Barebacking????

[Chuck50]

Now we have a health care professional advocating and promting Barebacking :

Finally, I was ready to mount... I started with Tod, who takes dick bare...Tod has a nice, DEEP, hole that can take a pounding... in short order, I had slid out of Tod, put a condom on, and was riding Ray's 'double-bubble-butt' hard... Ray can take a pounding and not whimper. Tod is more of an active bottom- getting into it, and asking me to pound him harder and shoot my load in his ass... Ray is more passive- he is there for you to fuck and isn't very verbal... I went back and forth between both holes, and finally shot my load deep into Tod's ass... after a bit, a felched my load out from Tod's ass and went back to fuck Ray's now gaping-open hole for a final time. Ray showered, got payed and left. Tod hung out a bit longer and got pounded once more... Tod LOVES dick, any shape or size.

 

You:

 

Doctor, married with 2 kids. I am of average build, 54 yrs. old, closet gay married man, hire BOTTOM escorts whenever I travel... Ray and Tod are a treat for ANY top visiting Chicago...

 

Don't know what is next???? This on Review tonite Todd Morgan and a doctor no doubt what next

[alanalt]

I'm not going to condemn 2 informed, consenting adults for what they choose to do in the bedroom/hotel room (it's hard, I admit but I'm not going to do it! ;-) )

 

The one non-consenting person in this picture that I really do feel sorry about is 'Mrs. Doctor' (of course, it's entirely possible that she's consenting after all and knows that her husband is gay and likes to fuck escorts who specialize in bareback scenes... no, that's too naive, even for me! ;-) )

 

PEOPLE!!!x(

 

Alan

[Candyman]

I agree, what he does on his own time is nobodys business. But I feel sorry for not only Mrs. Doctor and her family but, all the people that this man is responsible for their own health care. Barebacking and felching give me a break. Why not just put the gun to your head and get it over with quicker!

[ManHoleNC]

Observation.

Why are we so quick to "not" comment on the activities of two consenting adults? When barebacking is not challenged it seems to me taht we are ignoring the greater threat to us all with this practice leading to mutations of the virus. Am I wrong here?

 

Don't we all have a responsibility here? Those infected, those not, and those who don't give a damn?

[Guest Kenny021]

>Observation.

>Why are we so quick to "not" comment on the activities of

>two consenting adults? When barebacking is not challenged it

>seems to me taht we are ignoring the greater threat to us

>all with this practice leading to mutations of the virus. Am

>I wrong here?

 

NO....you are absolutely correct.

>

>Don't we all have a responsibility here? Those infected,

>those not, and those who don't give a damn?

 

NOT condemning it equals acceptance...which could be interpreted as promoting. Why this goes on absolutely astounds me. Using "free choice of consenting adults" as an excuse for refraining from comment is ridiculous.

Hundreds of thousands of guys have DIED horrible deaths from AIDS because of "barebacking". Twenty years of actively campaigning for "safer sex" is being ignored and thrown out the window because someone is afraid to be accused of not being "politically correct". "It's nobody's business" IS NOT acceptable. Come on!

[Flower]

>>Observation.

>>Why are we so quick to "not" comment on the activities of

>>two consenting adults? When barebacking is not challenged it

>>seems to me taht we are ignoring the greater threat to us

>>all with this practice leading to mutations of the virus. Am

>>I wrong here?

>

>NO....you are absolutely correct. ,,,,,,,,

>>Don't we all have a responsibility here? Those infected,

>>those not, and those who don't give a damn?

>

>NOT condemning it equals acceptance...

Twenty years of actively

>campaigning for "safer sex" is being ignored and thrown

>out the window because someone is afraid to be accused of

>not being "politically correct". "It's nobody's business"

>IS NOT acceptable. Come on!

 

kenny021 and ManholeNC, say it very well, but it is such a basic issue that I can't imagine Alanatl and Candyman showing such indifference to it. If these 2 consenting adults were BF and/or exclusive, then sure, the decision is theirs. But that's not what we are talking about here--far from it. First we have an escort that will soon be HIV+ if not already, if he is letting others do the same thing, and there is nothing to suggest that he isn't. We also have a healthcare worker, and if he is as callous with his patients as with his escorts, then god help them. You've mentioned the wife and family, and I'd bet there is a 99% chance they don't know and she is in danger of infection. These things are obvious, but there is a BIGGER ISSUE here. That is the need of all responsible people to condemn dangerous and life threatening behavior of this sort advertised on a public forum for others to read and possibly partake in. Even the responsible members of the porn industry have stopped showing BB for god sakes, so are we to do less?

 

It's not like we casually find out 2 strangers are BB--hey, it's none of our business, right? But here one of them has announced it on a public forum, and as such, responsible members of the forum should let him and the others know it is not safe, nor condoned nor right in the situation described. The escort/reciever is likely to have multiple sex partners in a day, and if unprotected, then presents a very real danger to many times that amount--he fucks 10, nd each of them fuck 10--you get the picture. Sometimes it's like pissing in the wind, however, and you wonder if the message ever gets through. I have a very dear friend, who was an escort/student and occasionally allowed "clients selected as safe" to BB and shoot--he is now POZ and a real tragedy--he no longer is pursuing his medical career and was on the verge of giving up under the impact of his sero conversion. So yes, CONDEMN unsafe and dangerous behavior like that described in the review.

 

If the john wrote in the review that he paid the escort enough money to get him to play Russian Roulette with him, with the escort taking the barrel end 12 of the 13 trigger pulls, I suppose that would just be "between 2 consenting adults?" Anyway, just my thoughts on social responsibility :+

 

Flower :*

[taylorky]

>Barebacking and felching give me a break.

 

almost scared to ask but.........what the hell is felching???????

[alanalt]

>>Observation.

>>Why are we so quick to "not" comment on the activities of

>>two consenting adults?

 

Because it's their CHOICE (damnit!) I'm sorry but everytime somebody advocates that we should give up individual choice for 'the greater good' I feel us moving closer to a Police State.

 

 

>NO....you are absolutely correct.

In YOUR opinion, of course.:-)

 

>>Don't we all have a responsibility here? Those infected,

>>those not, and those who don't give a damn?

I will take responsibility for my actions. In the case of sexual intercourse, the decisions, responsibility for those decisions, and consequences rest equally between me and my partner(s). Note that I said partner(s) because in my view, 'Mrs. Doctor' is equally involved in the last part (and should therefore be involved in the first two as well). If you want to get involved in providing information to help me make those decisions, fine! But the actual decision regarding MY sexual practices is not yours to make.

 

>NOT condemning it equals acceptance...which could be

>interpreted as promoting.

Oh puhleease... There was nothing in my message that can be in any way interpreted as promoting bareback sex. In fact, by bringing up the possible consequences to 'Mrs. Doctor', (which I was the first to do) I would argue the reverse is true!

 

Twenty years of actively

>campaigning for "safer sex" is being ignored and thrown

>out the window

Well, if a doctor and a sex-trade worker are engaging in these practices, then it's pretty obvious that they have analyzed the risks and have decided to proceed anyways. If you think that an education campaign can possibly acheive anything more than making people aware of the consequences of their decisions you're fighting a pretty serious delusion!

 

>because someone is afraid to be accused of

>not being "politically correct".

You don't know me; so how can you know my motivation? Actually my motivation has nothing to do with 'politcal correctness' (as I understand the term, anyway), it has to do with the simple fact that as a gay man I am sick of having my 'lifestyle' judged by a predominantly heterosexual world. So no, I don't have the stomach (or hypocrisy, if you prefer) to do unto others...

 

>"It's nobody's business" IS NOT acceptable. Come on!

I never said it was 'nobody's business' I just said it wasn't MY business!:-)

 

Since I'm not going to post on this thread again, I want to leave you with a few general comments so you know where I stand on the issue in general. The is no such thing as safe sex (except masturbating alone). All there is after that point is safer sex. Where someone draws the line after that is a matter of indivdual choice, IT"S GOT TO BE. Whether you use a condom for anal sex, or for oral sex as well (along with any other activities, such as rimming) should be based (ideally) on your educated assessment of what the relative risks to you and your partner(s) are.

 

Now the two gentlemen discussed go way beyond my personal limits but (in my mind) that doesn't give me any 'moral high ground' from which to 'condemn' them. But then, that's just my opinion too!:7

 

Alan

[+ deej]

>>Barebacking and felching give me a break.

>

>almost scared to ask but.........what the hell is

>felching???????

 

Felching is eating cum out of a freshly fucked ass.

 

I'm very proud of the comments on this thread. Not at all surprised to read about Tod Morgan barebacking since he's been ADVERTISING as a bareback bottom for several years. I'm EXTREMELY proud (but not surprised) to read that my buddy Ray required a condom.

 

I support individual freedom of expression, and if someone wants to have unprotected sex it really IS their choice. But I don't think it should be condoned or glorified. I also don't think it should be censored. We can't erase stupidity by ignoring it.

 

It has somehow become "cool" in some groups to be poz. It's even more cool if you're the gift-giver, for some.

 

But knowingly giving someone an STD is NOT a cool thing to do. *ANY* STD. I just can't imagine someone begging "hey, would you please give me syphilis?" and yet there are "conversion" parties all over the country where guys knowingly bottom for any and all HOPING to convert.

 

IT IS NOT COOL TO BAREBACK. The only way the message will sink in is to keep repeating it, often and LOUDLY.

[BuckyXTC]

I appreciate this thread because it does raise some interesting issues.

 

Alan certainly makes a good point about "no safe sex beyond masturbation." And what good would it do to "ban" or outlaw barebacking? We all know how effective the drug laws are in stopping people from getting high. I'm all in favor of minimizing the risks of disease transmission, and as much as I would like to think people would respond to a "just say no to dangerous sex practices" campaign, human nature doesn't tend to work that way. We know smoking causes cancer, yet people still smoke. I think what is in play here is the notion that cancer, or HIV, or a host of other ills, is something that happens to other people, but not us. We hope or pray that we won't be affected, but in the end, we're rolling the dice. Yes, I'm all in favor of doing what can be done to lessen risks. I'm not interested in having sex with those who are into barebacking, but since they don't have a scarlet B branded on their foreheads, how can you know other than what they tell you, and do you want to rely on that?

 

Sex with a partner needs to be seen for what is is: a risky proposition. Each individual has to assess whether or not that is a risk worth taking.

 

I do have a lot of respect for those escorts who have chosen to share their HIV+ status publicly, as well as those who have chosen to stop escorting for the same reason. I respect them because they've made a principled decision.

 

As for the doctor engaging in barebacking and felching, that may be his right to do it, but I'm not inclined to have much faith in his judgment, medical or otherwise.

[Guest RossInPA]

And what about escorts who want to bareback a client as a top? This has happened to me twice with two different escorts who each have at least a dozen great reviews on this site. Neither one advertises as a bareback top. One is a top and one is versatile.

 

I had seen each guy once before, and on our second meeting each one wanted to top me without protection. They each said they were negative and that they'd pull out before cuming, but I didn't want any part of this dangerous activity.

 

Maybe this isn't really barebacking. When guys have unprotected sex and the top pulls out before he cums, is this barebacking? Or must the top cum inside his partner for it really to be barebacking?

 

I was surprised. This wasn't what I was looking for in being with an escort, and didn't expect this from two different escorts who have gotten such great reviews. And none of these reviews ever said anything about this! These are two great guys who seem to be smart, but nevertheless were willing to engage in some rather risky behavior that at least I wasn't comfortable with doing. Like someone else said on this topic, the only safe sex is mastrubating by yourself, and everything else involves some risk. But this was more risk than I was willing to accept.

 

And what if there's a boyfriend involved? He knows his partner is escorting, but does he know his partner is doing this with certain clients?

[ManHoleNC]

I have several very dear frieds who are positive and I am sure I have engaged in sex (protected of course) with some positive esocrts or partners...so I am not condeming anyone who is positive.

 

The part about us all taking some responsibility for the common good of the group is part of living in a civilized world. We all give up some rights to have order instead of chaos. We all pay taxes to establish the delivery of community services and defense...wo we each are called upon to give up some small items for the common good.

 

Those who advocate barebacking will continue to do so and I am not going to change anyone's mind. I am not even condeming them...I am just asking us all to realize that when we as a community engage in this activity we cannot pretend that it has no consequences for either the individuals or the collective group. If the individuals could isolate themselves and have the consequences fall upon them only then I guess I could have no complaint.

 

However, when the virus is mutating itself and people are being re-infected with new and resistive strains then the reality is that funds that could be going to treatment and research are watered down to back up and "waste" on mutated strains. Just a fact, not a judgement. Also, to the degree that we spend money on AIDs and not on other things like breast cancer research, feeding or educating the poor, we must understand that we are diverting funds to this important cause. One that is worthy of the diversion...but the price should be a respect for the entire situation and the willingness to make some relative minor sacrafices for the collective good of the world's community of all people.

 

Not condeming anyone or activity...just shining some light on the issue and stating that we are not isolated as individuals in this fight.

[+ deej]

>And what about escorts who want to bareback a client as a

>top?

 

If you're the bottom, you and only you control what goes in that hole.

 

Period.

 

>And what if there's a boyfriend involved? He knows his

>partner is escorting, but does he know his partner is doing

>this with certain clients?

 

Why does either partner have to be an escort?

 

Unless you know him really damn well, assume your BF is out fucking around. Men do that, you know. ;-) He doesn't have to be an escort. And the escort's BF who *doesn't* escort might spend his evenings fucking around at bathhouses while his partner is working. (I actually know a couple like this.)

 

The question of being an escort really has no proper context in discussions of safer sex. Sex is sex. If YOU want to have safer sex, YOU can bring it about. But nobody else can bring it about for you.

[Flower]

>The part about us all taking some responsibility for the

>common good of the group is part of living in a civilized

>world. We all give up some rights to have order instead of

>chaos. We all pay taxes to establish the delivery of

>community services and defense...wo we each are called upon

>to give up some small items for the common good.

 

>However, when the virus is mutating itself and people are

>being re-infected with new and resistive strains then the

>reality is that funds that could be going to treatment and

>research are watered down to back up and "waste" on mutated

>strains. Just a fact, not a judgement. Also, to the degree

>that we spend money on AIDs and not on other things like

>breast cancer research, feeding or educating the poor, we

>must understand that we are diverting funds to this

>important cause. One that is worthy of the diversion...but

>the price should be a respect for the entire situation and

>the willingness to make some relative minor sacrafices for

>the collective good of the world's community of all people.

>

>Not condeming anyone or activity...just shining some light

>on the issue and stating that we are not isolated as

>individuals in this fight.

 

Again, well said. I really think many are missing the real issue here--at least for this thread. First, I don't think anyone here as advocated making BB illegal if that were even possible. So regulation is not the issue. Deej says the argument shouldn't include "escort" in it's context, and maybe he's right--certainly correct on a larger scale than this thread, but his thread started with a client/escort review that was published on this web site--so aside from the fact that probably (I said probably) the escort is likely to have many more sex partners than most, and present a greater danger, the escort IS already involved.

 

Most moral conduct is not regulated, but based on commonsense, the good and will of the community, and the fear of being criticized if not maintained. I feel that as responsible men here, we DO need to show our disapproval, if only to influence a few. It might make escorts and clients more responsible, or at least keep them from publicly beating their chest about it, as was done here. Those were facts that could have been left out, but on the other hand, I am glad they were included, since I at least, now have information that helps me decide whether to use the escort or not. But again, it's our responsibility as members of the M4M community, to voice disapproval, if for no other reason than to stand up and be counted and hopefully dissuade a few from playing Russian Roulette.

 

Flower :*

[+ deej]

>possible. So regulation is not the issue. Deej says the

>argument shouldn't include "escort" in it's context, and

>maybe he's right--certainly correct on a larger scale than

>this thread, but his thread started with a client/escort

>review that was published on this web site--so aside from

>the fact that probably (I said probably) the escort is

>likely to have many more sex partners than most, and present

>a greater danger, the escort IS already involved.

 

I agree completely. The question I was responding to was "what about an escort with a non-escort BF?" -- honey any BF is at risk here, escort or not. The BF might be having a fling with a doctor (certainly possible based on the review that spawned this thread).

 

I know you know this, I'm just being clear. I'm not saying that being an escort isn't a higher risk. It *is* a higher risk and the guys willing to safely take the risk deserve boatloads of respect. But having bareback sex with another man doesn't require him to be an escort to make it high risk behavior.

 

If you boil it down to its simplest interpretation, assume everyone you have sex with is either a slut or an escort (they're having sex with YOU, after all ;-)) and proceed accordingly.

 

Play hard, but play safe. Live to populate all the old fags retirement homes and piss off the moral majority! :+ I wanna chase the cute (male) orderlies in my wheelchair! ;-)

[Guest ncm2169]

I'll throw in my two cents here. I'd had like my first sip of coffee this AM when I read that review and I swear I read it 3 more times, rubbing my eyes to see if I was reading correctly. I can write off the escort's willingness (desire) to BB as a stupid, probably desperate attempt to "carve out a niche". But the fucking scumbag who matter of factly reports that he is (a) a doctor, and (b) married with kids, deserves as much public scorn and pillorying as all of us here can muster. He's nothing but a fucking immoral hedonist who should summarily have his license to practice revoked.

 

I loudly protest the PC police here and anywhere else they seek to tell others how to live, think, act, talk, walk, eat, exercise, or have sex, and I'm not joining them when I strenuously agree that all sane people should speak out against barebacking and help continually educate against it...I totally accept the individual's right to make choices (hopefully informed ones), but I'm in no way constrained from helping that individual understand the risks of his/her choices.

 

So, ya, I'm still pretty much a "live and let live" kinda guy. But this doc, for chrissake, unless he's a TOTAL moron (it's possible) ;-), is knowingly playing "live and let DIE."

 

Reminds me of a doc here in town (metro area) about 10 years ago...sort of a "prominent" doc ("good church-going family man") who became poz and somehow the media learned of it...the dude's pics were all over the papers and TV for weeks, and it was reported (and the doc admitted) that he had advanced AIDS (he attributed it to an "unfortunate" accident involving blood transfer with a patient). The media bought it hook line and sinker (this was, after all, in about 1992).

 

One day I'm cruising at the then "hot" anonymous spot (bookstore), and I recognize this guy there as the doc. I watched as at least 15 guys went either into the next booth (with a glory hole), or into his booth, and in all cases the "foot stance" was the same...the doc was fucking the guys.

 

His obit was in the papers a few weeks later.

 

Fucking total self-serving, self-absorbed, hedonistic, irresponsible, immoral, uncaring, selfish, bastard. May he seriously ROT IN HELL!