State/Country Age of Consent = Age to Whore out?

[marc anthony]

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Rod: Perhaps that is one big distinction between the young set and the older (as far as escorts are concerned). Many of the young set that I know actually hang out together if they happen to live in the same city... and quite a few tell me that they chat with so and so in another city.

 

If you read my response to Flower, this is perhaps the biggest difficulty in debating issues without real evidence. We are only as good as our own personal experience. And one thing is abundantly clear, YOUR personal experience, and MY personal experience are very different. :7

[Boston Guy]

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>Most of the guys at the gay Starbucks I hang at are escorts,

>but I don't talk to them, ever.

>

 

By the Ramada? Funny, I've never seen anyone there that I recognized or even suspected was an escort. (OK, once I saw Stef there, but that was it.)

 

Maybe I'm more clueless or innocent than I thought... :-)

 

BG

[marc anthony]

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By the way, Rod... I hired Brogan when he was 21 or 22, and he was quite a together young man (and beautiful), even though he was below 24 (your age) and above 18 (my age).

[Rod Hagen]

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>By the way, Rod... I hired Brogan when he was 21 or 22, and

>he was quite a together young man (and beautiful), even

 

And now he's a wrinkled, undesirable, old man (23, 24?). On to the next kid.

 

Ok one thing GODDAMNIT everyone :-) But for the record guys like Devon and I are not OLD. I'm probably guilty of this too because I know I've refered to us as "older" which is technically correct as we are older than the twinks that we're talking about. But I'm feeling so geriatric now after all this (poor Rod needs some validation. Tough shit.) Let's look at me, my published age is 29, so the truth is I'm probably younger than 32 but older than 29. That's not old. 40 is old :-)

[Rod Hagen]

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>By the Ramada? Funny, I've never seen anyone there that I

>recognized or even suspected was an escort. (OK, once I saw

>Stef there, but that was it.)

 

I'm there every day reading the NYtimes and some pretentious, showy, book. Lots of the other guys are too. That one hot and beefy Spanish Oddysey twin, for instance.

[marc anthony]

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>

>Ok one thing GODDAMNIT everyone :-) But for the record guys

>like Devon and I are not OLD.

 

LOL! Point conceded, Rod... you are not old. Crabby, yes. Old, no. Neither am I, though GODDAMMMIT! 40 is not old!!(another arbitrary line)

 

Please... no one start a new thread about this line!

 

Just out of curiosity, though Rod, although I realize this will prove absolutely nothing... you mentioned that you know very few escorts well... but of the ones you do know, how many of the "well-adjusted" ones actually had their first escort encounter before they were 24? Do they feel they would have been better off if they started later in life?

[Flower]

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>B- I do not feel uncomforable at all about hiring someone of

>legal age in the Country that I happen to be in. As I have

>said before as long as the law has stated they are legal the

>younger looking the better. BUT I STRESS THIS IS NOTED WITH

>THE PREFIX IF THEY ARE LEGAL ACCORDING TO LAW.

>

>Mark -Kalifornia

 

It must be nice and certainly easy on your conscience, if there be one, to be able to dissociate yourself with the human condition so easily. I guess that means that if in fact the age of consent in Spain is 13, then you would be right in there fuckin those "naturally smooth" little boy bodies--is that what you are saying Mark? Just make it unequivocal for us, please.

 

Your willingness to allow the political authority to do your thinking for you in matters of sex when it fits your desires is convenient--I wonder what you say when it goes contrary to your whims?

 

I would bet that most of the people that are taking your point of view have never raised kids, since that seems to be the only explanation for such shortsightedness and "boys-are-commodities" type of thinking.

 

By taking your willingness to let the political authority do your thinking, I suppose then that if slavery were legal where you lived, you would be an owner, since it was "legal" and therefore you have no moral decision to make--am I right?

 

Flower :*

[Guest Thunderbuns]

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>I suppose then that if slavery were legal

>where you lived, you would be an owner, since it was "legal"

>and therefore you have no moral decision to make--am I

>right?

 

I trust you are not referring to the "slaves" one finds at such festivities as the Castro Street Fair and various leather bars around the nation. :-)

 

Thunderbuns

[ad rian]

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>Your willingness to allow the political authority to do your

>thinking for you in matters of sex when it fits your desires

>is convenient--I wonder what you say when it goes contrary

>to your whims?

 

Are you one of those annoying Yanks who drives at 55 in the fast lane in Canada for which the speed limit is 65?

[Guest adriansf]

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Flower

 

I have no clue who you are. I appreciate your concern if you are in fact a friend. I would rather prefer, however, for you to contact me directly. I don't know exactly why you're worried, but speculating on the message center is not the most effective way to tip me off on whatever your concerns are.

 

best,

 

Adrian (now NY)

[Guest Thunderbuns]

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>Are you one of those annoying Yanks who drives at 55 in the

>fast lane in Canada for which the speed limit is 65?

 

He might very well be although in Canada the spped limit would be posted as 100 as we are ensconsed in the metric system - worse luck!

 

Personally, I never take posted speed limits as anything more than a suggesstion. :-)

 

Thunderbuns

[Flower]

RE: State/Country Age of Consent

 

>Are you one of those annoying Yanks who drives at 55 in the

>fast lane in Canada for which the speed limit is 65?

 

LOL Quite the contrary in fact--doesn't that really piss you off when someone feels they have to be a traffic cop and clog up the fast lane despite the fact they could go just as fast in the slow one? Actually, I'd think that what I have written would have given you a clue to that--I'm not a stickler for rules. One of my favorite quotes by my favorite President (JFK): "Rules make decisions easy but rob them of wisdom", is apropos here--just because its legal doesn't make it right, wise or moral :+

 

Flower :*

[Guest newawlens]

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>And my reply is "Why anyone would not think the age of

>military service is relevant I do not get." We're dealing

>with risk factors in this discussion, whether we choose to

>call it that or not.

>

>This isn't rocket science. Serving in the military presents

>significant risks to the well being of the person who

>chooses to do so (or maybe didn't choose to do so some years

>back when we had miitary conscription or the draft). If you

>can think of any situations bigger than being ordered to

>kill someone or putting yourself in a situation where there

>is a substantial risk of being killed, I'd love to hear what

>that would be.

 

 

That sounds to me like a false analogy for several reasons.

 

The generic risks of military service are obvious, easy for even a young person to understand. The risks of hooking are for the most part far more subtle and are not easy even for some of the older people involved in it to appreciate, judging by some of the posts here.

 

In addition this idea that young people are still used as 'cannon fodder' is anachronistic and would appeal only to someone who has no knowledge of what modern military operations are like. Combat troops today perform specialized roles for which they are highly and intensively trained. There no longer are situations in which raw recruits are given a gun and a few weeks training and thrust into combat. The lives of most young people in the military are like those who serve on the carrier I mentioned, consisting entirely of mind-numbing routines far from combat. This notion of 'if you're old enough to serve you're old enough to drink' or do whatever really belongs to a different era.

[woodlawn]

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>No line of work is without risk.....but serving in the

>military is particularly a high risk profession, a dangerous

>business. Soldiers get killed all the time, even in

>training exercises where no real combat comes into play.

>Since the "age of consent" concept means the age at which

>someone may legally decide to engage in a specified

>activity, with precautions taken, I'd think choosing to be

>an escort would be eminently safer than rooting out

>terrorists in Afghanistan.

 

 

You're completely wrong about the degree of risk associated with military service. Statistically it is much less dangerous than driving a car. As for Afghanistan, the battle at Tora Bora involved more U.S. ground troops in combat than any military action since the Gulf War. And yet the number of deaths of U.S. service personnel in that action is far smaller than the number of accidental deaths in the U.S. during the same period.

[Boston Guy]

RE: State/Country Age of Consent

 

Nicely put.

 

BG

[BuckyXTC]

RE: Age to Whore out?

 

>The generic risks of military service are obvious, easy for

>even a young person to understand.

 

Perhaps they should be obvious, but not necessarily so. When was the last time you saw a military recruiting ad that showed helicopters crashing with those who were on board lying dead in the wreckage. And movie fare for years has glorified war, setting it up as valiant and heroic, when many who have actually served in combat will tell you it's hardly anything of the kind. Couple that with the invincibility factor of many young persons, who think death is something that happens to someone else, not them, and you should be able to see that this is not a false analogy at all.

 

 

This notion of 'if you're old enough to serve

>you're old enough to drink' or do whatever really belongs to

>a different era.

 

You state this as if its some self-evident fact, but I see little to substantiate your opinion, and it is just that, your opinion. Who's to say that the draft might not come into play again, and then it won't be a choice, but obligatory to serve in combat, as it was for so many in Viet Nam? Lots of cannon fodder in that war, and much of it from the less fortunate in our society, who didn't have connections with the folks on the draft board, or enough economic or political clout to avoid combat (like our current president).

[BewareofNick]

RE: Age of Consent = Age to Whore out?

 

>>BON I imagine you pacing back and forth outside his public

>>school, bidding your time until the kid becomes legal. Very

>>Elvis Presley of you.

>

>Not an attack!!! Just a joke just a joke. I promised I

>wouldn't attack. :-)

 

I was n't really waiting for him, but we did keep an online friendship going on.

[Guest newawlens]

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>Pardon us all to hell. We're collectivly sorry that all our

>posts are not of a significantly high standard to satisfy

>your intellectual aspirations. Now just relax and remove

>your head from your colon.

>

 

Your posts are not of a sufficiently high standard to satisfy the intellectual aspirations of a third grade English class, and your rotten temper explains why you have to pay hookers to pretend that they want to spend time with you. Now why don't you go fuck yourself? Think of the money you could save if you could only learn to do it yourself.

[Guest newawlens]

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>Perhaps they should be obvious, but not necessarily so.

>When was the last time you saw a military recruiting ad that

>showed helicopters crashing with those who were on board

>lying dead in the wreckage. And movie fare for years has

>glorified war, setting it up as valiant and heroic, when

>many who have actually served in combat will tell you it's

>hardly anything of the kind.

 

 

It sounds as though you haven't been to the movies recently. Did you see "Saving Private Ryan," "Three Kings," "Blackhawk Down" or "Windtalkers"? Those are just four examples of recent war movies that do not fit the description you are giving.

 

Couple that with the

>invincibility factor of many young persons, who think death

>is something that happens to someone else, not them, and you

>should be able to see that this is not a false analogy at

>all.

 

You state this as if it were some self-evident fact, but I see little to substantiate your opinion, and it is just that, your opinion. Can you cite any empirical data to back it up?

 

>This notion of 'if you're old enough to serve

>>you're old enough to drink' or do whatever really belongs to

>>a different era.

>

>You state this as if its some self-evident fact, but I see

>little to substantiate your opinion, and it is just that,

>your opinion.

 

Wrong. If you read books by distinguished authors on recent military campaigns, books like "War in a Time of Peace" by David Halberstam and "Blackhawk Down" by Mark Bowden, you will see much that supports what I have said. I do not see you citing anything to support what you have said. Is there anything?

 

 

>Who's to say that the draft might not come

>into play again,

 

Do you have any facts to suggest that it will? I can give you some facts to suggest that it won't. For example, the number of men of draft age in this country is now so large that if only ten percent were actually drafted, we would have to double the size of our entire armed forces, army, navy, air force and marines put together. Do you have any idea how much it would cost to do that? Congress is screaming about the deficit as it is, and recruitment is hardly up at all from last year.

 

Now, do you have any facts to support your opinion?

 

>and then it won't be a choice, but

>obligatory to serve in combat, as it was for so many in Viet

>Nam? Lots of cannon fodder in that war,

 

Facts, please, not slogans. Here's a fact for you: of all the men of draft age in the U.S. during the ten years from 1964-1974 (when the war ended) only about ten percent actually went to Vietnam during the entire ten year period.

 

 

and much of it from

>the less fortunate in our society, who didn't have

>connections with the folks on the draft board, or enough

>economic or political clout to avoid combat (like our

>current president).

 

Apparently the percentage of those who had "clout" was about ninety percent of those who were of draft age (figures courtesy of The New York Times online archives).

[Rick Munroe]

RE: State/Country Age of Consent

 

>I don't know exactly why you're worried, but speculating

>on the message center is not the most effective way

>to tip me off on whatever your concerns are.

 

Excellent response, kid. :-)

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Age to Whore out?

 

>Your posts are not of a sufficiently high standard to

>satisfy the intellectual aspirations of a third grade

>English class,

 

Doesn't matter - they don't interest me until they enter high school!

 

>and your rotten temper explains why you have to pay hookers to >pretend that they want to spend time with you.

 

# 1: I don't really have a rotton temper - just a low tolerance threshold for idiots.

 

# 2: Now I suppose the HOOKERS pay YOU 'cause you're so hard to resist.

 

>Now why don't you go fuck yourself?

 

My my - ain't we testy tonight! Guess your head in your colon thing didn't quite do it for you this time. I know what you're doin' wrong. You're supposed to stick your tongue out at the same time so you can get rimmed - probably the only way it will ever happen.

 

Have a great evening, dear.

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Kalifornia]

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>>By the way, Rod... I hired Brogan when he was 21 or 22, and

>>he was quite a together young man (and beautiful), even

>

>And now he's a wrinkled, undesirable, old man (23, 24?). On

>to the next kid.

 

YEP

 

>

>Ok one thing GODDAMNIT everyone :-) But for the record guys

>like Devon and I are not OLD.

 

YES/// you and Devon are old, sorry I know the truth must hurt }>

 

Mark -Kalifornia

[Guest newawlens]

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># 1: I don't really have a rotton temper - just a low

>tolerance threshold for idiots.

 

Then how do you stand yourself? Aren't you the one who created a whole thread to call another poster stupid because he said Provincetown is in Rhode Island? And then you made a fool of yourself by saying it is really in Maine? Besides being stupid, what is your problem? What would have to be wrong with someone to make him create an entire thread just to insult a complete stranger over nothing? What kind of asshole would even think about doing something like that? I understand that a lot of johns hire hookers because they have personality problems that prevent them from getting a real date, but you seem like an extreme case.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

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>I understand that a lot of johns hire hookers because they

>have personality problems that prevent them from getting a

>real date, but you seem like an extreme case.

 

Gosh you're good. Perhaps you could get your own TV show - like on the vomit network.

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest DevonSFescort]

RE: Age to Whore out?

 

>The generic risks of military service are obvious, easy for

>even a young person to understand. The risks of hooking are

>for the most part far more subtle and are not easy even for

>some of the older people involved in it to appreciate,

>judging by some of the posts here.

 

Surely the "generic risks" of hooking are obvious to most young people: AIDS, STDs, arrest, assault, rape, drug addiction, drug overdoses -- these fates are all, in the popular imagination, associated with prostitution, and not for no reason. I don't think you'll find many young people who describe prostitution as a risk-free profession. And military service comes with its own subtler risks as well, risks to soldiers' physical and mental health that are not even easy for experts to grasp, sometimes, until well after the point of injury.

 

>

>In addition this idea that young people are still used as

>'cannon fodder' is anachronistic and would appeal only to

>someone who has no knowledge of what modern military

>operations are like. Combat troops today perform

>specialized roles for which they are highly and intensively

>trained. There no longer are situations in which raw

>recruits are given a gun and a few weeks training and thrust

>into combat. The lives of most young people in the military

>are like those who serve on the carrier I mentioned,

>consisting entirely of mind-numbing routines far from

>combat. This notion of 'if you're old enough to serve

>you're old enough to drink' or do whatever really belongs to

>a different era.

 

I agree with this, but I'm not sure how relevant it is to the question of whether it's fair to bring up the military service age when discussing the age of consent or what age is appropriate as the earliest point to start escorting. After all, escorts in the Internet era are probably safer then they were, say, twenty years ago, when condoms were not the norm they are today and society as a whole was less tolerant of gays and AIDS was new and mysterious, and you didn't have the obvious benefits being online brings. As for routine, well, hopefully the escort doesn't experience it as mind-numbing (if so, regardless of his age, he's past his shelf life), but the lives of most escorts, including the young ones I know, seem filled more with routines of their own (going to the gym, lots of showers, constant grooming, being "on," etc.) than with the stuff of something sordid. (Of course, if drugs and drama are part of the routine, then they're in a war zone of their own.)

 

My feeling is that even with reduced risks and changes brought about by technology, both professions are well-suited only to a small group of people. Both represent risky (on several levels), profoundly life-altering experiences that should not be entered into lightly. There's a kind of totality to both experiences, there's the willing assumption of a role, the construction of a new identity. Both constitute entering a new life. Which is something eighteen-year-olds, as it happens, are usually doing no matter what choices they're making.