Homophobia on M4M

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

Where to begin. Where to begin.......

 

Let's just start at the top, shall we?

 

>What I want to write about here is no

>joking matter for any man – whether he calls himself gay,

>bi, straight, or all of the above – who has sex with other

>men.

 

I'll be the judge of that.

 

Frankly, anyone at the outset who says that humor has no place has lost me. There can be NOTHING in life that's taken so seriously that laughter is not welcome - be it breast cancer or even 9/11. Somewhere, somehow, we have to find a light spot because if we totally surrender to the dark we should just hang it up. Staring adversity in the face and laughing at it is our best revenge.

 

That, and looking good.

 

 

>On a thread started by Fin Fang Foom in the Deli, Rick

>Munroe has posted the following questions: "Do we really

>need fag-bashing jokes on this site?

 

For those of you who missed it, this is what got Rick's knickers in a twist:

 

We reached the corner and were standing next to Tony and his friends when he opened his mouth to speak. Not only did a purse fall out, but the entire handbag department of Bergdorf Goodman. It was truly shocking since the guy looks so rough and tough. The only redeeming thing was that he didn't strike the "teapot posture" while he was talking. If he had, I would have pushed him into oncoming traffic, just to put him and us out of our misery.

 

When I wrote that, I knew it was red meat for the politically correct cyber-wolverines of this board. And as I expected, the usual suspects tore into it like Bill Clinton at an interns convention. Anyone who thinks that was meant as anything other than a joke is either seriously disturbed or demented. I knew that "adversaries" would see it for what it was but, clouded by their bizarre hatred of me, hold it up as an example of how FFF is a gay basher. I have one word for that: yawn.

 

 

>None of us chose his parents, or where he was born, or when.

>None of us chose his sexual orientation. Yet each of us

>was conditioned from birth by powerful attitudes about

>"masculinity" and "femininity" already deeply ingrained in

>our families and in the culture that surrounded them.

 

 

OK, stop. You've lost me. It sounds really nice but it makes no sense whatsoever. None of us chose our parents or sexual orientation.........yet. "YET"? Yet what? What does one thing have to do with the other? The two thoughts are absolutely unrelated. If your argument were that by virtue of our homosexuality we innately overcame the prejudices of the families we were born into, then it might make slight sense. But that's not what you are saying. In fact, I don't know WHAT you're saying.

 

 

>Those attitudes not only molded the way we learned to understand

>other people, they were among the most important categories

>in which we came to know and value ourselves, for better or

>worse.

 

See? You continue on the same track and it makes no sense. Our families molded our sensibilies and our values. What does that have to do with not being able to chose our families, etc.?

 

 

>We have traveled over an infinite variety of paths

 

Actually, the paths are finite. (Sorry, that was catty, I know.)

 

 

>For all but a few of us,

>the journey itself has been more painful and more difficult

>than most are able to acknowledge.

 

For sake of full disclosure, I never went through all the drama of coming out. For me, it was no big deal. My family didn't disown me. My friends didn't abandon me. It just wasn't, and isn't, an issue for me. That doesn't mean I don't understand where people are coming from, I do. However, there are many in the gay community who just won't let it go. "Oh, it was horrible being gay and living in Montgomery, Alabama. You just don't KNOW!" I know. I know. Life sucks and then you live. Release and move on. If you don't, you're gonna be one of those queens no one wants to sit next to at dinner parties.

 

 

>One of the reasons gay

>men can be both so funny and so vicious is because they have

>suffered so much.

 

VICTIMHOOD! Where would we be without it?!? It's all about suffering, isn't it? Us and Judy.

 

 

>we have the moral

>obligation to root out homophobia in ourselves and to point

>it out in each other.

 

Ooooooooo, this is walking that fine line of being judgmental - and we know how the gay community feels about THAT, don't we class?

 

 

>Make no mistake about it: the moral agenda of homophobia is

>to kill gay and lesbian people, or at least to diminish in

>every possible way the quality of their lives.

 

Make up your mind, which it is? If you're going to argue a point, pick one. Are they trying to murder us or just piss us off? (By the way, isn't it an "immoral" agenda or should be view that as a Freudian slip?)

 

 

>Homophobia tries to murder gay and lesbian people outright, either

>directly as in the case of Matthew Shepherd or indirectly in

>every suicide over sexual despair. When it fails that way,

>it besets us through clinical depression, through alcoholism

>and other kinds of chemical dependency, through addictions

>to food and sex, through compulsive spending, through the

>remorseless obsession with trying to keep our bodies young,

>and through all other forms of behavior that play out, in

>real time and space, the fight-to-the-death in which the

>soul of every gay man I have ever met has struggled and

>continues to struggle.

 

OMG!! Let's ignore that it's an excruciatingly long and incoherant run-on sentence and try to discover what's actually being said here! Let me get this straight: if homophobia can't actually kill us, then it makes us depressed, alchoholic, crack addicts who are constantly stuffing Twinkies in our mouths (and cocks up our asses) while maxing out our charge cards on trainers and days of beauty at Elizabeth Arden, right? Now that I've gotten the joke out of the way, I'll grant you that there are some guys who aren't comfortable with being gay and therefore they compensate other ways. But I wouldn't necessarily call that "homophobia". I think most of the guys who aren't comfortable being gay are in fact, just not comfortable being THEMSELVES and they use the gay thing as a crutch. But this is something for those with psychology diplomas to argue.

 

 

>Therefore, when on our life's path we come to an oasis, like

>M4M, blooming in the desert of public hostility

 

 

Please please PLEEEEASE tell me you meant that as a joke! Right? M4M is many things, but let's be crystal clear about one thing: it is NOT a blooming oasis in a desert of public hostility.

 

(Insert sound of a cat coughing up a furball)

 

 

>We have won the right to

>be free from the fear of being attacked, of being abused, of

>being ridiculed, of being humiliated and belittled simply

>because of the "style" in which we live our gay lives.

 

Maybe I missed this bit of Breaking News on CNN, but what are you talking about? What is this "right" we have won? When did we win it? How did we win it? Who won it for us? Are you sure this didn't occur in that parallel universe where Spock has a goatee?

 

 

>Contemptuous, abusive remarks about the manner of other gay

>men – or about their age or physical condition -- are not, I

>think, simple expressions of preference or personal taste.

 

You know what? Even Freud said that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. However, when one worships at the altar of victimhood, it's hard to see things otherwise. My sympathies.

 

 

>To the contrary, they are actions of public immorality in

>the strictest sense. Such actions ought not to be

>prohibited or banned, and not only because of First

>Amendment considerations; they provide vivid evidence of the

>degree to which gay men have learned to hate themselves and

>each other.

 

Has it ever occured to you, or the others like you, that when one gay man has a dislike for gay man it has nothing to do with self-hatred? If you haven't noticed, there are some nasty faggots out there. (And no Donnie, I'm not talking about you, although........)

 

 

>On that view, we should read threads like the

>one regarding an "effeminate" Miami escort as a clear

>indication of how far some of us still have to travel.

 

Or maybe, we should read posts like the "effeminate" Miami escort as a BUYER BEWARE thread. For those of you who aren't familiar with his pictures, he is this rough and tough latino with a huge uncut cock. He advertises as a top and has lots of tatoos. In his pictures he's always scowling. If I were a bottom, and I'm not, and I were looking for a butch top to come over and fuck me until I bled like a butchered sow, I would seriously consider, based on his pictures, hiring Tony. However, imagine my shock and horror, while my ankles were up around my ears, when big butch Tony opened his mouth and out came Richard Simmons. Frankly, I would think those pictures were false advertising. Maybe I'm wrong, but if you're gonna look like a thug for your "job", I think you should sound like one too. My thread was purely anecdotal, but of course, others read a more sinister agenda into it. Once again: yawn.

 

 

>At the same time, we ought to condemn such threads outright for

>the hateful, destructive, and vicious force they unleash in

>a place that, one hoped, was secure.

 

EVERYONE, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!! A "VICIOUS FORCE" HAS BEEN UNLEASHED!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

>Rick Munroe is a man of many virtues.

 

Oh do tell.

 

 

>On his own initiative

 

He's such a self-starter, that one.

 

 

>and with the willing cooperation of many members of this

>board, he mostly shows us his virtues as an erotic

>entertainer.

 

Oh, is THAT was Rick is now? An "erotic entertainer"? Last time Rick opined about himself, he called himself a "dumb whore"? Do you think he calls himself that because, deep down, he hates himself? This man of many virtues.

 

 

>Every now and then, though, he reveals

>something that is not only deeper, but will probably prove

>to be longer-lived than his interest in being an escort.

 

Wait. Now I'm confused. A moment ago he was an "erotic entertainer". Could someone please stop this thread? I wanna get off.

 

 

>In my view, he provides an inestimable service to this site

>when he calls our attention to the hypocrisy into which our

>sexual desires can seduce us.

 

Can you please share an example with us of whatever it is you just said?

 

 

>I fully and, as you can see,

>enthusiastically support his condemnation of any thread that

>simply reinforces the stereotypical prejudices that have

>hurt, and even killed, thousands and thousands of gay men

>and lesbians.

 

"Thousands and thousands"? Since when? The dawn of time? Last year? Last century? Where? You repeatedly fall into the hyperbole trap and when you do that, the credibility of your argument is hurt. Please stick to facts.

 

 

>It is shameful – there's no stronger word –

>that such filth has been littered on this ground.

 

HOUSEKEEPING!!!!!!!

 

 

>Thanks, Rick, for speaking out. When a youthful,

>intelligent, and verbal gay escort raises an ethical alarm

>on this site, each of us should sit up, take notice, and

>have a good, long look in the mirror.

 

Slow curtain. The End.

 

Listen, I understand, I think, the point that Will is painfully trying to make and I don't totally dismiss it. However, when an argument is cloaked in victimhood you've lost me. Is it tough being gay? It depends upon where you live. In NYC, it's a walk in the park most of the time. If you're living in Pohdunk, USA then it's dicier. However, if you don't like it there: MOVE! But if you want to stick around and try to make a change in Pohdunk then be prepared for what that will cost you. America loves a winner - that's spelled w-i-n-n-e-r, not w-h-i-n-e-r. If you're going to argue your case talk about what you have to offer and not how everyone is mean to you and hates you and wants to kill you and blah blah blah. And because everyone hates you, there should be a law/right that says everyone is nice to you.

 

Let me tell some of you something: it would be better if alot of you went back INTO the closet because your carping and whining isn't helping our cause. Our cause needs well-spoken adults and not "victims" who enjoy banging their spoons on their civil rights high chairs.

 

I don't feel like spell checking my screed so it there are typos, get over it.

 

Lovingly yours,

 

FFF

[taylorky]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

hey guys i have to say it again.you really have to like this guy's style.hell i'm a bleeding heart left wing kneejerk (hope i didn't leave anything out)liberal,and i sure as hell don't agree with a lot he says ...........but damn he says it well.

[Guest alanm]

It's about 7:15 PM on Friday and I note that this thread's title has been changed to Fin Fan Foom & Homophobia on M4M by Mr. Foom himself,

of course.

 

Will,

 

Great posting, glad you spent the time needed to write it!

[Donnie]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

What a lengthy piece of crap that ultimately says nothing. Someone needs to push FFF into ongoing traffic and put HIM out of his misery.

 

taylor -- haven't read much in your short life, have you? What FFF writes is called "drivel".

[BigD]

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>What a lengthy piece of crap that ultimately says nothing.

>Someone needs to push FFF into ongoing traffic and put HIM

>out of his misery.

 

It appeared to me that Will was asking us to treat each

other with respect. It is odd that you hatefully respond

to FFF, and Taylor. Perhaps, just like FFF, you don't

really intend harm, but are just trying to make your point.

And surely FFF is good at making his point.

Peace,

BigD

[BuckyXTC]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

>hey guys i have to say it again.you really have to like this

>guy's style.

 

Actually, we don't. What's to admire about the rantings of a bigoted egomaniac who thinks the whole world revolves around him? Any thoughtful reader of what Will had to say, will understand what he was saying, even if they don't agree with it. But not FFF. You should read what FFF says as well, it speaks volumes about who he is. He's so busy trying to be clever, that his real self shines through....a sad, insecure, petty little man who can only feel good about himself by taking a dump on someone else. Notice that his so-called humor is never aimed at himself, but always at someone he feels the need to denigrate, and usually escorts. He suffers from delusions of grandeur, thinking his postings here have some grand cosmic significance. He emblazons his stupid name everywhere, and calls it "branding". I call it narcissism, the end product of poor self esteem and lack of emotional maturity. His brand of humor, if you can call it that, is juvenile and tasteless.

[Guest ncm2169]

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Men: (oops is that still an acceptable term?...lemme check my PC dictionary...brb).

 

Kudos to all the extremely articulate comments in this thread, but beware of well-spoken people blowing LOTS of smoke.

 

I guess I missed the elevation of Hooboy to sanctity for providing a forum for spleen venting/gut spilling/breast beating/teeth gnashing about homophobia. Too bad his rest stop :9 on the journey to Nirvana doesn't have a big enough dumpster for some people to (quietly or otherwise) deposit their baggage and move on.

 

Am I missing something here? Isn't this website about facilitating escort clients' choices? Aren't those choices by definition (and pocketbook considerations) based on clients" "type or types?"

 

My preference in male sex partners is very str8 acting/looking younger guys. Others have different preferences. Viva la difference!

 

Frankly, F3's commentary was ROTF LMFAO hilarious! ;-) Honest appraisals here are invaluable, and humor is too often lacking.

 

 

P.S. Why is it that some people who cry, "Live and let live!" all too often are first in line to criticize others' choices?

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

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>Actually, we don't. What's to admire about the rantings of

>a bigoted egomaniac who thinks the whole world revolves

>around him?

 

Thank goodness it doesn't! It's hard ENOUGH to get onto a crowded subway car without the whole world revolving around me.

 

 

>He's so busy

>trying to be clever,

 

I'm reminded of that scene in "Another Country" when Colin Firth is sitting next to a window when some student, with a stick up his ass, approaches him and says (use an English accent please): "You think you're clever, don't you?" and Colin replies: "I don't think I'm clever. I am clever". Don't cha love the English?

 

 

>that his real self shines through....a

>sad, insecure, petty little man

 

Actually, I'm quite tall, have never been in therapy, and am happy with my life. You must have me confused with someone else.

 

 

>who can only feel good about

>himself by taking a dump on someone else.

 

I sense a little projection here - I'm not into scat.

 

 

>Notice that his

>so-called humor is never aimed at himself, but always at

>someone he feels the need to denigrate, and usually

>escorts.

 

Would you prefer I make observations about Cleveland contractors? Last time I checked, this site concerned escorts. Silly me, I must be confused.

 

 

>He suffers from delusions of grandeur, thinking

>his postings here have some grand cosmic significance.

 

Oh yeah, and when I'm finished here, I will cure cancer, bring peace to the Middle East, make Michael Jackson a black man again, and then attempt the impossible: make Donnie appear human.

 

 

 

>His brand of

>humor, if you can call it that, is juvenile and tasteless.

 

Only when I want it to be.

 

 

I hope that clears everything up.

 

Sweetly yours,

 

FFF

[BuckyXTC]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

>Actually, I'm quite tall, have never been in therapy,

 

Never been in therapy? That explains a lot. No time like the present to get started.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

Well - if there is one thing that can be said for this board, it's that the members sure do love to take sides!

 

You may recall I mentioned a few days ago that I would love to have the pleasure of finding Dominick Dunne as my dinner partner. However as that has not materialized to date, I guess I should pick a 2nd choice.

 

And if the 2nd choice had to be selected between Will and FFF, FFF would win hands down. He is witty, amusing, succinct and very refreshing in his viewpoints, Will on the other hand, while I'm sure is a lovely lad, would bore me to fucking bejeses.

 

Life is too short Will to go around nit-picking at everything others say and giving it your own pious stamp of disapproval. All FFF did was give give us his opinion, on the limp wrist scale, of how nelly this escort was. That's only an observation and an opinion - hardly the stuff of Homophobia!

 

Thunderbuns

[Rick Munroe]

>I find nothing wrong with the terms nancy boy, fruit, pansy,

>mary, queen, sissy, swish or any of the hundreds of epithets

>we use to describe each other...but that's the point...it's

>being used by gays to describe other gays.

 

Les, are you really that simple-minded? There's a HUGE difference between calling someone a "queen" or any of the other words you mention, and making the "joke" that someone who is effeminate should be killed so that he and we can be put out of our misery. Can you really not see the difference? FFF's "joke" is the same trash spoken by gay bashers, who are usually closeted. Really healthy stuff there.

[BuckyXTC]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

>And if the 2nd choice had to be selected between Will and

>FFF, FFF would win hands down. He is witty, amusing,

>succinct and very refreshing in his viewpoints, Will on the

>other hand, while I'm sure is a lovely lad, would bore me to

>fucking bejeses.

>

>Life is too short Will to go around nit-picking at

>everything others say and giving it your own pious stamp of

>disapproval. All FFF did was give give us his opinion, on

>the limp wrist scale, of how nelly this escort was. That's

>only an observation and an opinion - hardly the stuff of

>Homophobia!

>

>Thunderbuns

 

TB: I've always suspected you were a man with poor taste and rather boorish to boot. Thanks for your post. You've confirmed my suspicions.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

>All FFF did was give give us his opinion, on

>the limp wrist scale, of how nelly this escort was. That's

>only an observation and an opinion - hardly the stuff of

>Homophobia!

 

Anything anyone ever says is just an opinion or observation with no greater significance or meaning? He pretty much said fem guys should be killed. How do you define homophobia?

[Guest ncm2169]

Having had my say on the thread subject, I can't ignore the behavior of some of the other posters here. I'm fairly new here, but I recall well that one of my first reads on the Message Board was of Rick Munroe pleading for civility and decency. Is it too late to echo that now??

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

>TB: I've always suspected you were a man with poor taste

>and rather boorish to boot. Thanks for your post. You've

>confirmed my suspicions.

 

Glad you noticed - pleased to be of service :-)

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

>>All FFF did was give give us his opinion, on

>>the limp wrist scale, of how nelly this escort was. That's

>>only an observation and an opinion - hardly the stuff of

>>Homophobia!

>

>Anything anyone ever says is just an opinion or observation

>with no greater significance or meaning? He pretty much

>said fem guys should be killed. How do you define

>homophobia?

 

Rick - relax - it was just an expression and we all know he didn't mean it.

 

Can you honestly say you have never threatened to kill or harm someone who was pissing you off at the moment? And did you mean it?

 

You and Will have jumped on this and made it into much more than it is/was. A little perspective please.......

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest RushNY]

Guys calm down,jeez some of the people who are getting their panties all in a twist should know what FFF is like,he revels in getting people steamed up .

 

Yes Homophobia is bad and wrong but its there in life black and white just as 1001 other things that can provoke response from the relevant minority group or individuals that the remarks or statements are meant to hurt or discredit but i think people have gone a little OTT ,FFF isnt everyones cup of coffee by a LOOOOOONNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG way but he is part of the make up of this board whether you like it or not the same could be said for any of the posters who regularly post their thoughts you could probably find people who love and hate them in equal measure.

 

Having not been here for a while but also having time to go through some of the older threads it seems that this was a perfect opportunity for people to blow off steam at the slightest thing because there hasn't been anything for people to blow up about recently which i'm sure is the reason why a few regulars post just to get the stresses and strains of real life ,they can bitch and scream at others because they cant do it in real life lets face it this place is hardly real life ,its an anonymous cyber community where people can be as nasty and bitchy as they want.

 

If people do practise homophobia especially on a place like this then i can think of a few adjectives as i'm sure quite a few others can bottom line homophobia will NEVER go away same as racism,sexism etc no matter how PC how many laws are brought in to protect minorities and other group there will always be people who will call gay people names such as fag,queer,queen same as people will call African Americans niggers and other names it doesnt matter if you are Jewish,Italian,Chinese,gay straight there will always be a derogatory name for you from some narrow minded bigot or idiot whose shoe size is larger than their IQ.

 

Anyway sermon over,its been a tough week

 

P.S whether you like a particular poster no matter who it may be and no matter if what they write is complete crap or pointless drivel there is a little thing called Freedom of Speech which allows people to say what they want,you just dont have to agree or like it thats the downside.

 

P.P.S Obviously there are laws libel and stuff which allow moderation but thats a whole diffrent thing and it too damn late to be getting into that.im going now honest:+

[Guest Charon]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

And F^3 finds yet another opportunity to remind all of us that he is NOT A BOTTOM....

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

>He pretty much

>said fem guys should be killed.

 

 

This is rich.

 

And typical.

 

Rick "I'm A Dumb Whore" Munroe now admits I didn't ACTUALLY say that fem guys should be killed, so, to try to "get" me, he twists his position and now says I "pretty much said" it. This is an example of what I call a "hit and run insult". You slap someone and then dash away - it's the action of a coward who is defenseless in his own position. He knows EXACTLY what I was saying, but, to serve his own end, he knowingly misrepresents it - this "man of many virtues".

 

When he makes statements like this, I'm beginning to wonder if Rick isn't too far off the mark when he refers to himself as a "dumb whore".

 

Pensively yours,

 

FFF

[Bilbo]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

If I am clear on this, FFF heard the escort talking while he was off duty and then told us all about it. This doesn't constitute reportage on what the guy is like while he is on duty. A lot of people are well rounded enough that they are butch at times and femme at times. What FFF did was criticize the man when he was just being one side of himself that he probably doesn't show clients. He was balancing his psyche. For FFF to tell us about it was a personal attack, not on an escort, but on a person on the steet. I don't agree with those who think that we should only talk about escorts and the business on this site, but FFF seems to and has broken through a wall here. Yellow Journalism, it seems to me, worthy of a supermarket tabloid. And yes, to an extent, homophobic, trying to enforce the rules of a society which was set up in part to keep us down and in our place.

[Bilbo]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

As a masseur, let me assure you that if one continually thinks that someone or something is a pain in the back, one will wind up with a pain in his neck. Did the person really mean that what was provoking him was actually a pain in his back? Probably not. But, because he kept thinking in that metaphor, it caused his reality to change to match it.

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

>If I am clear on this, FFF heard the escort talking while he

>was off duty and then told us all about it. This doesn't

>constitute reportage on what the guy is like while he is on

>duty.

 

Well, DUH! You have a keen grasp of the obvious. I'm sure everyone was really confused on that point. Thanks for clearing it up.

 

 

>A lot of people are well rounded enough that they are

>butch at times and femme at times.

 

This statement is so loaded I don't have the energy to take it on.

 

 

>What FFF did was

>criticize the man when he was just being one side of himself

>that he probably doesn't show clients.

 

Isn't it interesting that if someone says another person is a queen, some people immediately think that's an insult? Maybe it says more about the listener than the person making the comment. (And don't even think about using the joke to confirm your point, because, it was a JOKE.)

 

 

>He was balancing his

>psyche.

 

How is it that you have insight into a total stranger's PSYCHE?

 

 

>For FFF to tell us about it was a personal attack,

>not on an escort, but on a person on the steet.

 

I swear, these idiots come out of the woodword with metronomic predictabilty.

 

In case you missed the review of Tony, I was anecdotally CONFIRMING what reviewers (PLURAL) has already said about him. My Tony siting occurred WEEKS ago.

 

 

>Yellow Journalism, it seems

>to me, worthy of a supermarket tabloid.

 

Oooooooooo, YELLOW JOURNALISM! Ouch! One little problem, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. It sounds really cool to throw out terms like "Yellow Journalism", but if you knew what it really WAS, you would know it doesn't apply here. I was reporting a FACT and not my INTERPRETATION of an event. Tony/Miami, although looking like a tough guy, is in fact a big queen. Does that mean he can't "butch it up"? Sure, however, when he's being himself (like STANDING AT A STREET CORNER!), he's more Dina Merrill than Vin Deisel.

 

 

>And yes, to an

>extent, homophobic, trying to enforce the rules of a society

>which was set up in part to keep us down and in our place.

 

BWONK! BWONK! BWONK! VICTIM ALERT! VICTIM ALERT! BWONK! BWONK! BWONK![/font color=red]

 

'nuff said on that.

 

I just looked at my watch and I think it's about time for HooBoy to close down this thread.

 

Expectantly yours,

 

FFF

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

.:-)

[MiamiLooker]

Aren't the terms straight-acting, butch and masculine often used within gay culture in the same homophobic manner you discuss? If you check the male-looking-for-female ads in your local paper, you won't see straight guys advertising that they're masculine. If straight guys don't need to advertise as masculine, why do you think gay guys do, unless it's to differentiate themselves from the perceived gay stereotype?

[Donnie]

RE: Fin Fang Foom & Homophobia on M4M

 

>we all know he

>didn't mean it.

 

Don't speak for the rest of us. You don't know what we all know.

 

>Can you honestly say you have never threatened to kill or

>harm someone who was pissing you off at the moment?

 

Interesting choice of words. Why was FFF so pissed off at Tony for being effeminate that he wanted to kill him?