Card Carryin'

[Guest Texas Ted]

>Heres a news flash-nearly every

>escort I have ever kow is HIV positive. Duh.

 

Is that hyperbole or are you serious? If that is anywhere close to accurate, I've been very naive. And now even more scared.

[guyinsf]

Don't be too concerned. He used the word "nearly" and is referring to escorts he has known. Without more data this doesn't mean much. If he knows three escorts and two are hiv+, then nearly every escort he knows is hiv+. This sample could hardly be generalized to a larger population. Still, it makes sense to always keep in mind that your sexual partner (paid or not) could be hiv+.

[Guest in yer face]

>Don't be too concerned. He used the word "nearly" and is

>referring to escorts he has known. Without more data this

>doesn't mean much. If he knows three escorts and two are

>hiv+, then nearly every escort he knows is hiv+. This

>sample could hardly be generalized to a larger population.

>Still, it makes sense to always keep in mind that your

>sexual partner (paid or not) could be hiv+.

 

It wasnt a hyperbole, I have reasons for knowing what Im talking about. But at least you get the point. Play safe, bottom line. Theres really no reason to be having this conversation. The fact is, you should just assume that the person that you are with is positive and play accordingly.

[ad rian]

>If you

>cut off men with HIV, you really diminish your chances of

>finding true love.

 

As I said before, I don't see how anyone can argue against disclosure of relevant information. I think an escort's right to privacy about his HIV status ends when he offers his body for sale. You want privacy, don't put yourself on the market. But once on the market, customers have a right to know to make informed choices about risks. Some may choose to knowingly have sex with HIV+ escorts, but mosts won't. And that is precisely why most escorts hide behind privacy when what their's is a marketing strategy not a moral principle.

[ad rian]

>What roubles me is that you are not able to see the bigger

>picture. In a effort to make you feel more at ease in your

>sex life, you would be willing to overlook the American

>right to privacy. The future consequences, such as forced

>testing, and any reprocutions that would arise from that

>mean nothing to you.

 

Look we have prudential health regulation over many commercial activities from elevator operators to restaurants to grocery meat departments, etc. Why those selling sexual services deserve more privacy rights with respect to their health is simply beyond me. More importantly, we will never achieve decriminalization or legalization if escorts choose to hide behind privacy rights to put clients at risk without disclosing known risks to clients.

[ad rian]

>I have had HIV for over 20 years. My partner of 20 years

>remains HIV negative.

>How many gay relationsahip last more than 20 DAYS? If you

>cut off men with HIV, you really diminish your chances of

>finding true love.

>But maybe that's not what you are looking for.

 

I hate to come back twice on the same posting, but am I the only one who finds it more than a little bit weird to be lectured on the meaning of true love from a man in a committed relationship who posts regularly on an escort site?

[Flower]

>I hate to come back twice on the same posting, but am I the

>only one who finds it more than a little bit weird to be

>lectured on the meaning of true love from a man in a

>committed relationship who posts regularly on an escort

>site?

 

My, aren't we judgmental. It seems that there is a direct relationship between ignorance and passing judgment--education will set you free.

Flower :*

[Flower]

> As I said before,

>if you like having sex with people you know to have

>comunicable diseases, just go to your nearest hospital, and

>make your preferences known. I am sure they can find you

>lots of diseased people to have sex with. Why stop at HIV,

>if that is your idea of a trip to the races?

 

It's hard to believe that an otherwise seemingly intelligent person is saying this shit. The funny part about all of this is that you are probably having sex with poz partners all the time but just don't know it. Being safe is only common sense, but to refuse to have sex with someone just because he is poz is totally unreasonable and displays more ignorance that the originator of this thread, if that is possible.

 

I have sex with a beautiful person who is poz on a regular basis and although I take some precautions, I do it all :+ I'm not partnered but would never let hiv status prevent me from hooking up with the right guy. You obviously have access to the web, so start reading dude -- education will set you free

 

Flower :*

[Guest seraph250]

>I hate to come back twice on the same posting, but am I the

>only one who finds it more than a little bit weird to be

>lectured on the meaning of true love from a man in a

>committed relationship who posts regularly on an escort

>site?

 

No you're not the only one. But if you want weird, compare the threads in which people blast escorts or clients for breaking appointments with the ones in which some of the same people say they have no problem with breaking marriage vows.

[Guest Texas Ted]

Intercourse without a condom, of course, is foolish. But just what else is too risky when one person is positive?

 

I know, everything in life has its risk but I need some specific info (there is no place to get help in my remote area).

 

What about reciprocal sucking and rimming?

 

My heart wants to ignore the dangers present with my friend but I don’t want to be reckless and self-destructive.

 

I guess you can tell I’m in an emotional mess over this.

[Donnie]

>some of the same people say they have no problem with breaking marriage vows.

 

You've brought this up a million times in the past. You and adrian have such a problem with people "cheating" - it's clear you've both been cheated on & hurt in the past. Perhaps it's time you moved on & got past your pain. Your motives here are painfully obvious.

[Traveller]

>You've brought this up a million times in the past. You and

>adrian have such a problem with people "cheating" - it's

>clear you've both been cheated on & hurt in the past.

>Perhaps it's time you moved on & got past your pain. Your

>motives here are painfully obvious.

 

Nope, Donnie, you've got it backwards. In my experience, the ones that complain the most about something are doing it themselves.

 

Later.

[Donnie]

>Nope, Donnie, you've got it backwards. In my experience,

>the ones that complain the most about something are doing it

>themselves.

 

ahhh - good point. You're right. Makes them seem even more pathetic, if that's possible.

[ad rian]

>You've brought this up a million times in the past. You and

>adrian have such a problem with people "cheating" - it's

>clear you've both been cheated on & hurt in the past.

>Perhaps it's time you moved on & got past your pain. Your

>motives here are painfully obvious.

 

For the record, I have never before expressed a view about cheating. I just think it is a hoot to be lectured on the ethics of true love by a serial cheater. Cheat if you want, I don't care, but leave the love story to someone else, please. And while you are at it, please don't mount the ethical pedestal about sex with diseased people unless you are prepared to sleep with a typhoid patient or a leper in defense of the principle of non-discrimination, to say nothing of the ethics of the risk you share with the general population from your own folly with nary a hint of regret or shame!

[+ Lucky]

"I just think it is a hoot to be lectured on the ethics of true love by a serial cheater"

One thing lawyers are supposed to know is not to assume facts not in evidence.

I may be a cereal cheater, but a cheater, I am not.

Finally, nowhere did I ever say that this issue is simple. I'll stop there.

[Traveller]

>I may be a cereal cheater, but a cheater, I am not.

 

I thought his post was directed to me; and, as I believe that English may be his second language, I thought he'd just screwed up a bit. Certainly I'm a cereal cheetah - a Cap'n Crunchie Cat, but I'm not sure what he was trying to convey if other than that.

 

Later.

[+ Lucky]

Oh!

[Guest seraph250]

Neither of us complained about cheating, stupid. We're complaining about being lectured on values by people whose own values leave plenty to complain about.

 

And what the fuck do you have to complain about? You've never posted anything on this board that wasn't for the purpose of throwing shit at someone else. It's what you live for, if you can call it living.

[+ Lucky]

seraph may actually make his alter ego look like a nice guy!:7

[Guest seraph250]

What would you know about 'nice'? You're one of the nastiest characters around here. For you to lecture other people about love is like Hitler giving a lecture about tolerance.

[+ Lucky]

"You're one of the nastiest characters around here."

Okay, I'm game. How many people agree with that?

[Donnie]

>What would you know about 'nice'? You're one of the

>nastiest characters around here.

 

Actually, that would be me (and you). Lucky's a good guy, as are most of the people who post here.

[Guest elime]

Molotov

 

I must confess that my original post was composed to intentionally start a bar fight, like...well, like a girl who knows how to flirt with two guys at once. I worked long and hard to get just the right callow tone that I thought might bring the bullies out of the woodwork and thus get your attention. Socratic irony is still such an effective rhetorical tool.

 

And boy has "in yer face" ever delivered in spades. I knew mention of a "card" and a "business" would really get somebody all hopped up and frothing at the mouth. You are all I hoped for and more, IYF.

 

You defend something that is in essence purely unethical. Casting escorts who lie about their HIV status as people with RIGHTS to be protected betrays a complete lack of understanding towards the responsibilities of freedom. This confuses the other issues you have mentioned, which have to do with the rights of individuals to have private medical records. The white house just torpedoed those rights with an executive order, by the way. All they have to do is send you a letter, and if you don't respond THEY CAN TURN OVER YOUR RECORDS TO THOSE WHO REQUEST THEM. Throw the letter away as junk mail and you're fuct.

 

Ad rian, you are a classic hero. You saw the sub-problem and stuck to your guns the whole way. I salute you sir.

 

HIV poz escorts should RETIRE!!! It's your responsibility as a sex worker. And if they don't then they should be FORCED TO by the authorities. The problem of HIV poz clients is tougher. But that doesn't mean you can't start at one end of the equation and work eastward. Perhaps if we TALK ABOUT IT MORE in a non-hysterical way we could come up with a solution that could be implemented in a mercantile democracy such as our own.

 

In my opinion, prostitution should be legalized and regulated. Bring back the brothel. At least there was a visible authority figure to negotiate with when there is a dispute. The current agency system is merely an answering service. In Yer Face is an ambivalent enabler and the current system is unacceptable. That's why I brought up Australia, which has sensible laws regarding escorts and hence, brothels.

 

Now, answer me this: the government is ALREADY quietly targeting escorts as a health risk. John Ashcroft (a real live religious fascist) is ALREADY trying to find a way to get HIV poz escorts off the streets/internet. I'm sure Herr Ashcroft would shut all sex workers down, if he could figure out a way to do it. We're ALREADY LIVING with fascists at the top of the government. It's just being kept quiet by the people who are doing the rounding up. And good men are staying SILENT or in the case of IYF, babbling hysterically. If we don't do something about these problems, then right wing fascists will do it for us.

 

The question is: why do liberal democrats defend indefensible ethical issues. It just leads to the ultra right wing gaining a toehold. Sex workers are going to exist. We need sensible regulations. The free market is not the best of all possible worlds. Anything with inelastic demand is going to cause trouble if it isn’t regulated. Hence, deregulated electricity in California (Enron), deregulation of the communications industry (WorldCom), deregulation of the airlines (they're begging to be regulated again), no-regulation of medicine (astronomical healthcare costs). How long are we going to let these phonies phone in their answers!!!!

 

So, let's get George Bush OUT of the White House. We need to start NOW. Al Gore will LOSE the white house to the Republicans again. Let’s not let him get the nomination. Anybody know who Howard Dean is? How bout John Edwards? I bet some of you do. We need these two guys running this country. Let's start NOW. Get Involved. Stay involved. Hold their feet to the fire. Evaluate, then reconfigure. Trans-value your values.

 

BTW, I always play safe or not at all.

 

http://www.vote-smart.com

 

another time,

emil lime

 

p.s. Godiva is a cop, IMHO. One might think that he is merely a naked lady on a horse, but he's really " like a box of chocolates", where you NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET.

 

Kind of like life.

[Guest seraph250]

Okay, so that makes you and one of your other screen names who have voted for you so far. What about the other screen names? Are you so unpleasant you can't even get most of your own screen names to support you? Hell, I bet even your own pets don't want to spend time with you. Maybe if you tied a pork chop around your neck?

[Flower]

RE: Molotov

 

>I must confess that my original post was composed to

>intentionally start a bar fight, like...well, like a girl

>who knows how to flirt with two guys at once. I worked long

>and hard to get just the right callow tone that I thought

>might bring the bullies out of the woodwork and thus get

>your attention. Socratic irony is still such an effective

>rhetorical tool.

 

Well, it is so easy for you to say that now after you realize how stupid your post was in the first place, but my money is still on just plain stupidity (but not so stupid that you don't want to try and save face) :+

 

Regardless, you'll probably change names again since your posts with this name will get very little response in the future--either you're stupid or just trying to bait -- either way not worth it.

 

Flower :*