Montreal in June

[Poppie]

We have been going to Montreal once or twice a year for nearly 10 years. Unfortunately, we were not able to go last year. So, it was with great interest that I read recent discussions indicating that the City and more so the Village has really gone down hill. Not what it used to be. Our experience could not be any farther from those reports. We had a blast! I found the Village as charming as ever. Maybe my expectations are not as high as others.

 

Cashed in the last of my USAir miles, making the plane tickets only $75 each, round trip from Tampa. We arrived last Thursday, early evening. Had a limo waiting for us. Quickly freshened up, grabbed a bite, then headed to Campus. We weren't there more than about 10 minutes when the owner Dan walked in and sat down with us. Then, here comes the cocktail waiter Damien (very cute twink type, former dancer) with shots of tequila. Welcome Back! It was Dan's birthday weekend too, so we were treated to pizza at the shooter bar, shrimp cocktails, cheeses and more. What a wonderful host. Speaking of the shooter bar, Chriss from Taboo is there. Surprised that he is taller than I thought. GREAT looking man. VERY sweet too. I'm only sorry that I never got to see him during his dancing days.

 

The next 5 nights were filled with extremely good looking young men. More drinks, more shots and plenty of time in the back. More of that later.

 

We discovered a couple of restaurants that I can highly recommend. Chez Cora for breakfast. Yummy ham and cheese omelet wrapped in a crepe, covered with hollandaise sauce. Villa Rouge has an amazing brunch on Saturday's and Sunday's. SO much wonderful food. Dinner at Villa Rouge was equally amazing. We also made a return trip to La Cave located at the end of the square near the Port in Old Montreal. The waiter was a major hottie. Kind of that gruff look with a beautiful smile.

 

One of the things we particularly liked about the Village this trip was the fact that Ste Catherine was closed for maybe about 20 blocks. Most of the restaurants and bars have built decks out over the sidewalk and partially into the street. People walking everywhere, dining street side, watching the world and some amazing looking men walking by.

 

SIGHTED: Ronielle walking down the street. Blonde Filipino massage therapist and escort. Ronielle.ca. The pictures do not do him justice.

 

ALSO sighted: Porn star Alexy Tyler. Working as a waiter at Campus. Goes by Sammy. This man in person is even HOTTER than his films. Ripped, beautiful smile. Really nice guy.

 

After spending a wonderful afternoon and early Sunday evening at Campus, we decided to leave the Men at the mercy of the girls on ladies night. Have not been to Stock in quite some time. Thought we'd pop in for one. Surprised to see a cover charge, but figured what the heck. The place was dead (about 10pm). Typically I don't care if a bar is slow. Improves my odds for visiting with a hot young man and maybe going into the back. No luck that evening. Surprisingly mostly young slender dancers that night busy with other customers. One pushy queen approached me. Major attitude. Was glad to move on. Historically, I've never really enjoyed Stock as much as I thought I would.

 

We did check out JP's. I like how the bar has been opened up. DJ now directly across from the stage. Another bar and more seating where the DJ and the booths used to be. Upstairs are the booths. One side with no curtains for the women. The other side full curtains for the men. Real nice patio up on the roof. Talk of putting in a hot tub. I can only imagine the goings on up there on a warm summer night. JP's is (at least now) opening at 3pm. No cover. Twink dancers in the afternoon. No women allowed until 9pm. I think this bar has some potential. That is if you can keep Ray (former Campus dancer) at bay. No more comments on that front.

 

Did not go to Taboo. I've never cared for the lack of privacy in the lap dance room. And, the young twink boys are just not my type.

 

Finally, more on my favorite bar, Campus. I find this bar consistently very entertaining. The men are not pushy, but catching someone's eye, ginning and nodding, will pretty much guarantee you some company. I was fortunate enough to meet some fantastic men. I'll keep the details to myself, but here are the ones I spent some time with:

 

Davey: Medium height, beefy build, GREAT chest and smile.

 

Theo: Tall, dark and slender. Of Greek origin. DAMN ,,, is all I'll say.

 

Gabrielle: SO good looking, and VERY entertaining. Found a video of him topping some inked muscle man. Glad we spent some time together.

 

Brandon: Still working there, thank goodness. About 5'5" of solid blonde muscle. Competing for Mr. Canada this year. What a sweatheart.

 

Patrick: DAMN can this young man where a pair of jeans and a clingy t-shirt. One of the nicest guys we EVER met. He will be remembered always.

 

Nick: Picture a tall, slender muscled blonde Woody Harrelson when he was 20. I think he's only been there about a week. Works construction, so you may find him only on the weekends. A bit shy in the bar .... BUT.

 

Maxime: OMG. About 6' tall, 200#, dark hair, baby face and a beautiful smile. Nice ink on his back. This is a young man you could fall in love with. Fellow Scorpio. Nuff said.

 

All of these young men were amazing. Each with his own way of being sensual, erotic and playful. Thank goodness they help to keep me feeling young. More importantly, I have a younger partner that takes GREAT care of that too!

 

If you've not been to Montreal in the summer, GO. The street closure, the great food, the beautiful men are enough to keep me going back. And going back often!

[Guest mvan1]

 

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So, it was with great interest that I read recent discussions indicating that the City and more so the Village has really gone down hill. Not what it used to be. Our experience could not be any farther from those reports. We had a blast! I found the Village as charming as ever. Maybe my expectations are not as high as others.

 

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Just what Montreal needs - another Polly Anna

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or do you have an interest in one of the clubs in Montreal?

 

No positive report will hide reality of the decline of Montreal's village which is merely a shell of what it was only a few years ago.

 

Those of us who posted our honest opinions, reactions and disappointment with the changes in Montreal cannot all be wrong.

 

Like you wrote, perhaps your expectations were not high -

 

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[LurkerSpeaks]

Why can't we just respect each other's opinions?? Some people have good times, others are disappointed...Report your findings..why try to "convince" others that what they experienced was not real to them???

--signed "Pollyannaspeaks"

[Guest mvan1]

 

Why can't we just respect each other's opinions?? Some people have good times, others are disappointed...Report your findings..why try to "convince" others that what they experienced was not real to them???

--signed "Pollyannaspeaks"

 

 

Now the original Polly chimes in!

 

It is not a matter of disrespecting other peoples' opinions. It a matter of clarifying the truth of what happened to Montreal's village in recent years.

 

If I and several others had not posted our observations, other unsuspecting travelers to Montreal might waste time and money going there only to look for something that simply no longer exists.

 

Go back and look at the posts concerning Montreal over the past two months. Also look at all the posted photos of dancers.

 

Are we all wrong? Are we all disrespecting other peoples' opinions?

 

I think not.

 

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[tazmanian5230]

Pollyanna ? ?

 

I havent said much about the Montreal threads because my opinion might seem like I have some special motives.

 

After weeks of a small group of posters complaining about the village falling apart I still dont know what the "years gone by village" has lost.

 

Some stores have closed, some have opened. Things everywhere change.

 

As far as the pictures posted of the "Montreal Boys" that is not even close to what Montreal has to offer. Its a small sample of what the OP likes from the club(s) he visits.

 

If you dont like Montreal and will never come back thats your option...

Why not let other have there opinions ?

[Samai139]

Poppie--

Thank you very much for the report on your recent visit to Montreal. I'm not sure why some posters/readers find it necessary to criticize others' opinions and I fear that this sniping may cause visitors to Montreal to be reluctant to report. Going to Montreal is purely personal and the decision to go or not to go will be made on the basis of past experiences, present economic situation (, and hope for what may be found. The strip bars present opportunities for those who are interested in that type of thing and will vary from night to night, weekend to weekend. Visits to other sites in the city are helpful, even if the reader is not looking for a place to eat breakfast, a wonderful steak house, or where to get the best drinks. I'm not sure if I would have visited the Botanical Gardens had it not been for a report on them that I read on this site. Others will obviously ignore places in the city that hold no appeal.

It appears that you had a good time; your report was discreet when describing dancers and yet mentions enough to pique the reader's interest. Thanks again for allowing me a glimpse of what I am unable to experience this summer. Maybe this fall or there's always next year.

[Guest mvan1]

 

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After weeks of a small group of posters complaining about the village falling apart I still dont know what the "years gone by village" has lost.

 

 

If you still believe the village is the same as it was years ago, no amount of posting from a small group or large group will influence your opinion.

 

 

If you dont like Montreal and will never come back thats your option...

 

 

You leap from our (a small group of posters) postings concerns and disappointment with Montreal's village to our not liking Montreal, itself.

 

None of the posters who expressed disappointment over the marked changes in the village ever said anything about not liking Montreal, the city.

 

 

Why not let other have there opinions ?

 

 

Where do you get that others cannot have an opinion? I and "the small group" expressed our opinion and you and another small group expressed your opinions.

 

Your logic mystifies me.

 

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[LurkerSpeaks]

another long term poster's views

 

TownsendPLocke, and ex-long term poster from here who moved "next door to MER" was in Montreal recently and posted his experiences. Many of the veterans here know this poster, possibly by another name, but trust me to say that he was around here long before I started posting... Anyone who is curious as to his findings, feel free to read his report at http://www.maleescortreview.com/forum/index.php?/topic/4426-annual-montreal-visit

 

PS.. He emailed me and asked me to post this link after reading all the bickering from people lately....One man's good time is another man's bad one...to each his own...

[Guest mvan1]

 

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PS.. He emailed me and asked me to post this link after reading all the bickering from people lately....One man's good time is another man's bad one...to each his own...

 

 

It seems that Polly just can’t get anything right.

 

We (several long time visitors to Montreal’s “village") posted our observations concerning how the village had markedly changed for the worse during the past several years.

 

Then, Polly (and a few others) came to the rescue of the village and slipped into a state of denial!

 

During Polly’s futile village rescue attempts, Polly rejected reality and continues to claim that the village is still the same despite cited facts and proof to the contrary.

 

In the most recent post, Polly refers to the well-intended and truthful postings we made - - as “bickering"

 

Here is the definition of "bickering" according to:

 

Merriam-Webster’s On-Line Dictionary

 

bickering: to engage in a petulant or petty quarrel

 

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Apparently Polly regards any post that does not conform to his denial as "bickering."

 

Can’t Polly get anything right?

 

By the way, the link Polly provided takes us to MER and to an interesting post and responses that confirm some of the negative changes in the village that we posted previously (the U.S. dollar value decline, the $20.00 songs etc.)

 

Just because some people enjoy themselves in Montreal’s village does not mean that the village has not changed for the negative. And that, Dear Polly, is where you fail to connect the dots.

 

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[tazmanian5230]

Polly

If you stop feeding this troll I will buy you a cracker next time you fly into Montreal....

 

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[Guest mvan1]

 

Polly

If you stop feeding this troll I will buy you a cracker next time you fly into Montreal....

 

 

Please refer to post number 7, above. Tasmanian's post (#7) did not make sense and it was factually wrong.

 

Obviously, he did not like my response to his disjointed assertions. Of course, Tasmanian is angry and is unhappy with what I wrote.

 

Now, Tasmanian's answer to my response is to post a photo of a cartoon character and a can of spray. This tells a lot about his lack of maturity and his inability to respond logically to facts.

 

If he and others truly believe that Montreal's village has not changed during recent years then there is really no amount of logic that can penetrate their intransigence against accepting the truth.

 

I wish them well and I hope they continue to enjoy themselves in the village.

 

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[Cooper]

Montreal update by Poppie

 

Poppie, As someone who frequently travels to Montreal I'm always interested in reading about the latest. I want to thank you for posting your travel report and encourage others to continue doing the same.

 

Not everyone has the same travel experience but, whether we agree or disagree in what is reported, it's important to respect the opinions of others. Remember, attack the issue not the person.

 

Over the years, one of the biggest changes I've noticed in the Village has been the decline of both Taboo and JP's Cabaret (Adonis). Report after report mentions this. On my May visit I only stopped in at JP's once, I looked around and left. There was nothing there to hold my attention and the dancers I saw were ones that have been around for many years, it was well past their bed time.... As for Taboo, a club I used to spend lots of time at, the steady flow of negative reports have kept me away for years.

 

What I had always enjoyed about the Village was that you could easily walk from one strip club to the next and usually find a few dancers who could capture your interest and dollars. I hope in time that the club owners of JP's and Taboo will realize what made their clubs successful and return to the old ways.

 

In the meantime, Campus in the afternoons and Stock in the evenings works for me. I look forward to my next Montreal experience.

 

Again, thanks to all who continue to post here and share your thoughts. Your contributions is what makes this Forum succeed.

 

Coop

[Guest mvan1]

 

Poppie, As someone who frequently travels to Montreal I'm always interested in reading about the latest. I want to thank you for posting your travel report and encourage others to continue doing the same.

 

Not everyone has the same travel experience but, whether we agree or disagree in what is reported, it's important to respect the opinions of others. Remember, attack the issue not the person.

 

Over the years, one of the biggest changes I've noticed in the Village has been the decline of both Taboo and JP's Cabaret (Adonis). Report after report mentions this. On my May visit I only stopped in at JP's once, I looked around and left. There was nothing there to hold my attention and the dancers I saw were ones that have been around for many years, it was well past their bed time.... As for Taboo, a club I used to spend lots of time at, the steady flow of negative reports have kept me away for years.

 

What I had always enjoyed about the Village was that you could easily walk from one strip club to the next and usually find a few dancers who could capture your interest and dollars. I hope in time that the club owners of JP's and Taboo will realize what made their clubs successful and return to the old ways.

 

In the meantime, Campus in the afternoons and Stock in the evenings works for me. I look forward to my next Montreal experience.

 

Again, thanks to all who continue to post here and share your thoughts. Your contributions is what makes this Forum succeed.

 

Coop

 

 

Finally, the "voice of reason" returns with respect to accurate reporting of at least some of the changes in Montreal's village.

 

It is, indeed, reassuring to read Cooper's account and observations of a portion of his May trip to the village.

 

I appreciate Cooper's open mindedness and for his not joining with the ranks of those in denial.

 

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[twinkboylover28]

Here's a nice montage of montreal:

 

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[LustinGuy]

Girls! Girls! Girls! Enough with the silly bickering!

I've been going to Montreal regularly since 1990 and I think both 'sides' of this are absolutely right:

Montreal is not what it used to be. AND it is still the best place in the North America for what it offers!

So enjoy it if you still enjoy it and if you don't, find something else to do with your money!

Geez!

[Boston Guy]

It seems to me that it's a bit unfair to call someone a Pollyanna because they write a report that describes a good time that they had in Montreal. What Montreal offers isn't black or white, good or bad, fun or not fun. Instead, the city offers myriad opportunities to enjoy oneself. The same goes for the Village -- what excites one person may bore another.

 

To claim that someone is a Pollyanna because they visited Montreal and had a great time and wrote about it here is to miss the entire point, I think: that particular person had a great time in Montreal. Period. End of Story. Another person could go and do the exact same things and be bored to tears and write a different review. Each would be valid and each would offer a reader a valuable perspective. Over time, in a forum like this, people get to know whose opinion they value or who has similar tastes to their own and which advice might be most valuable to them.

 

I've been going to Montreal for eons. Over the years, I've enjoyed many terrific times at Stock, both at its current location and at its previous location. On the other hand, I've never found Taboo to be of much interest to me. Other posters would rave about Taboo and I'd enjoy reading about the great fun they had there but when I would venture over, I'd always leave after one drink because I was bored. It just wasn't my cup of tea. But I might well go to Montreal for a weekend, spend both nights at Stock and head home thinking that I had yet another great weekend in Montreal.

 

So it's really an "eye of the beholder" situation. One person might go to Montreal tomorrow and have a wonderful time and think that the Village is every bit as good as it ever was. Another person might be on the same plane and be very disappointed. Both would be right because they are seeing it through the lens of their own experience and their own expectations.

 

It's a disservice to the folks here to belittle posters who write honestly about their experience by calling them names like Pollyanna. Everyone here is a grown-up. We can all read all of the different reviews, sift through the ones that we think are valuable, and come to our own opinions.

 

 

BG

[LurkerSpeaks]

Thank you for your clear headed comments. It was what I was trying to say all along.. you can have a good time.. you can have a bad time.. In my opinion, you MAKE your own time..We all have opinions..I respect the fact that someone else may not have a good time. I appreciate their reports.. I posted my reports for what they were.. MY experiences.. take them for one persons' account.. Just like what I tell someone who asks about a specific dancer. .I tell them what kind of time the dancer and I shared, but I always say that your experience might be totally different.

[firecat]

My view

 

I stayed out of this discussion since I made my feelings clear many weeks ago. I am not the one who called Lurker Pollyana but I did and still take issue with the description of his trip..

 

He described two restaurant experiences that were not good to say the least. He did not mention any great restaurant experiences.

 

He described 4 escort experiences of which one could be called satisfying although not great and the others were not satisfying.

 

He was in Montreal for I believe 4 nights and had some positive things to say about 3 dancers. I said at the time if I couldn't come up with 3 dancers per night to be positive about , it would be a bad night IMHO.

 

Now had Lurker described 3 great meals that he had and 4 great escort experiences along with a myriad of Hot dancers then I would have said nothing and considered it great he had such a wonderful time.

 

This is not what he himself described and therefore I question the conclusion he came to .

 

If he is still convinced he had a great time and just as good as the times he had 4 years ago then I can't argue with him.

 

I would just suggest that he describe all those wonderful times and hope anyone else who reports can describe things that match the conclusion they foster on people who may have never been to Montreal.

[Boston Guy]

Why do you assume that someone must have "3 great meals ... and 4 great escort experiences along with a myriad of Hot dancers" in order to have a great time in Montreal? I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you (and some of the others) seem to be projecting a bit, essentially saying "this is what I would have to have had in order for ME to have had a great time in Montreal." You don't seem to understand or at least be allowing for the possibility that a gay man could go to Montreal and not have the experience that you think is necessary for a great time and yet still have a great time himself.

 

I've been to Montreal more times than I can count, literally over a period of 50 years. I've seen the town change in many ways over that period of time. There are times when I've gone to Montreal and spent a lot of time in strip clubs and had fun with many dancers in one night. I've taken dancers back to my hotel and hired from escort agencies. I've done these things and had a great time. But there have been other visits when that wasn't what I was looking for and my visit was -- by choice -- much quieter but every bit as enjoyable.

 

Earlier in this thread, if I recall correctly, someone posted something about going to a club that used to be crowded with patrons (I think it was Taboo), where you had to wait in line to get to see a dancer. Well, as much as some people would like that, I'd be out of there in a hurry. I enjoy crowds and crowded clubs but when I go to a strip club, I'm interested in the boys, not needing to shove between other guys. At the old Stock, I used to often go around 4:00 pm, shortly after they opened. There would be a few patrons there and only a few dancers. But they were grateful for any dances and I used to have a ball. Some of the guys in those afternoons, after a few dances, would say "Let's do a couple off the clock." Honestly, some of the best times I ever had in that bar were during those late afternoon visits when another guy might walk in and say "Huh, dead, might as well head to someplace else."

 

So when I say that it's an "eye of the beholder thing", I mean exactly that. You might walk down the streets of the village and be disappointed and I might follow along right after you and be happy and pleased. I've had some great meals in Montreal, including meals at restaurants that have long been closed, but I've also had a blast just standing in the Village, having pizza in the street, talking to some of the dancers. I don't have to have a gourmet meal to have fun. There are many, many ways to enjoy Montreal and I don't go up with a checklist of things that must happen in order for me to have a great time.

 

If people who are reading these threads with an eye toward going to Montreal are looking to have the experience that you want to have then they will pay attention to your comments and probably consider not going. On the other hand, folks who are more like me, who really enjoy simply walking around Montreal in general and the Village in particular, who like clubs that aren't so crowded that you can't get much time with the dancers, who find Montreal to be a wonderful city at any time of the year, well, I suspect that those folks will go back to Montreal and have just as much fun as before. I know that I will.

 

BG

[firecat]

Well then don't put words in my mouth. This thread is not a Chamber of Commerce Ad for Montreal.

 

It is essentially about Strip Clubs, Escorts and things to do in the Gay Village which whether you want to admit or not is about Sex.

 

I agree I could go to Montreal and never enter the Village, go to Strip Clubs, hire escorts etc and have a perfectly wonderful time. Montreal is a great city. I lived there for 6 years so I have more experience there then 95% of the posters here most of which visit a few times a year for a few days at a time and seem to think they are Experts. They are not.

 

This thread is about Strip Clubs and sex. Thus the title of this Forum is Male Strip Clubs.

 

It is a discussion about what Montreal used to be 4 or 5 years ago in regards to the Strip Clubs and other things associated with Sex that is escorts , Saunas etc. In case you had not noticed this is an Escort Site not Trip Advisor or Travelocity.

 

I stand by everything I said. If you are posting here it should be about Strip Clubs etc. If you are going to say how great it is and then describe nothing but mediocre experiences there is something wrong with your logic.

 

It's like buying a new car and then not really liking how it drives. But when your friend asks you how you liked your new car most people will say they love it because to do otherwise makes them feel stupid for buying it.

 

When you describe a trip to Montreal and most of what you describe sounds like a mediocre experience and then say it is a wonderful place and you had a great time. I submit it is time to find a place to go where you can describe mostly wonderful experiences. That is exactly whay used to be described by Lurker and others in the past.

 

I dare Lurker to read his posts from 4 years ago and compare then to his most recent Post. There is no comparison in the comments from him or many others Past to Present!!!!

[Boston Guy]

I dunno. The thread may be in the Male Strip Clubs forum but I don't see that as being particularly restrictive. The title of the thread is "Montreal in June", which seems to have been exactly what the OP intended when he started it and what he described. Had he wanted to start a thread solely about Montreal strip clubs I imagine that he would have entitled it "Strip Clubs in Montreal" or some such thing.

 

When you write "[w]hen you describe a trip to Montreal and most of what you describe sounds like a mediocre experience", it leads me to continue to believe that you are still viewing his experience through your own eyes and the prism of your experience and judgment. If you had gone to Montreal and had the exact experience that he had, evidently you would have had a mediocre experience. I wouldn't begin to question you on that for you are the person who decides if your experiences are wonderful or mediocre. But you are not allowing the OP the same opportunity to judge what is wonderful or mediocre for him. He said that he went and had a great time and he described it. You are free to decide if that experience would be great for you or not but I think you cross the boundary into being unfairly judgmental when you tell someone else "well, clearly you couldn't have had a wonderful time because the way you describe it makes it seem to me like a mediocre time." I think the best thing to do is to accept that we each get to judge our own experiences for ourselves and, if we share some of those experiences with others here, we have a right to expect that they will be received reasonably non-judgmentally. The OP shared a lot of information about his trip. He had no responsibility to do so and I would imagine, given the responses, that others who might have thought to do the same might well now decide not to. After all, who wants to come home from vacation and have a bunch of armchair quarterbacks tear apart your trip and tell you that of course you must have had a mediocre time.

 

Finally, I don't quite get the goal of the folks who are criticizing the OP and his trip. Are you folks simply trying to convince him that he had a terrible time after all? Or are you trying to make certain that no one could possibly think that Montreal would be fun any more? Or are you trying to punish Montreal for taking actions that you believe have resulted in negative effects on the city and the Village?

 

What are you trying to accomplish?

 

BG

[firecat]

Evidently you should go back and read the posts I am referring to before you try to get in an argument with no chance of winning.

 

I defy you to take the experiences described , restaurants , escorts and strip clubs and give them to someone who has never been to Montreal. After he has read them ask him if he consider the trip as fantastic, terrible or mediocre.

 

If you find anyone who describes the trip as fabulous , give him my name so I can sell him the Brooklyn Bridge.

 

You and all the others taking umbrage at my description of Montreal want to remember it as it was.

 

I never said you cannot have a good time there , just that your chances of a good time were much better a few years ago then they are now. The facts speak for themselves 6 strip clubs versus 3 now and Taboo dying a fast death.

 

This is a Forum about Strip Clubs whether you would like to make it something else or not.

 

Fact there were many more Strip Clubs in the past and many more and varied Dancers.

 

I suppose you will still be posting what a great Strip Club Destination Montreal is when there are only 1 or 2 left.

 

Go to Montreal , have a great time, just don't think you are seeing the Montreal of a few years ago because you are not!!!!!

 

It is a shell of its former self!!!!!

[Boston Guy]

I am not arguing, nor am I trying to win an argument. I am simply suggesting that the OP -- and not anyone else -- is the proper judge of whether or not he had a wonderful time on his trip.

 

As for Montreal, I'm still curious what your goal is. If it's to make certain that anyone who is reading this knows that you think that Montreal is a shell of its former self and, because there are fewer strip clubs and escort agencies, is no longer a good gay destination, well, I guess that you've accomplished that. The fact that there are others of us who feel differently simply means that we see it differently, not that you are wrong in feeling the way that you do.

 

As for going to Montreal, I've really only patronized Stock and Campus for a long time. I found the other clubs pretty boring. So, for me, if Stock and Campus are there whenever I visit Montreal in the future and I can go and have fun then the absence of the other clubs will be meaningless to me. It won't make a whit of difference in how I judge the strip club offerings in the city for everything that I am looking for will be there. But that's just me. I can have a great time at just Stock but, then again, that's just me. I simply don't need six strip clubs to have a great time or to think of Montreal as a great destination when I want to go to a strip club.

 

You've made a different value judgment about what's necessary in Montreal for you to have a great time there. Your experience living there has given you a different perspective. To a visitor, your perspective has value but only as one more opinion. If someone intends to go to Montreal and walk through the Village with a long face because things they remember aren't there any more then they'll probably have a poor time. On the other hand, if they go and decide to have a good time with whatever happens to be around when they get there, well, they'll probably have a great time.

 

It's a great city, a world-class city. Like all great cities, it changes constantly. The trick is to enjoy what is there rather than being angry or morose over what is no longer there.

 

BG

[firecat]

I am not trying to accomplish anything except to point out that there are now equal or better Strip Club Destinations then Montreal. That would have been a ridiculous argument to make in the past because Montreal was the Gold Standard.

 

IMHO that is no longer the case . FT Lauderdale now is at least equal to Montreal and many more months of wonderful weather.

 

Keep in mind I am not comparing the cities , just there offerings as a Strip Club location.

 

Like it or not the strength of the Loonie and the greed of the owners of the Strip Clubs has changed the popularity of Montreal as a Strip Club Destination.

 

On this there can be no argument. If the same number of people were going to Montreal for the strip Clubs then there would still be Six of them. There are not!!!!

[Guest mvan1]

 

I am not trying to accomplish anything except to point out that there are now equal or better Strip Club Destinations then Montreal. That would have been a ridiculous argument to make in the past because Montreal was the Gold Standard.

 

IMHO that is no longer the case . FT Lauderdale now is at least equal to Montreal and many more months of wonderful weather.

 

Keep in mind I am not comparing the cities , just there offerings as a Strip Club location.

 

Like it or not the strength of the Loonie and the greed of the owners of the Strip Clubs has changed the popularity of Montreal as a Strip Club Destination.

 

On this there can be no argument. If the same number of people were going to Montreal for the strip Clubs then there would still be Six of them. There are not!

 

 

And - - the winner of the latest round of discussions about Montreal's village is - - - - firecat. - - - -

 

Like firecat, I do not understand why people refuse to accept the fact that the village is not the same as it was several years ago.

 

I have said nothing negative about the City of Montreal - only the village.

 

Calling someone a Pollyanna is not "name calling" - it is describing a particular type of person who sees only the good and ignores the bad.

 

As firecat wrote, if one were to compare postings about Montreal's village from several years back to now, only a person in denial would conclude that the village is the same as it was.

 

Those of us who remember the village the way it was several years ago have no reason to “make up” stories about the decline of the village.

 

Proverbs:

There's none so blind as those who will not see:- -