots contradicting himself again and again. He says he does not need the forum yet says he wants to make himself known to a lot more people through this forum. While self promotion is one thing, it gets tedious when every single post of mikey's boils down to how great and wonderful he is. The other thing I dislike is that he often starts sly threads about other escorts saying he wants a discussion whereas it then ends up with him pointing out negatives about other escorts. Then he makes an excuse that as he is so busy his millionaire clients keep pestering him to recommend someone else- so he is actually doing everyone a big favour. Look at escorts like Steven Draker, Tyger, BMW- THEIR posts are fun, insightful , intelligent and a pleasure to read. Plus they comment on things other than their fantastic body and cock and how wonderful they are !

 

'Need' and 'want' are not the same.

 

As for comparing Mikey's posts to those of the other guys you mention - there's room for many 'flavors' here. (And he has commented on more than his own attributes).

[zeyfur]

I believe you might be speaking of a sense of decorum. Mikey's decorum doesn't match up with me at all. I have a sense that we would be uncomfortable together in the hotel lobby, but then I do enjoy not drawing attention to myself. And I appreciate an escort who can pull off a 'good friend', 'nephew', 'business associate' style when in my company.

 

I would not like to be in the company of an airhead who cannot see anything beyond his looks, cock or body !

[zeyfur]

I will ask you a question here: (Several)... Have you had the experience of having your Master inside of you and not moving at all? Just feeling him inside of you and you embracing him with your hungry hole? Looking into each others eyes, feeling his hard cock pulse inside of you, feeling the curve of his hardness, the roundness of the head of his dick? Feeling your body and mind accept him completely? Connected together with bodies balanced between each other until you are one? Consider the concept of intercourse and directing the passion from within and then harnessing it for the external pleasures.

 

Is it enough to be wild dog fucked or do you have an interest in feeling your Master from the deeper level? ie... there is sex and then there is "Sex" with context and Content. Which is more/most important to you?

 

Since Trust IS a big aspect here, consider the foundations being heart, Mind, Spirit/Soul first and then opening up your body more from those foundations. Get sense of your Master and allow him that sense of you form the inside out as opposed to the outside in?

 

Read the above. I have copied it from another part of the forum. It is an e mail from tyger. Now that is class.. as opposed to Mikey's ravings about me, me , me ....

[seeker630]

I will ask you a question here: (Several)... Have you had the experience of having your Master inside of you and not moving at all? Just feeling him inside of you and you embracing him with your hungry hole? Looking into each others eyes, feeling his hard cock pulse inside of you, feeling the curve of his hardness, the roundness of the head of his dick? Feeling your body and mind accept him completely? Connected together with bodies balanced between each other until you are one? Consider the concept of intercourse and directing the passion from within and then harnessing it for the external pleasures.

 

Is it enough to be wild dog fucked or do you have an interest in feeling your Master from the deeper level? ie... there is sex and then there is "Sex" with context and Content. Which is more/most important to you?

 

Since Trust IS a big aspect here, consider the foundations being heart, Mind, Spirit/Soul first and then opening up your body more from those foundations. Get sense of your Master and allow him that sense of you form the inside out as opposed to the outside in?

 

Read the above. I have copied it from another part of the forum. It is an e mail from tyger. Now that is class.. as opposed to Mikey's ravings about me, me , me ....

 

Apples & oranges. Yes, they have different styles. And while I respect Tyger, that particular paragraph does nothing for me, as a top. I'm not looking for a Master, nor a spiritual experience.

 

But I'm not going to play the escort-bashing game. We have too few escorts participating already.

[bigvalboy]

This should be an open forum, If you do not like consistenly what Mikey says or someone else says here, then when you see there name come up just don't read the post. If it bothers you so much then just block them. He like everyone here has a right to post what he wants as long as he remains within the rules. Bashing him and insulting his posts solves nothing.

[Phil_musc]

Yes, but I for one enjoy reading what escorts have to say on this board and I'll wager that some other posters feel the same way. I know I am the voice in the wilderness here and have been called naive (I'm flattered that anyone could actually think that I was naive at this point in my life - optimistic maybe but naive, I don't think so) for counseling for more civility on the boards. But in the short time that I've been here as a lurker and then as a poster I have seen the number of escorts who regularly post here dwindle to a mere handful. What is the point of wielding all that rapier wit or those scathing putdowns that seem to get heaped on some of the posters? I do think that some guys here have some major issues with their lives not being what they wanted or felt they deserved, but I keep these thoughts to myself. What is the point of the negativity and the mean-spirited barbs that seem to wear down some of our posters here? After a while people tire of reading all the sandbox putdowns and decide to move on and off. We are all the poorer for their departures. Yes, you have the right to post anything (within reason) but those of you who claim to have a "need" to voice your opinions must have some other "needs" too, like see a therapist and work out your anger issues and frustrations. I think underneath my newly painted shingle for escort services I'm going to add therapist - the only problem there for me is I'm a problem solver and some guys just want to vent and not really change anything. There, enough venting on my part. Thanks for reading if you've made it this far. No reply necessary or even desired. If you feel the "need," PM me.

[zeyfur]

As Mikey worshippers have pointed out , this is an open forum and I have every right to post critical comments about the resident God. If you don't like what I say , well , as you said , just put me on ignore and don't read my posts. But I will continue with my posts on your God no matter what anyone says.

[bigvalboy]

As Mikey worshippers have pointed out , this is an open forum and I have every right to post critical comments about the resident God. If you don't like what I say , well , as you said , just put me on ignore and don't read my posts. But I will continue with my posts on your God no matter what anyone says.

 

If you were referring to me Zeyfur, I for one don't worship Mikey and I most certianly do not consider him a God in any form of speaking. My point only is that I agree with Philmusc, that the attacks and bashing over someones opinion solves nothing and only stiffles dialog. I myself have been guilty of that kind angry back and forth postings before and I can tell you with absolute certianty that it solves nothing. People here are strongly opinionated and you will rarely if ever change someones mind, but I do get it, you and jj and some others don't really like Mikey, ok that is your choice and if you want to continue with your negative posts, well then I guess I will just leave you with your dislikes, but that kind of posting only serves to drive people from the forum not bring people in.

[jjkrkwood]

'Need' and 'want' are not the same.

 

As for comparing Mikey's posts to those of the other guys you mention - there's room for many 'flavors' here. (And he has commented on more than his own attributes).

 

From the reaction of a handful here, Obviously theres NOT room......

[jjkrkwood]

This should be an open forum, If you do not like consistenly what Mikey says or someone else says here, then when you see there name come up just don't read the post. If it bothers you so much then just block them. He like everyone here has a right to post what he wants as long as he remains within the rules. Bashing him and insulting his posts solves nothing.

 

You are right BVB, while being a hypocrite at the same time. You have bashed Rockhard several times, very publicly here for comments he made with which you didnt agree. He may not be an escort, I'm not sure, but he surely is a member. So If I understand here, you can Bash, but others cant? And its not bashing if you are only giving your impression of a person based on their posts. Everyone has done it. Many have done it to me. And comments wont always be only positive. Why cant people EVER see that they are guilty of the same behavior they chastise ? Noone here is as Saintly as they present themselves. The only thing this site SHOULDNT have is censorship, which seems to be what some people want. If its bad or negative, dont say it....

Wouldnt it be wonderful if we could edit out all the bad and negative things from REAL Life ???? Get a grip ! For Gods sake, even the President of the US gets negative feedback. If people dont like to read negativity, they dont belong on public websites, or anywhere for that matter. Conversation should be balanced. Some people laud Mikey, others dont. One is not more right than the other, but BOTH should be allowed to be voiced. Mikey is a big boy. He should be able to take criticism without crying like a baby each time someone confronts him. And I dont see the need for all of YOU to have to jump to his defense. He has a mouth. What really is your point? As I remember correctly, you ALL bashed Zeyfur when he came onto the site and made countless posts in reply to most of the threads. You ALL called a Moratorium and asked for him to be Banned. He has become a valuable contributor to this site. I applaud Daddy for allowing "Honesty" and "openess" on this site without policing every single word written. Thank you Daddy....

[seeker630]

From the reaction of a handful here, Obviously theres NOT room......

 

You're still here, aren't you? If you're allowed to attack, others are allowed to defend. And defenses or disagreements aren't NOT automatically 'bashing'.

[Phil_musc]

First of all, Zeyfur, in case you meant me, let me tell you that I am not a Mikey fan - I've never met the guy so any opinion I have about him is formed solely on the basis of his writings here. Most of my above post was more general than that.

BVB, thanks - you get it. It's good to see that some guys here can understand the difference between stating an opinion and trying to wipe the floor with somebody.Seeker reinforces that position wit his short post directly above. Of course it's an open forum and people are entitled to their opinions and they can even write them here. But there is a difference in tone that is obvious to most readers here, I think. But maybe not - and a lot of mean-spirited and nasty posting can be defended by the poster as "honesty" and simply being a part of "openness." But perhaps a threshold question for some people writing here should be "would I say what I am writing about a guy here to his face if we were in the same room?" Actually, the only honesty and openness that I am interested in this particular thread had to do with escorts answering the initial question which was "would you rather suck a client or have a client suck you?" The rants against Mikey, while perhaps "honest" to the poster who defends the right to state them are completely unresponsive to the thread topic and perhaps should be the topic for another thread. Then too, I've written it before and I'll say it here again: some of you must live with anger issues and frustrations with your lives and striking out as a means of putting another guy down says a lot about you. It may be human nature to put someone down to feel good about oneself, but that is certainly not one of our more attractive human traits.

[jjkrkwood]

You're still here, aren't you? If you're allowed to attack, others are allowed to defend. And defenses or disagreements aren't NOT automatically 'bashing'.

 

Sorry Seeker, giving your opinion of a person is only being considered bashing here because the person being spoken about doesnt like whats written. Thats too bad. You cant control whats said about you. When people bash ME, you say I deserve it and encouraged it, and I should just suck it up. I DO.. Stop the double-talk. I bash but YOU defend ??? Thats a crock of Shit..You cant make everything work to YOUR advantage. You should be a politician....

[jjkrkwood]

First of all, Zeyfur, in case you meant me, let me tell you that I am not a Mikey fan - I've never met the guy so any opinion I have about him is formed solely on the basis of his writings here. Most of my above post was more general than that.

BVB, thanks - you get it. It's good to see that some guys here can understand the difference between stating an opinion and trying to wipe the floor with somebody.Seeker reinforces that position wit his short post directly above. Of course it's an open forum and people are entitled to their opinions and they can even write them here. But there is a difference in tone that is obvious to most readers here, I think. But maybe not - and a lot of mean-spirited and nasty posting can be defended by the poster as "honesty" and simply being a part of "openness." But perhaps a threshold question for some people writing here should be "would I say what I am writing about a guy here to his face if we were in the same room?" Actually, the only honesty and openness that I am interested in this particular thread had to do with escorts answering the initial question which was "would you rather suck a client or have a client suck you?" The rants against Mikey, while perhaps "honest" to the poster who defends the right to state them are completely unresponsive to the thread topic and perhaps should be the topic for another thread. Then too, I've written it before and I'll say it here again: some of you must live with anger issues and frustrations with your lives and striking out as a means of putting another guy down says a lot about you. It may be human nature to put someone down to feel good about oneself, but that is certainly not one of our more attractive human traits.

 

Phil, with respect to your post, your "color within the lines" theory is a bit naive. The best discussions are those that often morp into something else. While I agree that the original issue should be addressed (which I did early on), this thread took a turn when Mikey answered the question and once again seemed to make it about "himself" Yes, we want his opinion, but all the embellishment about himself was unneccesary. Of course thats MY opinion, and for those that enjoy constantly hearing about his good looks, high sex drive, and huge cock, they will feel otherwise. Regardless, the notion that there is a "right way" and a wrong way" to behave here is ludicrous. And not saying what you feel simply to protect anothers feelings is really stretching the definiton of an open, honest website. Maybe an opinion other than a kiss ass one will make the intended open his eyes and perhaps see himself in a didfferent light ? Did it work on ME ? NO, because I stand by what I believe, but it doesnt mean that I havent had to endure the onslaught of public opinion.

[Phil_musc]

Perhaps you are right, JJ. And any time anyone calls me naive at this point in my life (AARP member that I am), I am amused and flattered; so thank you. I agree with an astounding number of things you say on the forum (unlike apparently many others), but I'm not sure that I would categorize as "discussions" what numerous threads (including this particular one) have morphed into. And I also know that I am guilty of taking a peripheral point out of a post and running with it. But when I have done that, it was generally in a spirit of good humored fun and not to put someone else down. Mikey did respond to the thread and I can see how you might take it as self promotion and making it about himself. So what? The question was asked of escorts and he responded. Furthermore, your idea that there is a right way and a wrong way is so pop-Americana. We in the US all have issues with authority and people saying one way is the right way and others are wrong. It is maybe a character flaw of us as US citizens - we don't like to think in absolutes. Everything is grey to us - it takes someone like a Hitler to make the country unite and say "yes, this is wrong." Anything less than that and we all take refuge behind the idea that no one has the right to say that something is right or wrong when it comes to a matters of taste and discretion. But gratuitous bashing here really serves no purpose other than allowing the poster to vent and get something off his chest and be provocative. And then what? Feel better? Well maybe, but I still think it is possible to criticize someone without being a steamroller. But hey, if steamroller is someone's style - who am I to criticize? Meanwhile some of the very people who should be posting here as escorts go away. For a few seconds of self-gratification and self-expression others get turned off and leave. At that rate, ultimately who will be left to post and read these ramblings?

[Steven_Draker]

I want to hear from more escorts

 

I think that's the best you can get here at this point in time. Sorry.

[zeyfur]

What I find amusing is that the mikey worshippers on here defend his right to free speech and then seek to censor anyone who dares criticise him. My criticism of mikey is based on his postings and not random irrational rants as his fans claim. If criticising mikey is against the terms and conditions of this forum then of course I apologise.

[jjkrkwood]

Perhaps you are right, JJ. And any time anyone calls me naive at this point in my life (AARP member that I am), I am amused and flattered; so thank you. I agree with an astounding number of things you say on the forum (unlike apparently many others), but I'm not sure that I would categorize as "discussions" what numerous threads (including this particular one) have morphed into. And I also know that I am guilty of taking a peripheral point out of a post and running with it. But when I have done that, it was generally in a spirit of good humored fun and not to put someone else down. Mikey did respond to the thread and I can see how you might take it as self promotion and making it about himself. So what? The question was asked of escorts and he responded. Furthermore, your idea that there is a right way and a wrong way is so pop-Americana. We in the US all have issues with authority and people saying one way is the right way and others are wrong. It is maybe a character flaw of us as US citizens - we don't like to think in absolutes. Everything is grey to us - it takes someone like a Hitler to make the country unite and say "yes, this is wrong." Anything less than that and we all take refuge behind the idea that no one has the right to say that something is right or wrong when it comes to a matters of taste and discretion. But gratuitous bashing here really serves no purpose other than allowing the poster to vent and get something off his chest and be provocative. And then what? Feel better? Well maybe, but I still think it is possible to criticize someone without being a steamroller. But hey, if steamroller is someone's style - who am I to criticize? Meanwhile some of the very people who should be posting here as escorts go away. For a few seconds of self-gratification and self-expression others get turned off and leave. At that rate, ultimately who will be left to post and read these ramblings?

 

You win some, you LOSE some, its the Circle of Life. There will always be enough posters here, new, old or otherwise to make the site interesting and provocative. I am really not worried about a small handful of people who defect because they cant take the heat. If you run away from everything in life that you dislike, you really arent experiencing LIFE..... Its really the individuals choice to participate or not, and the definition of participation varies from person to person..

 

PS, I think you might have misread my statement. I said the notion of "right way, wrong way" behavior is ludicrous. I was NOT condoning it....

[zeyfur]

We all disagree on various topics in the real world. As far as I can see the only person who lost his cool and swore on this thread was Mikey.

 

But unlike others on this site I have not attempted to stifle free speech . Nor have I called upon posters to be banned just because I did not like what they said or just because they criticise me. Criticise me all you want. It's your right. I won't be running to daddy to try and get you banned from the forum.

[zeyfur]

First of all, Zeyfur, in case you meant me, let me tell you that I am not a Mikey fan - I've never met the guy so any opinion I have about him is formed solely on the basis of his writings here. Most of my above post was more general than that.

BVB, thanks - you get it. It's good to see that some guys here can understand the difference between stating an opinion and trying to wipe the floor with somebody.Seeker reinforces that position wit his short post directly above. Of course it's

an open forum and people are entitled to their opinions and they can even write them here. But there is a difference in

tone that is obvious to most readers here, I think. But maybe not - and a lot of mean-spirited and nasty posting can be

defended by the poster as "honesty" and simply being a part of "openness." But perhaps a threshold question for some

people writing here should be "would I say what I am writing about a guy here to his face if we were in the same room?"

Actually, the only honesty and openness that I am interested in this particular thread had to do with escorts answering the

initial question which was "would you rather suck a client or have a client suck you?" The rants against Mikey, while

perhaps "honest" to the poster who defends the right to state them are completely unresponsive to the thread topic and

perhaps should be the topic for another thread. Then too, I've written it before and I'll say it here again: some of you

must live with anger issues and frustrations with your lives and striking out as a means of putting another guy down says

a lot about you. It may be human nature to put someone down to feel good about oneself, but that is certainly not one of

our more attractive human traits.

 

Show me one post where I have bashed any other user on here. I do criticise mikey and have given my reasons for the same. When a thread was started on me and all and sundry posted asking daddy to delete my account , did I cry and moan or try and stifle the debate ? No , people have the right to criticise me and I won't be asking for them to be banned.

[Phil_musc]

To all of you who have written to remind me (and others) that we live in a country where we have free speech, thank you for the civics lesson update as well as the constitutional law points. Of course you are right and we are all the richer for your sharing of your intelligence and wisdom. And really, how silly of me to expect somehow that people would think before they wrote with their insane need to share their feelings and thoughts, which of course are all guaranteed in the constitution. I have never advocated for censorship on this board (or anywhere else) and I never seriously recommended that any thread be closed. I come here for information about potential hires as well as general knowledge and the occasional pop culture posting. (The photos that Lee posts ain't bad either, come to think of it.) But it does annoy me to read posts that seem to be generated by the stereotypical bitchy queens, no disrespect intended - there's enough of that here already.

[zeyfur]

The problem is that many people think free speech applies only to them and when you point out otherwise , they go off on a hussy fit and call other people names. Of course , if you dare point that out , you are the one that is being difficult !

[zeyfur]

So when people on here bash jj , they are just defending themselves. When anyone " bashes " mikey or the resident fan club then they are being bitchy queens !

[jjkrkwood]

So when people on here bash jj , they are just defending themselves. When anyone " bashes " mikey or the resident fan club then they are being bitchy queens !

 

I guess so ! ;-)