Escorts who rim and kiss ?

[dcman]

Kissing is a must for me but I am very concerned when I find out the escort rims as well. From what I read deep kissing with an escort who rims dramatically increases the risk of acquiring stds from that person. Do any of you guys have personal experiences with this? I am new and really like my favorite escort a lot but he loves to rim and his reviews now reflect that as well. Any thoughts? Thanks.

[Michael Vincenzo]

Kissing is a must for me but I am very concerned when I find out the escort rims as well. From what I read deep kissing with an escort who rims dramatically increases the risk of acquiring stds from that person. Do any of you guys have personal experiences with this? I am new and really like my favorite escort a lot but he loves to rim and his reviews now reflect that as well. Any thoughts? Thanks.

 

If your favorite escort gives oral or gets oral from others, then the risk is the same. You can catch STD's from kissing and oral. I like to rim guys sometimes, but I don't guarantee that and it is always at my discretion. I consider what risks I am willing to take and I take responsibility for my choices.

 

When it comes to any intimate interaction, there are risks involved. So many people fear HIV, but that is the STD that is the most difficult to acquire. My best advice is to always use an antiseptic mouthwash after sexual interaction and to shower with soap and warm water. Even with those precautions, you are still at risk of acquiring an STD.

 

Being educated about STDs, getting tested regularly (not just for HIV), knowing the symptoms of all STDs, getting treatment once symptoms appear or even if you think you might have an STD, notifying past partners if you do find out you have acquired an STD, and abstaining from sexual contact until you are cleared if you test positive for an STD are all good practices to follow if you are sexually active (one partner or more than one partner).

 

Most importantly, you must be responsible for your own self. Nobody ever gives someone else an STD; they are always acquired because of your own choices (exception being rape).

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[rossthebosssf]

Thanks Michael. You took the poo right out of my mouth.

[+ Gar1eth]

Thanks Michael. You took the poo right out of my mouth.

 

Another tip I was given recently when I went in for my quarterly HIV test-- he said if you receive oral-- to urinate as soon after as you can to flush out the urethra. I have no idea if this has ever been studied as an HIV or other STD preventative measure-- but it's not hard to do-- so if there is even possibility it might work-- I'm going to (please pardon my expression) 'take a leak'. I usually need to anyway around that time.

 

Gman

[rossthebosssf]

Another tip I was given recently when I went in for my quarterly HIV test-- he said if you receive oral-- to urinate as soon after as you can to flush out the urethra. I have no idea if this has ever been studied as an HIV or other STD preventative measure-- but it's not hard to do-- so if there is even possibility it might work-- I'm going to (please pardon my expression) 'take a leak'. I usually need to anyway around that time.

 

Gman

 

Gman - I believe in what you're saying. Whenever I engage in any play I urinate immediately, use an alcohol based mouth wash and then I shower right away preferably with an antimicrobial soap. To date --knock on wood-- I have never contracted any diseases and I've been pretty sexually active for 30+ years.

[Steven_Draker]

Hi dcman and welcome to the Forum. I'm no doctor, but your question raised my curiosity about the risk of STDs from rimming. I googled it and here's what the specialist has to say:

 

Q: "What is the risk of STDs from rimming"

A: "Let's take the easy question first. Hand jobs. Masturbation is a NO risk event both for persons performing the act and those who are receiving it in terms of HIV, gonorrhea, chlamydia and traditional STD pathogens. There is a theoretical risk of syphilis or herpes but ONLY if the person has an active lesion on their hands, but not if they have touched a lesion and then gone on to use the same hand for masturbation.

 

With rimming, the major risk is for the person performing the act. Very little would be transmitted from the person performing analingus to the person receiving it. For the person performing the act, there is a small risk of getting gonorrhea and herpes if they don't have it and their partner does. There is virtually no risk of chlamydia. The other potential risk of analingus is getting a GI bacterial like salmonella or shigella which could then cause a diarrheal illness."

 

I think that if one has concerns about rimming and STDs - dental dams should be used.

 

 

Now, speaking of personal experience that involves only myself: I consider myself damn lucky because in the 8-9 years that I've been in this business I never had any STDs. I don't bareback and I'm always extremely careful when it comes to safer sex. It has to be my education and also all the hype in the beginning of the anti-AIDS campaign which had an enormous impact on me. Some call me "the Condom Nazi". It's important to get tested regularly. I just did last week and the results came as negative to all.

 

GET TESTED GUYS. KNOW YOUR STATUS. BE PROACTIVE.

[CowboyUp]

Great responses Michael V and Steven D. Thanks for taking the time to reply and educate me/us.

[AdamATL77]

It was to my understanding Hepatitis was another risk of rimming. There are vaccines for Hep A and B, but none of the others.

[Guest greatness]

I have seen a couple of people with STDs. They were not aware of it. Not to make a controversy here I am NOT referring to escorts or clients here. One guy had anal condyloma. He didn't know he had it because it was inside his anus. I accidentally(?) found it ( I'm not that naughty or into festish lol) and so I referred him to a proctologist. A lot of people are asymptomatic and don't know they have warts. Sometimes it goes away naturally without treatments.

[josephga]

imo everyone should get the vaccines for Hep A and B escort or not

[Michael Vincenzo]

It was to my understanding Hepatitis was another risk of rimming. There are vaccines for Hep A and B, but none of the others.

 

Hepatitis A (HAV) is spread person to person by putting something in your mouth that has been contaminated with the feces of a person infected by HAV. Rimming will definitely increase your risk of acquiring HAV. This virus can live outside of the body, but you can be vaccinated against HAV.

 

Hepatitis B (HBV) is a blood-borne and sexually transmitted disease that is spread in ways similar to HIV (direct contact with blood, semen, vaginal fluids), although it can also be spread in nonsexual ways. This one is pretty scary because the virus can live outside of the body, on any surface, for up to one month and is 100 times more concentrated in the blood than HIV. Ease your mind by getting the vaccination.

 

Hepatitis C (HCV) is spread when an infected blood from one person enters the body of another person. Although this can be spread sexually, it is not easily spread in this manner.

 

The good news, as AdamATL77 stated, is that you can be vaccinated against HAV and HBV. The HAV vaccine is one shot. The HBV vaccine is one shot, another 1 month later, and a third 6 months later. The one thing that I wanted to add here is that you should have the test annually to determine if the antibodies are still present in your body from the vaccine. A few years ago I needed to have a booster shot for the HBV because the test determined that I wasn't fully protected.

 

I have spoken to many people who were not aware there was a vaccine for HAV and HBV. I knew someone who became infected with HBV and it nearly killed him. He was out of work for a long time getting over it.

[josephga]

those shots arnt very expensive either

[happyguy2]

I want to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread. It is so important for us to be up to date and familiar with all these issues. Now that I travel so much, opportunities have increased but so many other factors, like time and fatigue, decrease my interest. In some ways, all this information seems to preoccupy me much more now that I am in my forties than it did when I was much younger! Thanks again guys, fantastic ....

[Guest greatness]

I agree..

 

Now that I travel so much, opportunities have increased but so many other factors, like time and fatigue, decrease my interest.

[Guest Tristan]

It was to my understanding Hepatitis was another risk of rimming. There are vaccines for Hep A and B, but none of the others.

 

Yes, that's correct. If you're going to rim, you should get vaccinated for both Hep A and Hep B. There is no vaccine for Hep C. The vaccines are expensive, but some subsidized STD clinics give free vaccinations. Some insurance companies also provide coverage for these vaccines. Hep A requires two shots. Hep B requires 3 shots. The shots are spaced at precise intervals.

 

If you've been vaccinated more than 10 years ago, you may want to be tested for antibodies. I discovered that I no longer had antibodies for Hep B and had to repeat the series of shots. It depends on the individual. There are no specific recommendations for this on the CDC web site.

 

For some unknown reason, one or both of the vaccines do not take in certain individuals. So you need to test for antibodies a few months later.

[Mark Gordon]

I enjoy kissing and being rimmed, but I do not enjoy kissing after being rimmed (the taste). I do not rim without a barrier. This is partly because I do not enjoy it and partly due to the risks. For those whose HAV & HBV vaccinations are up to date (free in Canada), the main risk is bacterial infections and I have known several escorts and others who caught quite nasty ones this way. I also usually use a condom for fingering because your fingers might later come into contact with your mouth, for instance while giving a blowjob. HCV is transmitted by blood-blood contact; this is possible during rimming if there is any bleeding in the mouth, but the sexual activities which pose the greatest risk are unprotected fucking, ungloved fisting, sharing unprotected sex toys and group sex where condoms are not changed between partners.

[uwsman2]

Once I met an escort with the cutest, most luscious-looking ass, and I was eager to try rimming with him. We both showered first and I fingered his ass pretty deeply with soap. Then I went to town on his ass with my tongue and had him writhing with ecstacy. It was great. Then two days later I started to feel vaguely ill and soon was weak and bed-ridden and throwing up and constant diarhea, and then diagnosed with amoebic dysentery and the doctor asked whether I had been vacationing in the tropics.

 

So, lesson learned.... no more rimming by me....

[Guest Merlin]

Studies, mostly in Africa show that guys who are uncircumcized are at higher risk for HIV. The skin of the head and inside the foreskin are extremely thin, and viruses on the skin can enter through microscopic scratches etc. The studies mostly related to vaginal sex by straight guys, but the principle should be the same. This suggests that uncut guys are at more risk during seemingly safer activities, such as mutual masturbation, if cum or precum can be transferred, and even receiving oral.

Other studies (again Africa) have shown that uncut guys who wash frequently may be at increased risk, apparently because the oil of the skin is technically an acid (free fatty acid), and acids are hostile to viruses. Obviously I suggesting going unwashed, but washing afterward with an alcohol or a mild acid such as vinegar or orange juice could not hurt.

[Guest greatness]

Parasites are another thing you should worry about especially when an escort just came back from abroad. Kisses and hugs~~~

[Steven_Draker]

 

GET TESTED GUYS. KNOW YOUR STATUS.[/color]

 

The following link might be helpful: http://www.localhivtesting.com/HIV.htm (different tests available for all types of STDs)

 

Also don't forget that you can get tested for HIV anonymously and free of charge at your local Gay and Lesbian Community Center and get the results immediately.

 

The HIV testing is at least once a year (ideally every 3 months)

[Guest FTLdude]

I'm no doctor...

 

Well then, let me add a little medical perspective to your post (which is a very good one, btw). On the whole, and depending on the hygiene and sexual history of the people involved, rimming can present risks for viral infections, bacterial infections, and protozoal infections. It is not true that there is no risk for chlamydia. If the person that you are rimming had unprotected receptive anal sex with a person who has chlamydia then he can get it from that person, and your performing a no-barrier rim job on him can transfer it to your mouth and throat. Same thing with gonorrhea, herpes, syphilis, HPV, hepatitis A (& possibly hep B also). What the expert said about syphilis isn't necessarily true if the infection is in the primary stage and the chancres are very, very small. Same thing with HPV if the infection is new and the warts are very tiny. I don't know how recent that expert's info is but it was a long ago when people used to believe that you have to have active herpes lesions to infect another person. More recent evidence no longer supports that belief. The problem here is that these days more and more gay men are having unprotected sex again, and not all of them will either volunteer this information or tell you the truth if you ask. So, its up to each individual to determinine for himself how much risk, if any, he's willing to take with the next stranger he hooks up with. I'm 100% with you about condoms and safe sex.

 

Even so, rimming isn't as bad as some people think. Most of the bacteria that comes out the back end of the GI tract are endogenous. They are native to the body and play a role in the digestive process, and do not generally cause infections unless they get into the bloodstream through a cut or into the urethra and bladder. In the same way, we have endogenous bacteria in our mouths and stuck to the tooth scrapings that we try to floss away every day. These bacteria are harmless in our mouths but they can cause serious infections if they end up in the bloodstream (i.e. during dental work). This may sound weird, but (among gay men) opportunities for infection with the exogenous bacteria that cause STDs are actually more common during cock-to-mouth oral sex, kissing, and unprotected penetrative anal sex than in rimming. Why? Sucking a cock involves a lot of friction between the oral mucosa and the recipients' dick, deep kissing also involves a lot of tongue friction, and of course fucking involves the most friction. Unlike other sex acts, rimming is usually not an act that results in trauma to the tongue or to the anal area.

[Guest FTLdude]

Another tip I was given recently when I went in for my quarterly HIV test-- he said if you receive oral-- to urinate as soon after as you can to flush out the urethra. I have no idea if this has ever been studied as an HIV or other STD preventative measure-- but it's not hard to do-- so if there is even possibility it might work-- I'm going to (please pardon my expression) 'take a leak'. I usually need to anyway around that time.

 

Gman

 

Urinating regularly can prevent urinary tract infections---that is, the urine flushes exogenous bacteria that try to go up the urethra of your penis back out of the passageway. Yet another reason its important to drink a lot of water and to take a piss every now and then. HIV and STDs are a different matter though. HIV, hepatitis C, and hepatitis B are blood viruses. They get into your body through cuts that allow them to enter the bloodstream. Once they're in, they're in. Hepatitis B is also found in body fluids, but the other STDs are spread through breaks in the skin or direct contact with infected tissue and body fluids on the mucous membranes---the glans of the penis, the anus and rectum, the mouth. Once contact is made and an infection occurs you can't wash it away. You've got it, baby!

 

You can't really be 100% sure that your client or escort is disease-free just because he says so or because he looks clean, or even because he shows you a piece of paper that indicates a negative HIV test and a negative STD panel. These things have a window within which they incubate in a new host, which can occur at any time between one STD/HIV test and the next. If you truly want to protect yourself and your clients then wrap it up. There are extremely sheer condoms that can be used for oral sex that don't feel or taste like latex. If you claim to play safe-only you should consider that unprotected oral sex is also unsafe sex.

[Guest FTLdude]

It was to my understanding Hepatitis was another risk of rimming. There are vaccines for Hep A and B, but none of the others.

 

Taking a vaccine for hepatitis B is a must for every escort. If you've never had the shot, get it. That virus has a very high rate of infection among gay and bisexual men. Getting the vaccine for hepatitis A is a waste of time and money. Hepatitis A is a very time limited bug. It gives you some nausea and diarrhea and then makes its way out of your system all on its on. It doesn't stay with you forever and attack your liver like hepatitis B &C

[Guest FTLdude]

One guy had anal condyloma. He didn't know he had it because it was inside his anus. I accidentally(?) found it ( I'm not that naughty or into festish lol) and so I referred him to a proctologist. A lot of people are asymptomatic and don't know they have warts. Sometimes it goes away naturally without treatments.

 

This is very rare. Codyloma accuminata is usually not totally asymptomatic---even when you can't see the warts. They slowly ooze a thin, colorless, slimy drainage that has a faint but distinct odor to it. People who have it will notice this drainage on their underwear. The drainage itself is clear, but it carries trace amounts of fecal matter out of the rectum with it so it stains the underwear with a light brownish color. The warts also itch. They begin as small, clustered lumps that grow slowly at first. Then they grow, and grow, and grow into large cauliflour-like objects. The bigger they get the more slime they ooze and the more they itch. They can get so big inside the anus that they begin to protrude outside of it. And if they are growing on the penis or mouth they can get quite unsightly. The key thing to note about these warts is that they are HIGHLY contageous. Touching them with your finger, dick, or mouth, will transfer the HPV virus through the membrane of the skin, and you can get the warts on those body parts, too.

 

As far as them going away without treatments, I don't know about that. In some people, the HPV virus clears itself out of their system on its own. But once warts begin to grow I don't know of any case where they shrink and disappear on their own. They have to be surgically removed by incision or cryotherapy, and in some cases the surgery has to be repeated once or a few more times because they have a tendency to grow back.

 

Guys, if you've never heard of HPV or condyloma acuminata Google it and see for yourselves that it is one of the nastiest STDs that you can get. Those warts can grow quite huge and they are very ugly. Most people don't know that there is a vaccine for HPV but there is. Whether you are an escort or a guy who hires, you should consider getting it.