Gay for Pay

[Guest GQ Pro]

We all know there are plenty of str8 porn stars who will do gay porn. I recently read an article of such a porn star. Reading that made me think of escorts who advertise that they are straight. This week in my blog I wrote about such escorts and was wondering why clients may hire them. Any thoughts from clients on this topic?

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[+ Gar1eth]

We all know there are plenty of str8 porn stars who will do gay porn. I recently read an article of such a porn star. Reading that made me think of escorts who advertise that they are straight. This week in my blog I wrote about such escorts and was wondering why clients may hire them. Any thoughts from clients on this topic?

"Secret Escapades of a Gay Gigolo" http://gqpro.tumblr.com/

 

I'll give it a go. I'm guessing there are 2 things involved. One might be the assumption of masculinity. If there is still some shame or stigma to being gay, and if deep down the shame of not being masculine enough because you are gay-- well then you might want to pay for a straight escort. The other thing would be the fantasy that some straight guy we find attractive-- that he would turn gay-- if only for us.

 

Gmanp

[Guest Merlin]

Sometimes the best looking or best built escort available calls himself straight. If he is willing to perform the function you are looking for, he may be the best available.

[leigh.bess.toad]

The other thing would be the fantasy that some straight guy we find attractive-- that he would turn gay-- if only for us.

 

Gmanp

 

Gman -- that's one of the problems I have with gay-for-pay. The straight world thinks we're constantly trying to recruit new "members". And that fear of being "recruited" has led to how many gay-bashings?

 

That and it always strikes me that their are deigning to give us poor gay boys, who can't get anyone else, a mercy fuck. They don't think a gay man can fuck (because we're not man enough) so the straight guy has to show us how to do it. Well I'm sorry but, as the poet once said, "Homey don't play that".

[Toulouse]

Some bi/gay-curious married guys who hire may, at least initially, feel more comfortable hiring "straight" rent-boys because they feel these escorts will be better able to empathize with their desires. Ironically, some married men are concerned about ending up with an effeminate or flamboyant guy if they hire a "gay" escort. Of course, we know that concern is based on faulty assumptions, but I suspect that's what some clients perceive.

[Epigonos]

Gay for pay is a HUGE turn off for me. One of my major pleasures in having sex with a man is finding out what I can do to him to rev his motor. Growing tits and a pussy are not in the realm of possibility so I don’t see the point. I insist on a sexual partner who enjoys playing with a man’s body as much as I do. Rod Hagen/L.A., A.J. Irons/O.C., Steven Kesslar/S.F., Dane Scott/Chicago, and Todd/L.A. are just five outstanding examples of masculine gay men who know how to cuddle, kiss and suck cock AND enjoy doing so.

[leigh.bess.toad]

Gay for pay is a HUGE turn off for me.

 

I am certainly with you on that. However, we should also not only include gay men but bi as well. One of my favorite escorts is bi and I don't think there is a gay escort out there who is more into than he is.

[+ Gar1eth]

Gay for pay is a HUGE turn off for me. One of my major pleasures in have sex with a man is finding out what I can do to him to rev his motor. Growing tits and a pussy are not in the realm of possibility so I don’t see the point. I insist on a sexual partner who enjoys playing with a man’s body as much as I do. Rod Hagen/L.A., A.J. Irons/O.C., Steven Kesslar/S.F., Dane Scott/Chicago, and Todd/L.A. are just five outstanding examples of masculine gay men who know how to cuddle, kiss and suck cock AND enjoy doing so.

Epigonos, I understand the point you are making. Unfortunately-- as is often the case in the psychosexual world we inhabit, strict definitions can be difficult. From personal experience, I know that AJ Irons doesn't like to be pigeonholed into gay or straight. How do I know, you may ask,--I asked him whether he was gay or straight ( if he was gay for pay I wanted to know-- plus he had stated he was straight on some online video I saw). He said he had claimed he was straight for that video, but that he just thought of himself as sexual. That may not be a direct quotation, but I think it is a pretty accurate paraphrase. If it's not, I apologize to AJ wherever he is out there.

 

Gman

[Epigonos]

Gar1eth you are absolutely correct that A.J. and several escorts I know don't like to be pigeonholed as gay or straight. However, NONE of those guys claim to be gay-for-pay and I believe this thread refers to those who do.

[+ deej]

Yeah, those guys don't fit the "gay for pay" model.

 

Chi Chi LaRue spoke about gay for pay in less than flattering ways over the years. His opinion is that they're really gay but won't admit it to themselves. The pay part is basically a permission slip to let them go where they want to go anyway without admitting anything.

 

Personally, I think Kinsey had it right. It's a sliding scale and few people are ever really stuck in one place on that scale if they're honest with themselves.

[josephga]

I agree with Chi Chi LaRue. I saw former porn actor turned director Gino Colbert say the same thing in a documentary once. I pretty much agree. I think its mostly a fantasy role playing scene. a product produced to feed the fantasy of being with the unattainable str8 guy.

[NYTomcat]

I think deej and Epigonos have said what I always look to. There are few black and whites in the world and a whole lot of gray. But I want a Guy who enjoys the time for itself not just the cash. Even if he is thinking of another man.

 

I recently met a very sexual gentleman who clearly identified himself as straight. Although he was a dancer at a gay strip club. Numerous other posters who were with me at the club said what a wonderful time they had in a private champagne room setting with him. I will leave specifics to the imagination. As always with me I got to know him. Over a few visits and lap dances. Totally amazing body great personality and eyes that could burn through to your soul so crystal blue with jet black hair. And his ass well a work of art that could vibrate and move well you get the idea. So ultimately and against my rule of no champagne rooms I took him to one...

 

Incredible cock very intimate very sexual very into the play and very uninhibited..... but suddenly he is Julia Roberts in pretty woman. ... "I am str8... I don't kiss" of all the things I hadn't thought to ask. Obviously not allowed on the lap dance floor. Well a great time with his naked body is nice but that's all ... for me that intimacy was walled off. Im not saying this is every gay for pay issue but it is for me representative of the problem. Whether I will always feel that seperation from true intimate experience or whether the Guy walls it off himself. I always find that to be the case in my perception and experience. I don't name the dancer as he is a great Guy and being with him well worth the experience. His body is beyond compare and a great disposition. If I were a 27 year old girl. I'd stalk him. Lol. But as a gay man ..... it just doesn't get me over the edge... so to speak

 

Now same experience with a gay dancer.... well I've hired him for private sessions for over a year since. Both great guys. But the gay man.... knows and is comfortable making the experience intimate and not just an incredibly alluring robotic performance.

[+ deej]

I should also say there ARE some impossibly attractive straight guys who realize they are impossibly attractive and also realize their only talent is being impossibly attractive. When that's all you've got, and guys make it clear they'll throw money at you only because you're impossibly attractive, you go there.

 

I suspect they are the "gay for pay" guys this thread was started to discuss.

 

I have no experience with them, and don't want any.

[Guest Spanker01]

If you look at my user name you'll know what I'm into. Over the years I have had many real good scenes with straight gay for pay types; why? He knows that what I will do to him will hurt, but that is all that's required. No gay sex needed. I have also over the years determined much of the time the straight guy can handle more pain then the gay guy, not always but often.

 

Spanker

[NYTomcat]

If you look at my user name you'll know what I'm into. Over the years I have had many real good scenes with straight gay for pay types; why? He knows that what I will do to him will hurt, but that is all that's required. No gay sex needed. I have also over the years determined much of the time the straight guy can handle more pain then the gay guy, not always but often.

 

Spanker

 

Ok but following my logic here. Don't you find the escort who is an actual s&m sub to be the best (gay or str8). Not only will he take the pain for cash... but he gets off on it almost as much as you.

[justaguy]

I'm like deej on this subject: "I have no experience with them, and don't want any."

[adriano46]

I have addressed this topic elsewhere, especially when talking of guys from Central Europe and Russia; but also with Europeans from the Mediterranean as well.

 

Since I have hired from all across the spectrum (in Russia hard to find guys who will say right out "Gay" - and will always prefer bisexual or straight as the label") I have had some memorable experiences - good and BAD. The BAD are more from places like the Czech Rep, Slovakia and Hungary -- though I have met some amazing guys for these countries too who could be considered the gold standard for escorts.

 

In the late '80's and early '90's, if you hit the cruising bars in many Western European cities (and even more, the sauna clubs), they were filled with young, muscular, BelAmi types of guys (often in packs or groups) who would do pretty much anything for the $$ (though for many, kissing was off limits except for a peck on the cheek). The worst were the guys from the Balkans who seemed absolutely frightened to let anyone think they were gay, and would have a face that pretty much scared off all but the most desperate or waqnting to be dominated types (though one of my hottest sessions in a sauna was with a young 19-ish Albanian seaman in a nice sauna in Hamburg. He was the gayest Energized Bunny I ever met, though he told me repeatedly he wsas straight, and could not get enough cock from anyone - one of the all out hottest bottoms I ever enountered!!!)

 

In both the cruise bars and the saunas, these guys tried very hard to come across as badass straight guys doing this strictly for the money - but if you took your time, watched how they interacted with others in their crowd, you could find the guy who was more "gay friendly" and once you got his eye and you went off alone to play, he turned out to be fantastic. I really lucked out once and met a very hot muscular Hungarian who was playing big brother for a barely legal slim twink from his homeland; he convinced the twink to have sex with both of us, and it was not so bad, then after the twink left, he spent the night with me (for $100 - ah those were the days) and he did just about anything imaginable.

 

Times have changed, but I do agree with others here - some say "straight" as an advertizing ploy to appeal to men who consider themselves straight but only now delving into their other side, and who may feel less threatened by a guy who appears to be like them.

 

However, as I am older (and hopefully wiser), I prefer sticking with guys who are comfortably gay -- the majority of whom are not stereotypically effeminate (that trait turns me off completely), but who are comfortable in mutual sex. And my other litmus test is kissing - if they do not go there, I do not hire, period, no exceptions.

[Guest Merlin]

Here's the test. If Hal Rockland, looking as he did, were to announce that he is available for an affordable fee, who here would not give him a call. Or Brad Pitt, Channing Tatum, or whomever you admire at the moment. Go to the Gallery forum and scroll down most any thread. Most of the guys are straight. Find the one you like best. Would you give him a call? To me a smooth defined body is most important, and if he looks good enough I figure I can find someway to have fun.

[gtx1]

Ditto on everything Epigonos said!

[justaguy]

However, as I am older (and hopefully wiser), I prefer sticking with guys who are comfortably gay -- the majority of whom are not stereotypically effeminate (that trait turns me off completely), but who are comfortable in mutual sex. And my other litmus test is kissing - if they do not go there, I do not hire, period, no exceptions.

 

Adriano and I are on the same page, with the exception that I'm pretty sure I'm not that much wiser.

[leigh.bess.toad]

However, as I am older (and hopefully wiser), I prefer sticking with guys who are comfortably gay -- the majority of whom are not stereotypically effeminate (that trait turns me off completely), but who are comfortable in mutual sex. And my other litmus test is kissing - if they do not go there, I do not hire, period, no exceptions.

 

JAG may not be the wiser (although I don't believe it for a minut either) but I'm definitely the older part. But as far as kissing, you couldn't have said it any better. That is probably one of the most important things for me as well.

[Phil_musc]

One of the good things about finding this place is the discovery that my thoughts and feelings are not too different from others - at least that is true for the guys who post here. Adriano, you are so right about the guy being comfortably gay(although I have been with guys such as AJ - sadly not him yet - who would classify themselves as "sexual" without any kind of label and they proved to be fully engaged, present, and in the moment) and the guy needs to be comfortable with the kissing part (and there better be some tongue there). Otherwise this won't work for me either and all of my insecurity buttons will be pushed.

[dapurplebear]

Yeah, those guys don't fit the "gay for pay" model.

 

Chi Chi LaRue spoke about gay for pay in less than flattering ways over the years. His opinion is that they're really gay but won't admit it to themselves. The pay part is basically a permission slip to let them go where they want to go anyway without admitting anything.

 

Personally, I think Kinsey had it right. It's a sliding scale and few people are ever really stuck in one place on that scale if they're honest with themselves.

 

Deej -- totally agree about the scale -- though I have always thought that the absolutes (gay and straight) - are not at opposite ends but right next to each other -- think about it....:-)

[EZEtoGRU]

Here's the test. If Hal Rockland, looking as he did, were to announce that he is available for an affordable fee, who here would not give him a call. Or Brad Pitt, Channing Tatum, or whomever you admire at the moment. Go to the Gallery forum and scroll down most any thread. Most of the guys are straight. Find the one you like best. Would you give him a call? To me a smooth defined body is most important, and if he looks good enough I figure I can find someway to have fun.

 

Merlin is right here. I engage almost exclusively with bi or straight guys......whether I am paying or not. The place I am at in terms of finding a sexual partner, has been reached over time.....a journey, if you will. I have always been attracted to very masculine men. As time goes on, I have found it increasingly difficult to find gay men that meet the masculinity threshold I am looking for. For me at least, it is not about searching for the unattainable ...... and also not about harbouring any inner shame for being gay myself. It is pure an simply about masculinity and manliness.

[Guest]

Here's the test. If Hal Rockland, looking as he did, were to announce that he is available for an affordable fee, who here would not give him a call. Or Brad Pitt, Channing Tatum, or whomever you admire at the moment. Go to the Gallery forum and scroll down most any thread. Most of the guys are straight. Find the one you like best. Would you give him a call? To me a smooth defined body is most important, and if he looks good enough I figure I can find someway to have fun.

 

To me, nothing is more frustrating that having sex with a guy I find very hot, but who isn't interested himself. He might get hard if he's watching straight porn? I can't imagine showing a woman a good time. Yes, I supposed there are guys who are so hot I could have them just lie there and cum on top of them. But I'd much rather have a guy who isn't so perfect-looking, but who's really into having sex with me. I've had outrageously good sex with guys who aren't tens, but who've made me shoot 4 feet onto the headboard (yes, literally) just because they were totally turned on and knew how to turn me on. One of the worst escort hires I ever had was a guy I'd lusted after for years, and who was physically perfect in my eyes. When I was with him, I knew he wasn't into it, though, and I wasn't even able to reach orgasm! Talk about frustrating. I for one avoid having sex with those who present themselves as straight. It's just not the hot sex I'm looking for.