PNP?? What's your opinion on hiring PNP Escorts?

[mansniffing]

I see a couple of escorts in NYC are listing PNP as one of their specialties on Tastes / Specialties / Fetishes.

 

Exactly what kind of drugs does PNP include and is it usually part of an escort's agenda? What's the general opinion from you savvy fellows on the subject?

 

Thanks.

[Kevin Slater]

PNP usually refers to crystal meth, but may also mean coke or GHB. I suspect it's like drinking: many people prefer not to do it alone, thus clients who party may be more inclined to book an escort who does as well. I also suspect the escort may stick around beyond his paid-for hour if the drugs are flowing. That's not to confuse it for more bang for the buck, however, as some (but not all) guys have a hard time achieving hard-ons if they've been partying.

 

Generally speaking, if it's not your scene, you may be best to avoid escorts who advertise that they partake. The stereotype is that he shows up late if at all, has bad breath, a limp dick and the drama associated with the drug (rambling stories, inability to focus, perhaps things go missing).

 

Some escorts may advertise that they PNP because they enjoy spending their time with others on the same wavelength, because partied up clients may keep them around for longer, or because they are able to provide the "party favors" as a side business.

 

Kevin Slater

[bigvalboy]

For me I simply don't care what someone else does in there private life. Many customers like PNP and it is certainly rampant in society at large. If an escort chooses to partake in that with some of his clients it is none of my business. It doesn't work for me, and as long as the escort does not introduce it into our session and doesn't arrive under the influence, and is still able to perform without it, I for one do not judge someone for being invloved in PNP elsewhere. I do know the heightened sensation of sex and drugs and can understand how some guys feel it necessary to partake. Each to his own. I don't condemn.

[Guest ChgoBoy]

PNP usually refers to crystal meth, but may also mean coke or GHB. I suspect it's like drinking: many people prefer not to do it alone, thus clients who party may be more inclined to book an escort who does as well. I also suspect the escort may stick around beyond his paid-for hour if the drugs are flowing. That's not to confuse it for more bang for the buck, however, as some (but not all) guys have a hard time achieving hard-ons if they've been partying.

 

Generally speaking, if it's not your scene, you may be best to avoid escorts who advertise that they partake. The stereotype is that he shows up late if at all, has bad breath, a limp dick and the drama associated with the drug (rambling stories, inability to focus, perhaps things go missing).

 

Some escorts may advertise that they PNP because they enjoy spending their time with others on the same wavelength, because partied up clients may keep them around for longer, or because they are able to provide the "party favors" as a side business.

 

Kevin Slater

 

Everything which Kevin states above is absolutely true and correct to normal human behavior..

 

What Kevin does not tell his clients in his ads, is that he has, and still does, engage in unsafe and unprotected sex on personal and private occasions of his choosing.

 

It should also be known that Kevin is a wonderful person and wonderful human mind to know personally. It's also equally as important to know that when individuals (escorts & porn models) engage in raw, bareback and unsafe sex, personally and professionally, that clients of those people should be equally aware of those activities before hiring them. Testing whether positive or negative before such encounter.

 

I'll suggest the escort here be the one to further this conversation should he feel the importance to do so.

[JT Brooklyn]

Unfortunately there have been instances where the "Working Guy" showed up for an INCALL and the Client was Wasted on whatever!

 

Should they stay or should they go? We all have to make decisions in Life!

[JT Brooklyn]

Everything which Kevin states above is absolutely true and correct to normal human behavior..

 

What Kevin does not tell his clients in his ads, is that he has, and still does, engage in unsafe and unprotected sex on personal and private occasions of his choosing.

 

It should also be known that Kevin is a wonderful person and wonderful human mind to know personally. It's also equally as important to know that when individuals (escorts & porn models) engage in raw, bareback and unsafe sex, personally and professionally, that clients of those people should be equally aware of those activities before hiring them. Testing whether positive or negative before such encounter.

 

I'll suggest the escort here be the one to further this conversation should he feel the importance to do so.

 

"ON PERSONAL & PRIVATE OCCASIONS OF HIS CHOOSING"! I thought the "Bitchy Queens" were all headed South for the Winter! Guess not!

[bluboy]

Oh because all escorts and clients are fully upfront about their history and status! Only kevin in this entire business hides that he does bareback in private....get over yourself! That is just vicious silliness! The entire gay community is awash with bareback and pnp orgies and we are all intercepting participants in these activities ALL the time! Let us all be responsible for ourselves...assume the person u dont know is hiv positive and act accordingly...take a chance, dont take a chance..be as u wish! But for gods sake dont out the issue on poor kevin! Whatever! Silly man!

[+ glutes]

What's the general opinion from you savvy fellows on the subject?

 

Thanks.

 

Stay away from them.

[hornytwells]

Surely it is the client's individual responsibility to look after his own sexual health in dealings with any casual sex encounters-escorts or otherwise> I don't think Kevin Slater is "hiding" anything-he has appeared in several movies for Treasure Island media, which you can find with one google click-plus how do you know what anyone does in their own private lives? Just because someone might claim to be HIV- doesn't mean they are, whether they are lying or ignorant of their status. I think a client would be more than naive to accept what is on a rentboy ad as proof of status-plus, shouldn't they having safe sex anyway?? Also whether or not he declares things in his ad does not mean he will not discuss them in private with the client.

[Guest ChgoBoy]

Bullshit

 

I personally believe that when an individual, with full knowledge of how the transmission of the HIV virus is commuted from one person to another - and further chooses to depict that irresponsible transmission on commercial video with other reckless, selfish and irresponsible human beings for the sake of a hot porn video and pay-check - does nothing for the sake or health of our community or future of our well being as a people.

 

It further does nothing to prevent the same reckless, irresponsible and poisonous behavior from happening again with the youth of our community which furthers this disease to what is now believed to be another one pill resolves all sickness, mentality.

 

If you can't see from our history how tragic this path becomes for your future....then you have no history to support who you might want to become in lieu of what you might choose to ignore.

 

And, being gay, without a history to fall back upon, will most certainly leave you, with absolutely...NOTHING.

 

And if you don't believe that, just ask any one of your elders who Frank Kameny was. And he, by the grace of God, only fought bigots, not disease.

[Epigonos]

This thread has gotten off topic. I believe the original inquiry was about how we, as clients, feel about hiring escorts who advertises PNP. I have NEVER done so in the past, do NOT do so currently and do NOT plan to do so in the future. There are a multitude of variables that come into play in hiring escorts I simply do not chose to add an additional one.

[jgoo]

Thanks Epigonos for reminding everyone to keep on topic. I am pretty naive when it comes to drugs and the drug culture so I found it interesting that PNP appears to relate mostly to hard drugs. When I have seen PNP I always just thought it could mean weed, alcohol and maybe other drugs. No interest in that so I don't ask about it and seeing PNP in an escort's ad is not necessarily an automatic no for hiring him (just one of many factors when deciding to hire or not).

[seeker630]

Thanks Epigonos for reminding everyone to keep on topic. I am pretty naive when it comes to drugs and the drug culture so I found it interesting that PNP appears to relate mostly to hard drugs. When I have seen PNP I always just thought it could mean weed, alcohol and maybe other drugs. No interest in that so I don't ask about it and seeing PNP in an escort's ad is not necessarily an automatic no for hiring him (just one of many factors when deciding to hire or not).

 

I had a similar response. I don't think you can assume what PNP means when used by an escort - especially if it's a box checked on an ad. If it matters, ASK. Think about discussions we have had here or terms like 'oral top' - not everyone uses the phrase to mean the same thing.

[RockHard]

You often get what you give.

 

No one should be surprised that many escorts suffer from addiction. Whether sex or drugs, or both, the behavior is pretty much the same. And lying is a leading symptom of that disease. So if trust matters to you...

 

Not all escorts lie, and if some do lie, it's usually a harmless lie like age or dick size. Those lies won't kill you.

 

If an escort is bold enough to state HIV- in his ad, most can and are willing to prove it. They are marketing their services to other HIV- men (primarily). The escort who is not an addict tends to love sex but he also loves staying in good health. There are plenty of professionals who know how to take care of themselves, who know how to spot a trouble client a mile away.

 

If you choose to play with a PNP escort, chances are you've got your own problems, possibly buried in denial. However, there are tons of pot heads out there who love sex while high on marijuana. Not sure if they fall into the PNP category. It's called 420 on Craigslist.

 

My drug days are long over and, thankfully, I escaped the addict gene. I don't want to have sex with someone who is high or who can't get his cock hard.

 

Escorts who bareback in film can never take the bareback-at-all-times perception away. Marketing 101. All you have to do is bareback with one wrong guy and your health could be compromised forever. HIV is that deadly.

 

Risk is an individual choice. I've never enjoyed gambling. I do everything I can to minimize risk while I enjoy a fun-filled life. I know I have to die one day from something. I choose to die from something other than HIV. I love sex but I'm not willing to die for it.

[jjkrkwood]

Everyone needs to make their own choices and decisions. Escorting is a business, and if the escort chooses to included PNP in his offerings to perhaps increase his client base, thats his business, and probably a SMART business decision.

 

However, the ONLY thing I find irresponsible is ChicagoBoys "outting" of Kevin in this thread. And he disguises his comments in such a way as to look like no harm is being done, on the one hand by complimenting as a "great person and human being", and on the other by condemming him for his unsafe practices.... What this ONLY tells me is that ChicagoBoy is NOT a person you would want to have as a friend, because you would never know WHICH of his TWO FACES is showing......

[bigvalboy]

I gotta say, I saw the same thing and it REALLY bothered me. I have in the past been banned for spectulation on someones HIV status and was hesitant to mention my distaste for what Chgoboy had said, while this situation is a little different from what I got banned for, I thought his comments to be in EXTREMELY poor taste. I was surprised until jj said something, that no one else bothered to address his comments as well, and YES they were disguised very deceptively, And he is certainly someone I would never confide in. While he might be passionate about this subject. The subject most certainly can be addressed in such a manner as not to resort to mentioning names on such a personal level.

[josephga]

Chgoboy didn't really out anyone its easy to google and checkout who works for that company

[hornytwells]

You didn't read my post then? I addressed his comments, which I found to be obnoxious. How can you on the one hand proclaim someone a wonderful person and then accuse them of being irresponsible liars on the next? Also, nowhere does kevin Slater lie on his website, neither is he forcing anyone to perform unsafe sex acts. As I said before-surely it is the individual client's responsibility to look after their own sexual health, and so long as the sex is safe he is ok.

I did not elaborate as the thread was criticised for going off topic, however I feel the question of PNP or not is related to responsibility and choices, plus I felt I did not want to let the nastiness of the attack on kevin Slater go unchallenged

[jjkrkwood]

Chgoboy didn't really out anyone its easy to google and checkout who works for that company

 

Sorry Joey, do nOT agree, for those who may not know of Kevin, he was MOST DEFINATELY outted here, as there was no reason in Hell to bring his name into this, let alone reveal

what he may or may not do. Although the info may be available on Google or whatever, it was NOT pertinent to THIS Thread, and dragging it in was an "outting" of sorts.

[josephga]

K

[bigvalboy]

I agree with you Hornyt, but in addition, what is important here is what jj has said is exactly right. You did mention that Kevin was not hiding anything, but I DID NOT know of Kevins status, and therefore at least to me he was outted, and probably to others as well. AND there was absolutley NO reason to drag his name into the thread, it was off topic and I viewed it as something that was an unnecessary attack on someones character, and Chgoboy might deny it but it was very calculated and done on purpose. I found it distasteful.

[RockHard]

Delusional anyone?

 

I found it distasteful.

 

Oh please, someone please tell me, when is the subject of dirty, raunchy, PNP sex and escorting tasteful? Girls, get a grip.

 

If you live by the sword, you might die by it, too. Outing? I don't think so. Just because someone has been living in a cave for ten years doesn't mean your new news isn't old news to everyone else.

 

As for the windy city whatever-you-want-to-call-him, if you have a problem with his posts, report them to admin. The years of whining and debating this guy's words and character are not worth a second of my life. If you have nothing better to talk about, nothing more interesting to complain about, then how about dropping your pants and showing us your cock.

[seeker630]

Everyone needs to make their own choices and decisions. Escorting is a business, and if the escort chooses to included PNP in his offerings to perhaps increase his client base, thats his business, and probably a SMART business decision.

 

However, the ONLY thing I find irresponsible is ChicagoBoys "outting" of Kevin in this thread. And he disguises his comments in such a way as to look like no harm is being done, on the one hand by complimenting as a "great person and human being", and on the other by condemming him for his unsafe practices....

 

Although jjk has perhaps said it a bit more aggressively than I would, I agree. (Hope you are stting down, jj

[Guest ChgoBoy]

but I DID NOT know of Kevins status,

 

Nobody ever mentioned or brought into light Kevin's status. What was discussed was his reckless sexual behavior in the face of a major health crisis.

[JT Brooklyn]

Mr Rockhard Rocks

 

Oh please, someone please tell me, when is the subject of dirty, raunchy, PNP sex and escorting tasteful? Girls, get a grip.

 

If you live by the sword, you might die by it, too. Outing? I don't think so. Just because someone has been living in a cave for ten years doesn't mean your new news isn't old news to everyone else.

 

As for the windy city whatever-you-want-to-call-him, if you have a problem with his posts, report them to admin. The years of whining and debating this guy's words and character are not worth a second of my life. If you have nothing better to talk about, nothing more interesting to complain about, then how about dropping your pants and showing us your cock.

 

Rockhard Rocks! Always says it like it is! "Thank The Gods" there are a few of us left!