On the Net is free Game?

[Rod Hagen]

Wait one fucking minute here. If I'm to understand correctly from this morning's email section and the end of the DesertFatAssLover thread in the Deli, if there are pictures and information located ANYFUCKING WHERE on the internet that are similar to those that belong to an escort, linking to them, even if they contain private information about the escort, is not against the Message Center rules?

 

I.E. if I had a personal ad, or a modeling gig, or a priivate company of some sort, where there were pictures that either were the same as those I use for escorting, or were similiar enough, or contained information that seemed in keeping with my personality and desires, it would be acceptable according to the rules to say, "Hey look Chris Germundson is actually Rod Hagen, he runs a Doggie Greeting Card store on Melrose, and he DOES own an Akita already, here's a link to the store where you can see him reading a birthday card to his puppy"?

 

 

That is absolutely fucked. That cannot be the rules here.

[Rod Hagen]

Oh yeah and although this is besides the point, let me add that some of us with with tiny dicks can nevertheless totally pleasure those Fat Asses. Even if you are in the desert

[+ Lucky]

RE: tiny dicks?

 

They sure can work well. It's ain't the size, it's the style!:9

[Boston Guy]

>That is absolutely fucked. That cannot be the rules here.

 

Rod,

 

I've been arguing for respect for the personal privacy of escorts ever since the very beginning of M4M. It's been rather like whistling into the wind.

 

I see a very large difference between 'professional' escorts and guys who escort on the side once or twice a month to help pay for school, pay a few bills or just have some extra cash. And I believe that the privacy rights of even the 'professional' escorts should be respected, especially where their personal lives are concerned.

 

Now we have a client who's been outed on this site. The email that HB published was angry and I would have been unhappy to receive it. But I would guess that there's a history leading up to it. And, history or not, I think his real name should not have been published. Each person here should pause for a second and ask themself just how they'd feel if their real name and city were to be published here. That's not supposed to be part of the bargain for participating at M4M.

 

The Internet makes it possible to ferret out lots of information on almost anyone. That doesn't mean we should do it or that it's right to do it. Like others, I'm sure, I'm privy to lots of private info about a variety of escorts and masseurs. That doesn't mean I'd violate their confidences in a million years.

 

Guys who scam people, steal from clients, kick in clients' speakers, threaten clients, or are otherwise a danger should be exposed. But guys who are just trying to get along should be allowed to have a private life.

 

It reminds me of Martin Niemoeller's classic:

 

First they came for the Jews

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists

and I did not speak out

because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me

and there was no one left

to speak out for me.

 

If we allow or encourage privacy violations willy-nilly for others, or don't speak up in defense of a respect for other's rights, who will care about our own privacy or our own rights? We'll wake up one day in a society that doesn't care at all about privacy and that will be a damn shame.

 

BG

[+ deej]

Rod, the rules are what they are. If you're published, it's fair game.

 

Having said that, the rules also say this:

 

Personal information is extended to include other information about an individual that is beyond the scope of client or escort activities

 

I wrote much of the "rules" document but I did not write this part, although I wish I had. I endorse the idea fully.

 

Our INTENT is respect.

 

It's sad that respect is in such short supply around here, but there you have it. All I can really promise you is that I'll respectfully read your posts (as I do others) but if someone links to published material there's not much we can do.

 

Add to this mix unscrupulous webmasters who are freely "borrowing" (I'm being kind) content to make their sites look more full and we've got a recipe for bullshit.

 

We promise you have a voice here. That's what we're all about. We can't make that promise about everything that appears on the web, but if you've been misrepresented feel free to mouth off about it here.

[Guest 123]

>Oh yeah and although this is besides the point, let me add

>that some of us with with tiny dicks can nevertheless

>totally pleasure those Fat Asses. Even if you are in the

>desert

 

Not in the desert but I'm sure your "tiny dick" would give pleasure to my fat butt ;-)

[Guest Kalifornia]

That is life, huh.

 

Mark -Kalifornia

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

BG,

 

I'm with you generally, especially with the part time student escorts andd privacy issues in the broad but I have to differ on a point --

>

>Now we have a client who's been outed on this site.

 

IMO this client outed himself, period. While an email with a name was published there was no indication this name was real or a geogrpahical location to associate with it. I couldn't distinguish this guy from Joe Blow and I expect that no one else could either unelss they already new a lot about this individual from other sources.

 

Being pissed with HB and probably overeacting, he chose to lay more information out there including location, current screen name and prior screen name.

 

The

>email that HB published was angry and I would have been

>unhappy to receive it. But I would guess that there's a

>history leading up to it. And, history or not, I think his

>real name should not have been published.

 

I agree that would have been better but I think the real damage was done by the client's own hand in response.

[Rod Hagen]

Mark, do you know that you are that you were probably the one elementary school kid that even the teachers hoped would get his ass kicked?

 

You're just a dick, and a broken record. People bitch and moan, it happens. Are you going to chime in every time with the line: "That's Life"? That's fucking dull, knock it off.

[N.N.]

If an escort uses the same photo (or phone number, or email address)

in several places on the Internet, he shouldn't be too surprised

if someone makes the connection. If you publish something, it's

no longer private.

 

I appreciate Rod Hagen's concerns, and I think it's good practice

to refrain from posting non-escort-related information here.

But if an escort wants to keep a low profile, then he should be

careful about what he chooses to publish.

[Rod Hagen]

N.N., no he shouldn't be surprised because it was a lamebrain thing to do. HOWEVER the post that points to this information should be deleted immediately. That's the right thing to do, just because something is a "Rule" doesn't make it right. A stupid rule is just that, stupid.

[Flower]

>N.N., no he shouldn't be surprised because it was a

>lamebrain thing to do. HOWEVER the post that points to this

>information should be deleted immediately. That's the right

>thing to do, just because something is a "Rule" doesn't make

>it right. A stupid rule is just that, stupid.

"Rules make decisions easy, but rob them of wisdom."

~ John Fitzgerald Kennedy

 

You're in good company Rod. Thanks for speaking up.

 

Flower :*

[Rod Hagen]

I "definitely" meant Fair Game.

[+ deej]

>HOWEVER the post that points to this

>information should be deleted immediately. That's the right

>thing to do

 

So go log an alert on that message. Nobody has.

 

We haven't had an alert in weeks.

 

NOTE: if there are replies and an alert causes the message to be deleted, we'll probably delete the entire thread. It's a case of "be careful what you ask for, you just might get it".

[MiamiLooker]

I'd seen an escort a couple of years ago. He used his real first name. I happened to find him on the Florida Corrections website. I wasn't looking for him, but his name came up in a search list, and it was such an unusual first name I checked it out. It was the same guy. He had a drug offense, three burglary offenses as well as a grand theft offense. I certainly wouldn't have hired him (he came to my house) had I known of this. Aren't there going to be situations such as this where one's personal info may need to be brought to light?

[Rod Hagen]

Miami, you're at no greater risk from meeting an undisclosed criminal than we are. If you know of studies that show otherwise, please reveal them.

 

Yes you're the one who is paying and therefore may feel entitled to more disclosure than the person being paid, yet methinks the price associated with loss of privacy is too high. To turn KaliforniaMike's general attitude the other direction, it seems to be a case of "Buyer Beware"; stay on your toes. If he seems dangerous, get out, if he doesn't you're probably, but not necessarily, safe. Sucks doesn't it? I feel that way every time I meet a (paying) stranger in a dark hotel room. It's unnerving as hell. Such is the cost of charging I suppose.

[MiamiLooker]

Well, to answer your original question "On the Net is free Game?" I guess it is. Just read the post on the Mike Henson thread. You get his real name, his brother's name and even the city where his family lives....