safety person

[johnnyboy]

About two weeks ago Juan Vancouver said in a post that he always give information to a safety person before a meeting with a client . I can only agree that he does this to protect himself. My question is what kind of information you give your safety person. For example when i hire an escort i always use a fake name (however it has been the same since i started hiring) and use a prepaid cellphone. I never contact a guy by sending him an email because he can track the IP. For all i want to keep my real id as a secret. This way of contact and finally the meeting has never been a problem. On the other hand i'm also alert to my personal safety and inform a very good friend who i will meet, where and when the event will take place. Afterwards i call him that everything went well. When having a meeting at the escorts place sometimes i can't be specific about the adress because they won't give but then i leave my cellphone on. If anything would happen it's possible to trace the location with the phone signal. Anyone more suggestions for how to protect your safety (escort and client)

[+ azdr0710]

hey johnny.....some here may mock you about paranoia and all that, but I'm with you.....all these internet hookup horror stories we hear about are media hype, but we might as well be careful......I don't tell another person about my whereabouts, but I do the prepaid phone thing and other stuff.....you can also google the escort's number (almost never tells anything, tho)....ultimately, trust has to exist to an extent and you need to trust your gut.....

[josephga]

Since most have a rule of no blocked calls wouldnt a prepaid phone defeat that purpose?

[instudiocity]

Gee, those steps are beyond what I take. Maybe I need to rethink.

 

I've been very fortunate with my escorts. I do use a 'for escorting only' email address just to keep that part of my life out of my mail client and off my computer.

 

I always have at least one and generally a few phone conversations with the escort prior to scheduling an appointment.I always meet the escort in a public place first. Starbucks, a bar, I've even taken a few to dinner - who says escorts are only about sex?

 

But I'm pretty open about who I am and they get my phone number. And after the first visit to their place, I might have them over to my place, so they get my address.

 

I guess I place a lot of trust in the guys that make it through my screening:

-Daddy's Reviewed

-Email exchanges (I tend to read a lot into how conversant an escort is.)

-Phone conversation(s) (Did he express himself openly and positively?)

-Initial visit at that coffee shop or bar.

 

One more thing, I want to see the escort's living situation even if he doesn't entertain me there. I, personally, want to know that he is in a stable, clean, healthy environment and is escorting for the right reasons. I believe someone who is desperate, unclean, or unhealthy situation needs my help not my business.

[Juan Vancouver]

Hey Johnnyboy,

 

Even if I could not be able to vouch for all well reviewed escorts in this site, I would venture to suggest that when you are meeting with a consistently well reviewed escort, who has throughout the years shown a dedication to discretion, professionalism and safety, you should never feel worried about meeting him. I believe that was one of the goals of Hooboy for the reviews and forum.

 

Regarding your question:

 

When I go to visit a client, my safety person has the phone number and address. If I go to a hotel, he also has the room number that I have already confirmed by calling through the hotel line. When I get there I call him so that he knows that I am in the precise location and that I am well. If my client suggests to change location, I alert my security person.

 

If a client is coming to me I give my security person the email address, the phone number that I have called to confirm, and I only do incals in buildings that have a security system that would allow identifying whoever visited me in the case something went bad. As you may be aware, buildings with video surveillance tend to erase their videos every now and then and are only released after the insistence of law enforcement. (Your escort doesn't have access to it just for fun. You could only be identified if something awful happened to your escort.)

 

As soon as I call to say I am out and well, the information gets destroyed.

 

If there is more people than I agreed to meet, if there is anything shady or if my gut tells me to excuse myself (free of charge), I run for the hills and let my security person know that something's wrong on the initial contact.

 

I NEVER, without any excuse, meet anyone outside of their location. The only exception being when I am being picked up at the airport, in which case I send a text message with the license plates of the car I get on, and make sure that the final address I am taken to matches the address I was given in advance.

 

I would never agree to meet anyone in a coffee shop or anywhere that is not their hotel or their address.

 

Up to this day, I have been turned down maybe by five people. In many years of escorting, only a handful of men have thought that these requests are unfair, and sadly I have missed the chance to make their acquaintance.

 

Many of my friends have landed in airports in which nobody was expecting them, gone to fake addresses, have not been paid, have been threatened and taken to shady places where they feared for their wellness, and all this happened because they didn't have enough verified information about their prospective clients.

 

I believe that there is no amount of money that would justify putting myself at risk in any way and even if there are some people who believe I should accept their terms and go on blind dates, I prefer to focus on the huge amount of people who are willing to honour me as a human being, understand that my wellness is my currency and agree to provide what I need in order to meet.

 

In the end, I think there is no request that is outrageous, as long as it is made politely and logically.

 

 

May your sessions be fun, relaxed, fulfilling, easy and free of worry!

[orbital sander]

Honestly, I am pretty open. I figure that there is no way to conceal ones self or identity is someone really wants to get it. I often wonder if it is more unsafe fretting or worring too much (remember I said "too" much). I think the most important security check is to work with those who have some reviews and also a paid advertisement in one or more of the more common web sites.

[+ azdr0710]

Since most have a rule of no blocked calls wouldnt a prepaid phone defeat that purpose?

 

joseph.....I think most prepaid phones don't block their number, unless you manually set it up to block....*67 then the number blocks your number to the person you're calling....

[+ azdr0710]

[quote=Juan Vancouver;671074

I would never agree to meet anyone in a coffee shop or anywhere that is not their hotel or their address.

 

Juan....not questioning this, but just wondering what the reasons are you don't meet first at a public place....some people actually insist on that, you know, for safety.....

[doitb4ugo]

[quote=Juan Vancouver;671074

I would never agree to meet anyone in a coffee shop or anywhere that is not their hotel or their address.

 

Juan....not questioning this, but just wondering what the reasons are you don't meet first at a public place....some people actually insist on that, you know, for safety.....

 

Can I guess that doing so would allow the client to take Juan to a location different that what his safe guy knows...at this point Juan is no longer traceable should something happen. Sorry to answer for Juan but I'm on a high today and can't stop myself besides I just love quizes.

[josephga]

joseph.....I think most prepaid phones don't block their number, unless you manually set it up....*67 then the number blocks your number to the person you're calling....

 

Iv never had a pre paid phone. I assume a pre paid phone can't be traced to the owner. Even if the number isn't blocked it defects the purpose if it can't be traced to a owner. Allot of escorts an masseurs req a unblocked number for safty reasons. say a client harms the escort. the police can trace that number to a owner.

[+ azdr0710]

Iv never had a pre paid phone. I assume a pre paid phone can't be traced to the owner. Even if the number isn't blocked it defects the purpose if it can't be traced to a owner. Allot of escorts an masseurs req a unblocked number for safty reasons. say a client harms the escort. the police can trace that number to a owner.

 

some of us, including me, do this: go to Target or WalMart, buy a "trac" phone with cash, activate it at a payphone using fictional information when asked, and recharge it paying cash for the recharge card......I occasionally use intelius.com and its "reverse cell phone lookup" feature (for a small fee) to check if my name is linked to this prepaid cell number....yeah, paranoia is my middle name

[Guest FactsPlease]

some of us, including me, do this: go to Target or WalMart, buy a "trac" phone with cash, activate it at a payphone using fictional information when asked, and recharge it paying cash for the recharge card......I occasionally use intelius.com and its "reverse cell phone lookup" feature (for a small fee) to check if my name is linked to this prepaid cell number....yeah, paranoia is my middle name

 

These are all good suggestions for staying safe. In addition to these precautions, I usually try to take indirect routes to the escort's apartment to ensure that I'm not being followed, and will often abruptly turn without any warning to evade a tail. I tend to wear a long trench coat with an upturned collar and a large hat, even in the summer, to prevent detection.

 

And most important, I always show up to meet the escort wearing something to disguise my appearance, usually these:

 

http://comps.fotosearch.com/comp/UNZ/UNZ221/groucho-marx-glasses_~u16822244.jpg

 

A couple of friends I have routinely visit the plastic surgeon after an escort visit in order to have their appearance changed, but that strikes me as a bit overly cautious, though I understand the impulse.

[Juan Vancouver]

50% of the escort incidents, in which the escort is either stood up, bashed, or simply played with happens when the escort is asked to wait in so and so place, wearing specific clothes that are recognizable, till the supposed client approaches him and discloses his identity. Often happens that the escort is then made fun of, attacked by one or more, left there forever and so on. (The other thing no escort should ever do is get on a guy's car.)

 

As for phones, I am very aware that some of the calls that I receive are from phones that at first may not be traceable. That is why I also need a specific location with apartment or room number, and I won't meet anyone anywhere else. Those two pieces of information together give me enough confidence that if anything happened, my security person would know where to look and what to tell the police.

 

I was very lucky because when I started escorting, there was a grizzly trial case going on about a serial killer who targeted hookers. Had any of them followed my rules, they would still be here with me.

 

Some of the people I know still get themselves in trouble going to un-confirmed sessions. So far, (and knock on wood) I have not found myself in a situation in which I have felt threatened in any way.

 

These simple rules have made my profession the safe, fun and horny playground that it is for me. Even if I know some people will never contact me because of this, I would not change these rules for anything or for anyone.

 

Besides, I hope that I will be spared meeting someone who is terrified about meeting me, to the point that he has done anything in his power to prevent me from abusing his acquaintance. I am going to be taking in my hands the frailest, most intimately private areas of your psyche, and I sure hope that you will trust me enough to deal with that respectfully.

 

 

 

Interestingly, I have met a few very politically influential celebrities, famous wealthy men, politicians and so on, and it is these people the ones who tell their names and their locations without me having to ask. It has been from these people that I have received complete trust with information.

 

Go figure!

 

Only once I was called to a relatively scummy hotel and when I get there, an incredibly famous man opens the door to the tiny room and introduces himself as "John Doe", salesman. I was happy to meet John, even if we both were certain that there was no way I didn't know who he was. When I got out, two huge cars with people in them were waiting for John. (So much for fantasy.)

 

If you don't trust your escort... how can you hope to be taken by him into the realms of intimacy and pleasure he can take you to?

[josephga]

50% of the escort incidents, in which the escort is either stood up, bashed, or simply played with happens when the escort is asked to wait in so and so place, wearing specific clothes that are recognizable, till the supposed client approaches him and discloses his identity. Often happens that the escort is then made fun of, attacked by one or more, left there forever and so on. (The other thing no escort should ever do is get on a guy's car.)

 

As for phones, I am very aware that some of the calls that I receive are from phones that at first may not be traceable. That is why I also need a specific location with apartment or room number, and I won't meet anyone anywhere else. Those two pieces of information together give me enough confidence that if anything happened, my security person would know where to look and what to tell the police.

 

I was very lucky because when I started escorting, there was a grizzly trial case going on about a serial killer who targeted hookers. Had any of them followed my rules, they would still be here with me.

 

Some of the people I know still get themselves in trouble going to un-confirmed sessions. So far, (and knock on wood) I have not found myself in a situation in which I have felt threatened in any way.

 

These simple rules have made my profession the safe, fun and horny playground that it is for me. Even if I know some people will never contact me because of this, I would not change these rules for anything or for anyone.

 

Besides, I hope that I will be spared meeting someone who is terrified about meeting me, to the point that he has done anything in his power to prevent me from abusing his acquaintance. I am going to be taking in my hands the frailest, most intimately private areas of your psyche, and I sure hope that you will trust me enough to deal with that respectfully.

 

 

 

Interestingly, I have met a few very politically influential celebrities, famous wealthy men, politicians and so on, and it is these people the ones who tell their names and their locations without me having to ask. It has been from these people that I have received complete trust with information.

 

Go figure!

 

Only once I was called to a relatively scummy hotel and when I get there, an incredibly famous man opens the door to the tiny room and introduces himself as "John Doe", salesman. I was happy to meet John, even if we both were certain that there was no way I didn't know who he was. When I got out, two huge cars with people in them were waiting for John. (So much for fantasy.)

 

If you don't trust your escort... how can you hope to be taken by him into the realms of intimacy and pleasure he can take you to?

 

 

 

I agree with you regarding your precautions and anyone not liking it just move on. When i first started giving massages i would answer those blocked calls, big mistake, those tend to be the ones that won't show up, looking to play phone games or that drama about being married and can't give me the number. well guess what? if anyone couldn't trust me to be descret with their info then why would they want to come to my home in the first place. better yet why would i want them their? I'm sure over the years I lost clients. I req a unblocked numbers, no outcalls, all clients had too come to me, no friends or couples in my studio together, if a couple wanted massage id give one a massage and the other could come back later or sit in the car.

[instudiocity]

I agree with you regarding your precautions and anyone not liking it just move on. When i first started giving massages i would answer those blocked calls, big mistake, those tend to be the ones that won't show up, looking to play phone games or that drama about being married and can't give me the number. well guess what? if anyone couldn't trust me to be descret with their info then why would they want to come to my home in the first place. better yet why would i want them their? I'm sure over the years I lost clients. I req a unblocked numbers, no outcalls, all clients had too come to me, no friends or couples in my studio together, if a couple wanted massage id give one a massage and the other could come back later or sit in the car.

 

Sounds like you've got some good filters:

• No Blocked # Calls - Blocked #'s tend to point to flakes, marrieds, non-trusting individuals
  
• No Outcalls
  
• No multiple clients inside at once
  

[josephga]

some married guys would call from their normal everyday business phone. most that called from blocked calls would want to just chat but never would book, or ill be there in 2 hrs and never shows up. or married never had a massage b4 would book from a blocked number then chicken out. after about a month into things I learned to not answer the blocked calls. I had this one guy he called shows up, i have the table setup the towel steamer going, the massage music on. he comes in i close the door and he says joe i'm so sorry i just can't go through with it. he explains that he tried to get massages b4 but chickened out didn't show but this time he thought he could go through with it but realized he just couldn't. i stepped out of his way and i just let him leave. now imo the right thing to do was to pay me my rate. It was the last session of the day 10 pm so i couldn't rebook it. but no he offered nothing and i didn't push it

[doitb4ugo]

Sounds like you've got some good filters:

• No Blocked # Calls - Blocked #'s tend to point to flakes, marrieds, non-trusting individuals
  
• No Outcalls
  
• No multiple clients inside at once
  

 

some married guys would call from their normal everyday business phone. most that called from blocked calls would want to just chat but never would book, or ill be there in 2 hrs and never shows up. or married never had a massage b4 would book from a blocked number then chicken out. after about a month into things I learned to not answer the blocked calls. I had this one guy he called shows up, i have the table setup the towel steamer going, the massage music on. he comes in i close the door and he says joe i'm so sorry i just can't go through with it. he explains that he tried to get massages b4 but chickened out didn't show but this time he thought he could go through with it but realized he just couldn't. i stepped out of his way and i just let him leave. now imo the right thing to do was to pay me my rate. It was the last session of the day 10 pm so i couldn't rebook it. but no he offered nothing and i didn't push it

 

You will pardon my chagrin. If I were to substitute many other groupings of people into your bash on marrieds, I could easily be considered guilty of gross stereotyping.

 

All Flakes are probably flakes by definition. All marrieds are probably marrieds by definition. To sugest that all marrieds are also flakes strikes me as ignorant, intollerance in its highest form...

 

My appologies for getting angry over something as minor as ignorance.

 

Thank you for listening. I have no hope of changing your so called opinion but I feel 100% better calling it what it is.

[josephga]

I never used the word flake.

[doitb4ugo]

Sounds like you've got some good filters:

• No Blocked # Calls - Blocked #'s tend to point to flakes, marrieds, non-trusting individuals
  
• No Outcalls
  
• No multiple clients inside at once
  

 

That is true

 

I never used the word flake.

[josephga]

deej daddy who every s around I would like for my profile too be deleted asp. Those who have my email addy can contact me that way. peace out

[+ deej]

deej daddy who every s around I would like for my profile too be deleted asp. Those who have my email addy can contact me that way. peace out

 

go to the Settings page (link at the top of every page) and turn off email and private messages if you don't want to receive them.

[instudiocity]

All Flakes are probably flakes by definition. All marrieds are probably marrieds by definition. To suggest that all marrieds are also flakes strikes me as ignorant, intolerance in its highest form...

 

My apologies for getting angry over something as minor as ignorance.

In my post, you should/could easily substitute the , for or. My apologies for angering you...

[instudiocity]

There's an APP for that on my iPhone

 

I've discovered a really cool APP for iPhone that would work with or without a safety person. It's called Motion-X GPS. In the Settings section, you may choose to have Motion-X GPS transmit Automatic Position Updates every 5, 15, 30 or 60 minutes via email to 5 different email addresses as well as FaceBook and Twitter.

 

Because Motion-X GPS works off the GPS, cell tower triangulation, and Wi-Fi sensing in the iPhone, an accuracy to within 10 meters can be achieved. So Safety Persons looking at the transmission could determine the floor you are on in a high-rise, provided, of course, the phone has a clear view of the sky.

 

Either way, with an every 5 minutes position update, emailed to 5 of your Safety Persons, Facebook and Twitter, EVERY BODY could know WHERE YOU ARE! But, unless you're VERY ACTIVE and the iPhone is holstered to your nekkid body, the 10 meter accuracy wouldn't tell us just what you are doing, but we'd know WHERE you were doing it!

[Guest DuchessIvanaKizznhugg]

You will pardon my chagrin. If I were to substitute many other groupings of people into your bash on marrieds, I could easily be considered guilty of gross stereotyping.

 

All Flakes are probably flakes by definition. All marrieds are probably marrieds by definition. To sugest that all marrieds are also flakes strikes me as ignorant, intollerance in its highest form...

 

My appologies for getting angry over something as minor as ignorance.

 

Thank you for listening. I have no hope of changing your so called opinion but I feel 100% better calling it what it is.

 

Doit, I think you have read much into the comments that was not the intention of the posters.

I suspect being married may make you more prone to notice a slight, but I really don't think any animosity was suggested.

[doitb4ugo]

Doit, I think you have read much into the comments that was not the intention of the posters.

I suspect being married may make you more prone to notice a slight, but I really don't think any animosity was suggested.

 

Thank you, Duchess. You are quite right. I agree that no slight was intended in the posts. When I read the posts, I felt I was being lumped into a class of people (marrieds) who were being labelled as flakes and were somehow unreliable and disrespectful toward escorts. Something that escorts needed to weed out in their communication process.

 

We have had some very lively discussions here about marrieds in the past. I did not want to let pass the subtle innuendo which as I said would be offensive if I substituted "latino" or "jew" for the "marrieds" word in the post. While mostly harmless anecdotes, etc. I took them to heart and respoded too harshly.

 

My apologies to Joseph and Instudiocity for my "nastiness". And a thanks to you for you calm and kind post to bring this back to reality. thanks