The Dallas market seems to have really gone downhill....

[wayout]

Steven,

 

No one out here, to my recollection, ever attacked you at least as far as this board is concerned. This is because you are friendly and bright and do not repeatedly blame others for things that happen in life.

 

The individuals who responded to Joey's recent post had no choice but to attack the poster rather than attack the issue (as you so eloquently quoted from Hooboy).

 

If you go back over Joey's posts, most of them show hostility, anger and negativity. Rarely, if ever, does he post something upbeat or positive.

 

Under those circumstances, why would a client who reads the bulk of Joey's posts want to make a date with him?

 

Negativity is like pain, it is not pleasant and no one wants it.

 

I feel bad for Joey because he does not realize that he is his worst enemy.

o

 

 

I get the sense that a lot, maybe most, here want posters (especially escorts who post) to conform to a certain way of behaving and ideas that may not run too contrary to the norm. I've said it before that we can all choose to react to his or anyone else's post as we decide. I am fine with Joey adding some spice to the site and adding his own unique perspective on things. I don't often agree with what he says or how he says it, but I believe I can be tolerant of his style. More importantly I try not to get distracted by that style and try to focus on the issue at hand and not him as an individual.

 

So I disagree, the individuals who respond to Joey's post do have a choice and don't have to attack the poster. This community should be tolerant enough to allow someone with a strong negative view to participate here. And as is always an option, if you don't like it you can always ignore the posts/threads and move on. I think we should be encouraging a more diverse participation rather than allow group think to take over and be left with a small number of people who dominate this board, making it less interesting and educational.

[imrthr]

 

I get the sense that a lot, maybe most, here want posters (especially escorts who post) to conform to a certain way of behaving and ideas that may not run too contrary to the norm. I've said it before that we can all choose to react to his or anyone else's post as we decide. I am fine with Joey adding some spice to the site and adding his own unique perspective on things.

 

I think you missed the meaning and purpose of what I wrote and what some of the other posters wrote about Joey.

 

Of course, Joey has a right to post what he feels. He is not under any obligation to conform in any way. However, the things he writes often display an angry and bitter person. Whether it is Joey writing these things or any one else, most clients are not willing to pay an escort $5.00 per minute to experience negativity. Negatively diminishes attractiveness.

 

 

I don't often agree with what he says or how he says it, but I believe I can be tolerant of his style. More importantly I try not to get distracted by that style and try to focus on the issue at hand and not him as an individual.

 

 

It is usually the things people say that make them attractive or unattractive; some people call this carisma.

 

Conversely, when someone is predominately negative and repeatedly says hostile things, attraction to such a person dwindles to a point of zero. Therefore, there is no other choice but to focus on what Joey writes. That is all we know of him.

 

 

So I disagree, the individuals who respond to Joey's post do have a choice and don't have to attack the poster. This community should be tolerant enough to allow someone with a strong negative view to participate here.

 

Where did anyone from this board say that Joey cannot participate here? You made that conclusion and I cannot imagine how you did so based on people remarking about Joey being negative most of the time. He is perfectly welcome to participate in this forum as far as I know. Come to think of it, it is only you who brought us the issue of whether Joey can participate in this forum. Where did that come from?

 

 

And as is always an option, if you don't like it you can always ignore the posts/threads and move on. I think we should be encouraging a more diverse participation rather than allow group think to take over and be left with a small number of people who dominate this board, making it less interesting and educational.

 

 

You baffled and lost me with this non sequitur.

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[JT Brooklyn]

I'm another Poster who will say "I wasn't BUT I will". In simplist Terms Some things said are GOOD for Biz and some are NOT!

 

Over the Year's I have met many Working Guys who agree.."It's Better to be Seen than Heard" as their Opinions on different TOPICS would definitely be "Bad for Business".

 

They believe most of this "Chit-Chat" should be left to the Clients..whose Opinions Ultimately matter $$$! So let'em think what they want as long as the Ka-ching is heard!

 

On Daddys we have to Types of Working Guys...

1. The Type who do Profit quite well from the "comments" made here ...

2. The Working Guys who get less than 10% of their Biz from Daddys and never gain any Financial Popularity and are heard from infrequently.

 

If this was not the case "ASK AN ESCORT" Forum would be alot busier! IMHO

[Bart]

Well this wont be popular but

 

This thread is a hoot. Sometimes if you cant get business being a good guy maybe you can get business being controversial and people talking about you but like JT said business speaks for itself.

 

imrthr were you not looking at the board some 8 months ago when there was quite a lot of mud slinging going between Mr. Draker, David-SF and a couple posters. The result being someone dug a hole, placed Mr. Draker in it and put a rock over it. The rock was removed a month or two ago. So he is well aware of how personal this can be.

 

Wayout I appreciate the fact you like variety of personalities in your sexual life. The point was made which makes perfectly good logical sense, I am not going to pay to listen to someone who does not like their life, their location or the people they have to deal with. If I want that I can go to work and listen to employees and I can get paid for it too. We are paying for ambience and sex and I dare say sexual fantasy. I doubt someone with a puss mouth hanging down to their feet is going to make me feel super and on top of the world a couple of hours later. I actually did spend three days with a very popular gentleman in the review site, not many overnights almost all one hour reviews. I can see why after going out for a meal with the gentleman I heard how rotten his work life is and he cant wait to get out of there and heard the story again and again. I should have just paid and not returned, I really did not want to go back but like a fool I did I was depressed every time I left.

 

Mr. Draker you are right that if this were merely a stand alone piece written by Mr. Bryant that would be so but this is one of many posts written by the gentleman regarding a location that he does not like. Jason Carter said he is doing great and damn I think Romann is doing just great given all the reviews he has acquired over the past 18 months a good chunk in Dallas. The other places he has trashed are Houston (Just recently), Chicago and Boston and moved to Texas from Florida which he did not like at the time of the move. I believe Chicago and Boston are two of your more popular cities.

 

Choosing a gentleman is all about perception. That is why many of the suggestions here could be used to possibly change the approach. But apparently Mr. Bryant feels his business plan works for him well than so be it. That is fine but sounds like for many here as myself, it is a turn-off, he certainly does not have to listen, to us, he probably enjoys his current standard of living.

 

I think Mocha is in the Texas area maybe he has an opinion.

[wayout]

I think you missed the meaning and purpose of what I wrote and what some of the other posters wrote about Joey.

 

Of course, Joey has a right to post what he feels. He is not under any obligation to conform in any way. However, the things he writes often display an angry and bitter person. Whether it is Joey writing these things or any one else, most clients are not willing to pay an escort $5.00 per minute to experience negativity. Negatively diminishes attractiveness. -

 

If you are suggesting that his negativity shown here relates to him not being hired, then that is a pretty big leap unless you have hired him.

 

It is usually the things people say that make them attractive or unattractive; some people call this carisma.

 

Conversely, when someone is predominately negative and repeatedly says hostile things, attraction to such a person dwindles to a point of zero. Therefore, there is no other choice but to focus on what Joey writes. That is all we know of him. -

 

Perhaps he is this negative in meetings, but maybe not. I don't know and I don't think anyone posting here does either. This is a forum and is meant to have open dialog. The focus has not always been on what Joey writes in the topic but his style. Look at how his main point is ignored in many of the posts rather than focusing on whether it is observable or not by others.

 

Where did anyone from this board say that Joey cannot participate here? You made that conclusion and I cannot imagine how you did so based on people remarking about Joey being negative most of the time. He is perfectly welcome to participate in this forum as far as I know. Come to think of it, it is only you who brought us the issue of whether Joey can participate in this forum. Where did that come from? -

 

I did not say anyone said he can not. My view was that the way he has been attacked that this will discourage him and others from participating. Argue, debate and strongly discuss the ideas is fine but once it crosses a line to what may be perceived as attacking the messenger then that is another story.

 

You baffled and lost me with this non sequitur.-

 

If people can not be open, encouraging and focused on the message rather than the messenger, then by all means walk away from the thread. However, ideally if there can be more tolerance this encourages the diversity that I believe makes things more interesting.

[Steven_Draker]

So fiercely ... they persist ...

 

Apparently, the message I was trying to convey wasn't understood: ATTACK THE ISSUE, RATHER THAN THE POSTER, GUYS. The subject of this thread is about the escort business in Dallas, not about Joey Bryant's persona. Scroll up to see what bigjoey is saying about Dallas.

 

And to quote one of my favorite posters Lookin: "If you don't have anything nice to say, come sit next to me"

 

Cheers,

[Steven_Draker]

This is because you are friendly and bright and do not repeatedly blame others for things that happen in life.

 

IMRTHR, thank you for the nice words. Unfortunately, some posters are "allergic" to any positive comment made about Steven Draker here on the Board. This goes even further to the point to attack fiercely the posters expressing such opinion. A few examples come to mind.

 

And lastly, since "Bart" opened the PANDORA BOX, are you ready to take a few hard truths?

[imrthr]

 

And to quote one of my favorite posters Lookin: "If you don't have anything nice to say, come sit next to me"

 

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Actually, the quote is from Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884 - 1980) and the quote is slightly different, but close enough.

 

"If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."

 

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[imrthr]

IMRTHR, thank you for the nice words.

 

You are welcome.

 

 

Unfortunately, some posters are "allergic" to any positive comment made about Steven Draker here on the Board. This goes even further to the point to attack fiercely the posters expressing such opinion. A few examples come to mind.

 

 

I am not aware of any nasty comments about you. Maybe I missed them or ignored them if any were posted.

 

 

 

And lastly, since "Bart" opened the PANDORA BOX, are you ready to take a few hard truths?[/color]

 

I can handle the truth. So long as it is the truth and nothing but the truth, so help us someone or something.

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[Steven_Draker]

My question was addressed to "Bart" since he opened the Pandora Box, but I was just informed that he has a self-proclaimed rule that he doesn't post more than 2 times in the same thread. Anyway, this can wait till tomorrow. Good night.

[imrthr]

Sorry, I missed the discussions you mentioned -

 

 

This thread is a hoot.

 

 

I agree

 

 

 

 

imrthr were you not looking at the board some 8 months ago when there was quite a lot of mud slinging going between Mr. Draker, David-SF and a couple posters. The result being someone dug a hole, placed Mr. Draker in it and put a rock over it. The rock was removed a month or two ago. So he is well aware of how personal this can be.

 

snip snip

 

 

I travel out of the U.S. often and am gone for several weeks to a month each trip. While I travel I do not access this forum. Therefore, I must conclude that such discussions or disputes occurred during one of my extended absences from the forum. Nonetheless, Mr. Draker has been pleasant whenever I read anything he posted. Therefore, unlike the angry and negative posts I read that were authored by Joey, I cannot comment on anything negative about Mr. Draker.

 

 

Choosing a gentleman is all about perception.

 

 

That is one of my main points. I do not find myself attracted to negative and hostile people. As I said earlier, Joey is his worst enemy.

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[JT Brooklyn]

Damn! Who removed that rock? Here I thought it was gonna be HEAVY enuff..God knows the Hole was DEEP enuff!

 

That's OK.. I'm sure there will be another Hole dug soon enuff! LOL

[Pegasus]

I live in Dallas and hire local guys regularly. I've hired my three favorite Dallas men (Troy Webb, Patrick Bogan and Logan Brock) numerous times in the past year and they all have independently expressed to me that their "business" here is doing quite well. I've learned my lesson and almost never hire rent-boys who are just traveling through town for a quick buck unless they are exceptionally and recently well-reviewed on Daddy's. All things considered, my impression is that Dallas is still a successful market for clients and professional, service-minded escorts.

[imrthr]

 

I live in Dallas and hire local guys regularly.

 

snip snip

 

All things considered, my impression is that Dallas is still a successful market for clients and professional, service-minded escorts.

 

 

Let me add -

 

Provided they are not consistently negative and angry.

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[NYTomcat]

And lastly, since "Bart" opened the PANDORA BOX, are you ready to take a few hard truths?[/color]

Steven. - I see where this is headed and its nothing good that will come of it

Do you really want to start digging that hole again already. All Bart did was point out that we all sometimes blame the poster not the issue. Even you.. it may be a flaw we should all be reminded of from time to time. So thank for the reminder but let me echo it back to you.

 

I must admit I enjoy Joey's posts they are fun and he raises good issues but to his own detriment in my opinion.

[instudiocity]

(snip...snip) I must admit I enjoy Joey's posts they are fun and he raises good issues but to his own detriment in my opinion.

Ha, Tomcat, you're talking about The Escort with the Self-Inflicted Hole in his Wallet! We'll have to abbreviate ESIHW! (pronounced eshew?

[NYTomcat]

Ha, Tomcat, you're talking about The Escort with the Self-Inflicted Hole in his Wallet! We'll have to abbreviate ESIHW![/font] (pronounced eshew?

 

Roflmao. Yes unfortunately

[humboldt]

Hi Joey,

 

Yes, it does seem to me that you might very well do better in smaller markets where there is absolutely no competition whatsoever. And I certainly wish you well in that regard.

 

But as I have stated before, I live in one of those markets, and you have come through here. But because of your posts on this site, I’ve simply chosen to jack off instead.

 

You might very well be a great person; I’m just not convinced that comes through here.

[JoeyBryant]

Hi Joey,

as I have stated before, I live in one of those markets, and you have come through here. But because of your posts on this site, I’ve simply chosen to jack off instead.

 

LOL, that was hilarious! I hope you had enough lube... You know...Im actually spending more time laughing AT these posts rather than defending myself LOL. But, since it was my birthday weekend, I'm just now reading as I had plenty of people willing to listen to my negativity

 

Thanks Steven and others who wished me a happy birthday! It was fun, just that I haven't been having much sleep.

 

Anyway, on to Dallas. Now, for 1...Alot of you comparing me to upper 20s, early 30s white escorts in Dallas. Im an early 20s Black (well, mixed) guy. It would be beyond stupid to say that those factors dont matter. Texas is a very, ummm...'narrow' state. I wont say racist for fear of being stoned...but fact of the matter is. Dont be an idiot and compare me to someone who isn't anything like me.

 

In addition, I was invited to a strip bar in Dallas called Tin Room on my birthday. I was utterly shocked..there were like 5 dancers for every 1 customer. More dancers than customers. I'm sure its the same in the escort scene, which is probably why the lack in business there.

 

Anyone can say they do well. Everyone has their different idea of busy. Everyone wants to paint a perfect picture in front of someone who they percieve is judging them and paying them money. I have no qualms telling a client, "Dallas isn't great for me, but if I go 1,000 miles in that direction...I'm booked for an appointment daily".

 

Plus...what makes you think I discuss these things with my clients in person? This is MESSAGE FORUM if you cant handle DISCUSSIONS, then I dont know what to tell you. I am appalled at how you guys take a simple statement about Dallas into a "Im so negative" thread. But, thanks for the ones who DO make accurate statements.

[orbital sander]

LOL, that was hilarious! I hope you had enough lube... You know...Im actually spending more time laughing AT these posts rather than defending myself LOL. But, since it was my birthday weekend, I'm just now reading as I had plenty of people willing to listen to my negativity

 

Thanks Steven and others who wished me a happy birthday! It was fun, just that I haven't been having much sleep.

 

Anyway, on to Dallas. Now, for 1...Alot of you comparing me to upper 20s, early 30s white escorts in Dallas. Im an early 20s Black (well, mixed) guy. It would be beyond stupid to say that those factors dont matter. Texas is a very, ummm...'narrow' state. I wont say racist for fear of being stoned...but fact of the matter is. Dont be an idiot and compare me to someone who isn't anything like me.

 

In addition, I was invited to a strip bar in Dallas called Tin Room on my birthday. I was utterly shocked..there were like 5 dancers for every 1 customer. More dancers than customers. I'm sure its the same in the escort scene, which is probably why the lack in business there.

 

Anyone can say they do well. Everyone has their different idea of busy. Everyone wants to paint a perfect picture in front of someone who they percieve is judging them and paying them money. I have no qualms telling a client, "Dallas isn't great for me, but if I go 1,000 miles in that direction...I'm booked for an appointment daily".

 

Plus...what makes you think I discuss these things with my clients in person? This is MESSAGE FORUM if you cant handle DISCUSSIONS, then I dont know what to tell you. I am appalled at how you guys take a simple statement about Dallas into a "Im so negative" thread. But, thanks for the ones who DO make accurate statements.

 

There is a difference between discussions and Boorish Rants & hatefulness...

 

Hey wait...this is a MESSAGE FORUM?? I thought I was here to get my oil changed...wha happn??

[instudiocity]

...Im actually spending more time laughing AT these posts rather than defending myself

 

Anyway, on to Dallas. Now, for 1...Alot of you comparing me to upper 20s, early 30s white escorts in Dallas. Im an early 20s Black (well, mixed) guy. It would be beyond stupid to say that those factors dont matter. Texas is a very, ummm...'narrow' state. I wont say racist for fear of being stoned

 

I was utterly shocked..there were like 5 dancers for every 1 customer.

More dancers than customers.

I'm sure its the same in the escort scene, which is probably why the lack in business there.

"Dallas isn't great for me, but if I go 1,000 miles in that direction...I'm booked for an appointment daily".

 

This is MESSAGE FORUM if you cant handle DISCUSSIONS, then I dont know what to tell you.

I am appalled at how you guys take a simple statement about Dallas into a "Im so negative" thread.

Geez, Joey Bryant, I don't see a SINGLE NEGATIVE STATEMENT in this entire post, no not one.

Helen Keller

[Brian Barnes]

Hi, Joey.

I was born and raised in Northeast Texas, but never started escorting until I actually left the state, back in 2005. I moved to San Francisco, not even knowing who I was (how many others have done that?). Anyway, I didn't find my way back (as an escort) until 2009. I got here last July, and the market was wide open. I was proud to have one of my best months in a long time; and this was in a market that I had never experienced before, even though I am from here.

I moved to Sacramento to help a friend, and then moved to Seattle (where I also had a great month or two). I couldn't wait to get back to Dallas to visit with my parents (and work, as well). This was all last summer.

The recent days here in Dallas, while I am visiting, have proved to me that the economy has changed, just in one year, not only in Dallas, but Seattle, as well. These were wide-open markets a year ago (for me, anyways) and things have changed a bit. I seem to be relying more on my regulars now, which is wonderful, but it is always nice to have new business.

Don't fret...keep going. Do what we do best. The economy is strange right now, but desires have not changed.

[BewareofNick]

It amazes me that so many of you vomit complaints about Joey's so-called negativity, yet you respond back with comments even more douche like than you accuse him of being.

 

How Joey puts up with the pointed hat crowd here is beyond me, but I applaud him for it. However, I am sure the asshat brigade will not rest until they drive him and every other escort from this MC.

[JoeyBryant]

Hi, Joey.

The recent days here in Dallas, while I am visiting, have proved to me that the economy has changed, just in one year, not only in Dallas, but Seattle, as well. These were wide-open markets a year ago (for me, anyways) and things have changed a bit. I seem to be relying more on my regulars now, which is wonderful, but it is always nice to have new business. Don't fret...keep going. Do what we do best. The economy is strange right now, but desires have not changed.

 

Well its great to hear from someone who has left, and returned. Thanks for the input. I found being in Texas, people sort of forget there's actually a world beyond it as its so large LOL. And yes, it has changed quite a bit...even in a year. But, rather than fight and fuss about it...I just left.

 

Not to sound 'pretentious' LOL...but by no means am I fretting. Dallas is 'distant' memory...Several hundred miles distant LOL.

[orbital sander]

It amazes me that so many of you vomit complaints about Joey's so-called negativity, yet you respond back with comments even more douche like than you accuse him of being.

 

How Joey puts up with the pointed hat crowd here is beyond me, but I applaud him for it. However, I am sure the asshat brigade will not rest until they drive him and every other escort from this MC.

 

Talk about negativity and BOORISH behavior...