Would YOu Go With An Escort Who Has Barebacked?

[+ Axiom2001]

Some escorts who fervently advertise at http://www.rentboy.com and http://www.rentmen.com and http://www.men4rentnow.com advertise as being willing to bareback. I AM NOT interested in barebacking in any way but would perhaps like to see some of the men who have.

 

If this were to happen and if I chose to bottom--I definitely would want these guys "suited/gloved."

 

Do you think I am at any risk in seeing these guys in my knowing that they have fucked with as well as without using condoms and/or dental dams? <I submit this to see how others think about the question!>

[Diverdan]

I would not knowingly go with an escort or anyother guy who is into barebacking, either as a bottom or a top. SAFE SEX only, and as has been pointed out in another extensive thread, there are a lot of other STDs that can and are transmitted in bb. I am sure you can find a lot of other guys that you will like who are not into bb.

[jimboivyo]

but how do you know for sure? If i had proof that the escort was openly bare backing, no, I would not want to see him. Its the same way I feel about escorts with HIV who don't disclose it to their clients. I don't care how safe we play because that's something you let your client know ahead of time. Why even take the chance? It doesn't matter how hot the guy is if he's capable of infecting you with a deadly disease.

[seaboy4hire]

I would not knowingly go with an escort or anyother guy who is into barebacking, either as a bottom or a top. SAFE SEX only, and as has been pointed out in another extensive thread, there are a lot of other STDs that can and are transmitted in bb. I am sure you can find a lot of other guys that you will like who are not into bb.

 

So you use a condome for oral sex? You do understand that you can get an std through oral sex.

 

Hugs,

Greg

[+ deej]

I feel certain I have had sex with escorts who have had bareback sex. Not knowingly, but the odds are strongly stacked in that direction.

 

It's an inherent risk in having sex with ANYONE (other than yourself).

 

Once you admit to yourself that it's likely, you can get on with yourself. The only way to avoid it is to give up sex entirely, and we all know nobody here is ready for that!

[Guest Merlin]

Accidents do happen, even with safer sex (it is never absolutely safe). So you increase your risk if you have sex with someone you know or suspect is positive. Of course, you should always assume his is positive and use safer sex. But you can further reduce the risk from accidents by avoiding guys you know or believe to be positive.

[instudiocity]

I feel certain I have had sex with escorts who have had bareback sex. Not knowingly, but the odds are strongly stacked in that direction.

 

It's an inherent risk in having sex with ANYONE (other than yourself).

 

Once you admit to yourself that it's likely, you can get on with yourself. The only way to avoid it is to give up sex entirely, and we all know nobody here is ready for that!

 

I know without doubt that I've engaged in sexual behavior with persons who had active STDs and were HIV+ or even had full-blown AIDS.

 

But I wouldn't voluntarily do it again. In the past, I have looked at an escort, seen him naked and suspected something was awry. At that point, while in fully erect preparedness, I packed my fantasies and went home.

 

One guy took his shirt off and his back was one huge rash of pimples. He claimed it was acne but he had no medication for it. We stopped. I paid him in full, and suggested he use the money at a walk-in clinic. I did say call me when you're healthy. I called him daily, leaving voicemails, reminding him to get to the clinic.

 

He called me later that week and thanked me for being so insistent. The doctor had diagnosed his malady, it was an STD. The doctors was required by law to report to the health department. The Health Deparment interviewed him to be sure he disclosed the STD to his sex partners, and asked for a list for them to follow up.

 

Nope, I ain't volunteering to have Unsafe Sex. And I'm not going to a session with my eyes closed either!

[JackTwist]

I feel certain I have had sex with escorts who have had bareback sex. Not knowingly, but the odds are strongly stacked in that direction.

 

It's an inherent risk in having sex with ANYONE (other than yourself).

 

Once you admit to yourself that it's likely, you can get on with yourself. The only way to avoid it is to give up sex entirely, and we all know nobody here is ready for that!

 

Well said, deej...I started to reply to the OP's question, then realized you had already expressed my exact thoughts on the matter. Right on!

[happyguy2]

I would never, ever,knowingly have sex with anyone into barebacking and I agree with instudiocity about STD's too. I would do exactly what he did. Now, with that said, I agree with most of the others that I may have hired a guy who had barebacked and didn't tell me - or with any other STD as well - but didn't tell me. All the more reason that I have become so cautious - because we just don't know. This may also be why I have, as I said in another thread, gravitated towards more erotic massage experiences than escort ones. But the moment I see something that looks like I could catch something, I would pay in full and be outta there without delay. It's just not worth it guys!

[josephga]

I would never, ever,knowingly have sex with anyone into barebacking and I agree with instudiocity about STD's too. I would do exactly what he did. Now, with that said, I agree with most of the others that I may have hired a guy who had barebacked and didn't tell me - or with any other STD as well - but didn't tell me. All the more reason that I have become so cautious - because we just don't know. This may also be why I have, as I said in another thread, gravitated towards more erotic massage experiences than escort ones. But the moment I see something that looks like I could catch something, I would pay in full and be outta there without delay. It's just not worth it guys!

 

 

Iv actually had allot of massage clients say the same thing. they feel more comfortable getting massages. in 10 years i never knew of anyone catching anything from a hand contact only massage or from a hand job

[instudiocity]

In 10 years i never knew of anyone catching anything from a hand contact only massage or from a hand job

Aren't Massage Therapists required to learn at least some basic hygiene and disease prevention information? I could see a massage table as a breeding ground for all things infectious if you didn't practice cleanliness...

[josephga]

we are under certain guidlines. Thats why you shouldn't hire a massage therapist thats not certified or licsense. I actually created my own process Right b4 each client I put sanitizer on the table and face cradle. then clean fitted sheets that are bleached and washed in hot water daily, then after the massage i sanatized the table and cradle again and i did this right in front of the client so they could see it being done. i also placed the amount of massage cream needed into a toss away container for each session without dipping into the main bucket.. any towels that i used to wipe the client down with were in a towel steamer until needed. they also were bleached. if a client showered i gave them hotel size soap still in its paper that was trashed after they left and the floor of the shower bleached

[+ Axiom2001]

I'm glad that I asked this question to see how others would address this. I have always used "safer sex"practices when having fun, for I am aware of the diseases that are out there when one doesn't. All of the men that I have seen since the advent of HIV/AIDS have also used "the glove" when being with me, too!

 

Barebacking DOES NOT INTEREST ME AT ALL. I only wanted to know if one knew in advance about the bb status of an escort, would he hire that individual.

 

Thanks, men for your responses. If others choose to respond, they are highly welcome, for I'd like to continue reading and thinking and applying salient advice.

[Guest greatness]

Well the problem is that some of those who say they play safe doesn't play safe at all. I don't think it is not fair for those who are honest should be penalized for being honest. I have seen many guys (I am not pointing anyone here) who say they play safe but bareback. Some people say they only top and play safe but with their friends they even bottom without a condom. If you are concerned about getting something always use condom. I have been with HIV+ guys and I played safe. I feel more comfortable with HIV+ guys than guys who lie about their status. It makes me mad that when a guy lies that he plays safe but doesn't at all. Trust me there are a lot out there. Kisses and hugs. Let's be open toward people with HIV who are honest about their status. Kisses and hugs~~~

 

Some escorts who fervently advertise at http://www.rentboy.com and http://www.rentmen.com and http://www.men4rentnow.com advertise as being willing to bareback. I AM NOT interested in barebacking in any way but would perhaps like to see some of the men who have.

 

If this were to happen and if I chose to bottom--I definitely would want these guys "suited/gloved."

 

Do you think I am at any risk in seeing these guys in my knowing that they have fucked with as well as without using condoms and/or dental dams? <I submit this to see how others think about the question!>

[Steven_Draker]

But you can further reduce the risk from accidents by avoiding guys you know or believe to be positive.

 

And what if you don't know, Merlin? ... Your risk increases again!

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Don't get me wrong, guys, I'm all for safe sex and I have contributed and volunteered for the AIDS cause for number of years. I'm all for openness and sincerity however with three threads about barebacking in the MC I have a feeling there's a witch-hunt going on ...

[Guest FTLdude]

If they state in their ad that they bareback I probably wouldn't hire them but the bb stuff alone wouldn't be the reason. I try to quickly get a sense of the bigger picture when I call them or based on reviews that others have written about them. What some people say in their ads may or may not be true. Its a game. And if you're gonna play you have to go in knowing that even 'safe' sex isn't entirely without risk---especially when you throw drugs, alcohol, and mental health issues like depression into the mix. But at the same time, the risk factors aren't all that great if you are consistent about protecting yourself. I approach anyone I have sex with as though they are HIV+ anyway, and I'm not overly apprehensive about it because the risk for HIV transmission among gay and bi men during sex has mostly to do with friction, shearing, and tearing of the membranes during unprotected butt sex or taking cum in your mouth if you've got cuts, etc on your gums or tongue. If you make the dude wear a good quality rubber during anal sex you should be ok. HIV is a blood disease. It needs a portal into the bloodstream of another person to cause a new infection. The point: you can play with anyone relatively safely. I don't believe that most escorts are any more risky to have sex with than the boy-next-door type guys on match dot com who claim to be monogamous and looking for a relationship. What people say and what they actually do aren't always the same things.

 

I also don't think that most guys who' know they're HIV+ will deny it if asked, and I imagine that the ones that indicate barebacking in their ads do so because they don't mind attracting a clientele that's looking specifically for that. The escort's assumption, I presume, is that if you're a client who's actively looking for bb sex you're probably HIV+ yourself or don't care about HIV status in the first place. I also suspect that at least some of the ones who say they are 'sometimes safe' are actually saying that they may be HIV+ but willing to rubber up and play safe if asked. I don't think this is at all bad or unreasonable. In fact, I give them kudos for being candid and allowing the client the option to choose or refuse. This is not church, its not grade school, and we're not children. As intelligent and consenting adults we can be as frank as we want to be when negotiating these things. If you're a client who's into safe play and you've got a raging hard-on for a bb escort that you just have to have---then, you need to know what to do and what not to do. Difficult to talk about these issues without sounding judgmental, but when it comes down to your own health its ALL about good judgment.

 

It seems as though most of the real professionals in this industry get tested regularly and are willing to show the paperwork to their clients. But, as others have said, HIV is just one of many diseases you can get, and I'm pretty sure that although many people occasionally get tested for HIV they don't usually also get a panel that includes testing for all the other stuff. Still, if all that you're going to do is bottom for the guy, and he wraps it up and uses plenty of lube, the risk of transmitting anything is greatly minimized. But once you're done, you're done. No afterplay with cum. No oral sex without a rubber. No kissing if you can see lesions, thrush, or sarcomas on his mouth (although these things may be inside the mouth or throat). No rimming if you can see chancres or warts (although some of these may also be inside). Suffice it to say that you're not going to have an awesome sexual experience with that escort if you spend all of the time being totally freaked out about catching some disease from him, and he won't like the experience either. If the thought of his bb past and all this 'safety' stuff de-eroticizes the experience in your mind then you've found the answer to your question. You can get a similar 'cold fucking' bottoming experience from any hot straight guy who probably won't let you kiss him on the mouth or play with his ass anyway. But I'm sure this isn't easy for the escorts either---especially the ones who only play safe and especially if you're a client that they're meeting for the first time. We expect them to be hot and disease-free with papers to show from a recent HIV/STD test, but we do not offer the same courtesy to them.

[adriano46]

I feel certain I have had sex with escorts who have had bareback sex. Not knowingly, but the odds are strongly stacked in that direction.

 

It's an inherent risk in having sex with ANYONE (other than yourself).

 

Once you admit to yourself that it's likely, you can get on with yourself. The only way to avoid it is to give up sex entirely, and we all know nobody here is ready for that!

 

I agree 100% with what Deej wrote here. I assume most of the escorts I hav e met have had unprotected sex with someone, somewhere, sometime (and even if not, I at least do not think any of them are 100% risk free). I am careful (and since I never bottom, and rarely top), my risks will all come from oral sex (and... an occasional {sigh - all to rare} rim job). I am asware too of the risks there, and have no illusions that anything I do is risk free.

[+ Shoreboy]

The way I look at this whole issue of barebacking is very simple.

 

While I own a lot of "things" in this world the only thing that is mine and mine alone is my life. I am fully responsible for my life and cannot blame others for my decisions. I cherish the number of days I have which is always the unanwered question of life.

 

Right now I am healthy and happy and content with myself and nothing is going to hnder that...therefore safe is the only way for me to go andeven though I play now and then when I have some disposable cash, there is no way I am going to risk my days on this Earth for an hour of fun...simply ain't worth it for me.

 

Recently I had a young, twink, gorgeous escort in DC and everything was going fine. He then asked me if I wanted him to top me and I was so horned up that I said yes. He moved me into position and was all set to park that gorgeous car of his in my over-sized garage but he did not put on a condom.

 

The heat was there and I debated but the debate was only mini-seconds when I asked him to cover up.

 

He looked at my aghast and said "look at me do I look sick?".

 

Plus he went onto say "well at my age even if I do get infected they will probably find a cure".

 

The rest of the session I felt like and old nun lecturing him about the dangers of unprotected sex, that cancer has been around for ages and no cure yet and finally getting a bit lofty I spoke to him about the value of his life and self-rspect and taking care of yourself.

 

He kept trying to change the subject since we had time left, but since it was my hour I told him I could use it as I wanted and this lecture was imoportant to me.

 

Did I get rhrough to him? Doubtful since you can always tell when someone's eyes glaze over and the listening skills go as soft as his dick....as well as mine did.

 

Safety is not an issue for me...it is a must.

 

Sadly so many of the young escorts are in this invincible mode and somehow, somewhere I hope someone gets through to them that life is too sacred to risk it all for one hour of sweat-drenched, rolling in the sack,

[RockHard]

Bareback is not worth the health risk.

 

There are some escorts who don't lie. There are some escorts who manage a successful career and maintain a high degree of self respect. There are some escorts who know the meaning of the word "professional." Hookers, hustlers, and con artists are a dime a dozen.

 

Perception is 99% of advertising. If evidence exists in the marketplace that you bareback, you will NEVER have the opportunity to change the perception. Your business will live and die by market perception, not by the truth.

 

I know a few escorts who have never had a sexually transmitted disease. It takes work but it is possible. But you can forget about any bareback fantasies.