Another view of Bondage

[Businessguy]

I think most people think of bondage as a way to keep the bottom/sub from resisting or getting "away from" the top/Dom. That's what you see most often in videos and photos. However, for me, a big turn-on is to use the bondage as a way to keep the bottom/sub from getting "to" the top/Dom until he's earned it.

As a bondage sub, I usually get into an assertive piggy mood where the bondage is useful to keep me under control. I love pulling against the restraints trying to kiss or suck or worship the Dom. Put the prize, the Doms cock, just out of my reach and I'll go nuts trying to get it.

Does anyone else relate to that view and use for bondage? Some Doms just don't get that idea. Anyone know of a good Dom escort who can play that out well?

[doitb4ugo]

Sympathize

 

 

However, for me, a big turn-on is to use the bondage as a way to keep the bottom/sub from getting "to" the top/Dom until he's earned it.

 

Hey Businessguy,

 

I completely undertand this concept. It seems very hot and would provide a very intense scene. During my lengthy tour of Boundgods trailers. I came across several vids where this seemed to at least be a major part of the plot.

 

I can't help on the recommendation front but do not find it surprising that it may be difficult to find...When I view escort sites, everyone lists all the the requisite interests but seem to not have a clue how to deliver....As mentioned in another thread, getting realistic role playing in general is not easy to come by.

 

Good luck.

[whipped guy]

I love pulling against the restraints trying to kiss or suck or worship the Dom. Put the prize, the Doms cock, just out of my reach and I'll go nuts trying to get it.

Does anyone else relate to that view and use for bondage? Some Doms just don't get that idea. Anyone know of a good Dom escort who can play that out well?

Again Businessguy knows not only his business, but the business as well as what he describes can be the ultimate BDSM turn-on!

 

Still let’s just say that if the bottom is the one calling the shots… then it could go either way. Some guys like being restrained and enjoy the feeling of being somewhat or even totally immobilized… Yes, that feeling of helplessness and total vulnerability is what some guys crave. Perhaps, as noted by Charlie in another thread, that’s why the escort left him tied up and defenseless for 15 minutes while he went out and bought cigarettes. Now poor Charlie was not exactly amused by this and the escort did act irresponsibly… but some guys do really get off with such a scene. Indeed, I have heard stories of guys who pay to be tied and then be placed under lock and key up for hours on end with the ultimate goal of them being a captive customer to be used and abused for the dom’s pleasure… and obviously their pleasure as well.

 

However, when I was first learning the ropes, and the dom was the guy in charge, it was as Businessguy describes. Here you were, tied up and desperately trying to touch, fondle, or stroke in any way the hunk of masculinity that had absolute power over you. If only you could free yourself from the ties that were binding you!

 

That’s the way I learned things with Reece Rothmeier (retired unfortunately)… you put in your bondage time, were duly flogged and otherwise tortured… and only then were you awarded for your efforts with the ultimate prize. God! How I recall struggling to try to get at least a finger on his god-like body… Damn, was he hot! Actually beyond hot... actually way beyond hot!

 

I also recall a session with the now retired Cole Davis. I had told him pre-session that his muscular legs were a particular turn on and how I wanted to worship them. I also requested that he not cover them. Well, to “punish” me he not only forbad me from touching him during the bulk of the session, but also deliberately wore long leather chaps to completely cover his legs… I was at first a bit annoyed that he had deliberately gone against my wishes… but I soon learned that there was a method to his madness. I can still remember the elation I felt when he finally allowed me access to his body. I recall how he slipped off the chaps with one swift stroke that was analogous to a magician flipping off his cape. Shoot! Suddenly the previously concealed prize was revealed… and while doing so he simultaneously intoned the words… “So you want to see my legs!” At that point I could not get to my reward fast enough.

 

Still, there are many variations on said theme and of late I have liked a more touchy feely approach where my lover torments me… but that is probably more out of necessity as I don’t travel with rope and many guys are not set up for a bondage scene either… at least not when traveling or being resigned to doing it in a hotel setting.

 

At any rate, after all this verbosity I have not answered Businessguy’s question regarding any current day possibilities… Raul… and a few others… are you monitoring things here!!!???

[raulgmanzo]

Torturously teasing a sub begging for cock or to be fucked, rewarding him only upon merit,

passage of time or my pleasure, is the best.

 

Denying someone something and then selectively, even generously giving it to them

is so much more powerful, and less vulgar, then forcing something upon them.

 

I enjoy both roles that in that scene.

But even as a Dom I use the sub to tease me and bring me to the delightful brink of orgasm.

 

I think most people think of bondage as a way to keep the bottom/sub from resisting or getting "away from" the top/Dom. That's what you see most often in videos and photos. However, for me, a big turn-on is to use the bondage as a way to keep the bottom/sub from getting "to" the top/Dom until he's earned it.

As a bondage sub, I usually get into an assertive piggy mood where the bondage is useful to keep me under control. I love pulling against the restraints trying to kiss or suck or worship the Dom. Put the prize, the Doms cock, just out of my reach and I'll go nuts trying to get it.

Does anyone else relate to that view and use for bondage? Some Doms just don't get that idea. Anyone know of a good Dom escort who can play that out well?

[Businessguy]

You get it!

 

I knew whipped guy would get it. Thanks for the expansion and tantalizing explanation. Sounds like I missed out on some great experiences with Reece and Cole.

But Raul also gets it. And I never thought of it as a way for the Dom to "torture" himself by denying himself for a while the pleasure that he knows the sub can bring. I'm definately going to have to meet Raul sometime soon so as a sub, I can "torture" him - LOL!

What really ramps me up is to be given a sample or a taste of what I crave and then have it taken away again. Then the "negotiations" begin to see how bad I want more and what I'm willing to do or endure to get more. It can be more entertaining than a game of high stakes poker if played with a little creativity, inuendo, and flair.

[whipped guy]

Then the "negotiations" begin to see how bad I want more...

Said like a true businessman...

 

Torturously teasing a sub... rewarding him only upon merit...

 

Also, thanks to Raul... I knew he would have a special insight as well.

 

I enjoy both roles that in that scene.

Raul... does this mean that you have played on both sides of the equation?

[Businessguy]

Creative Positions

 

Often for bondage you'll see guys in some common positions like tied down on their backs to a bed or on a bench. That can work very well but I also like more creative positions.

One effective position I enjoyed was where I was tied in a sling that was hung just inches off the floor. It was a comfortable position for me and allowed the Dom to stand or squat over me several different ways - which by-the-way was an awesome sight. It gave the Dom easy access to my mouth and other vital parts. It also worked great when he placed a rim chair over my head while he played with other parts of my body.

Another hot position was where I was chained standing to a wall. There was a heavy chain running floor to ceiling on each side of me. I was hooked to those vertical chains using leather straps on my ankles, thighs, waist, and upper arms. My hands were secured down at my sides. The hot part was I could use the slack in the chain to lean forward away from the wall but the rigging would stop me at about a 45 degree angle. The Dom could force me back tight against the wall by pushing on my chest or by just standing tightly in front of me while kissing me. Then as he moved away, I could lean out as if to chase him. He could stand just out of my reach and tease me as I begged for more kisses or his touch and then he could drive me back against the wall when he wished. It created some very fun give and take dynamics.

For me, I like comfortable, secure, can't-get-lose, kinds of bondage. Very rigid bondage is great but I also like some movement where the Dom and I can interact as if in a ballet or sorts. However, if it is not secure or if I can wiggle or get out, it loses all its hottnes. I have to know who is in control.

What are some of your favorite bondage positions either fomr the Dom or sub perspective?

[whipped guy]

Another hot position was where I was chained standing to a wall. .... He could stand just out of my reach and tease me as I begged for more kisses or his touch and then he could drive me back against the wall when he wished. It created some very fun give and take dynamics... For me, I like comfortable, secure, can't-get-lose, kinds of bondage. Very rigid bondage is great but I also like some movement where the Dom and I can interact as if in a ballet...

BG.. It has been a while since I have been placed in such "fun" positions... Unfortunately the dynamics of Hotel and/or bedroom BDSM don't allow for such creativity. Most guys who advertise a dungeon space simply have a converted bedroom... and that usually means being tied down to the bed... if at all. However, I was fortunate to learn from a guy who did have a dedicated dungeon space with loads of bondage equipment including, but not limited to a Saint Andrews Cross, a bondage table, rope and chains that could be manipulated from different sections of the wall, ceiling, and even the floor… all sorts of shackles, body restraints, well you name it… and as you say having a certain amount of freedom of movement can be fun… Shoot! That SOB of a dom was always just a smidge out of reach and that was both frustrating and exciting at the same time.

 

Of course the position has to be made comfortable… as this is supposed to be fun… Well not too comfortable… but safe and sane comfortable if you get my drift… and an experienced top will make sure that all is going well before he proceeds with the scene. After all, if the scene has to be curtailed because the bottom is suddenly suffering from poor circulation, rope burn, or worse can’t breathe properly then all the enjoyment is taken out of the situation… and as with all things one wants the pleasures to last as long as possible… Perhaps, as the scene winds down the top might only then tighten things up a bit and make the bottom realize how "considerate" he had been up until that point. Likewise an experienced top will know how to make a flogging last as long as possible as opposed to beating things to a swift conclusion.

 

Since I like to think in musical terms, BDSM… be it bondage, flogging, or what ever should be administered in such a way that it can be referred to as being what I like to call the “crescendo of pleasure”... and a long drawn out crescendo to boot.

[Guest Spanky]

I think it's ok (preferable?) to be uncomfortable when you're the sub, so long as it's not painful. Part of the fun for me is being able to endure what the dom wants to dish out - especially if he enjoys what he is dishing out. But when it becomes painful, then it's time to readjust.

 

Personally, on those few occasions when I've been suspended, I've loved it. I can't do it from the wrists because that just hurts too much and I can't focus on anything else - not just on the wrists but also I get freaked out about my shoulders getting dislocated. But inverse suspension is very hot, and a great position for getting flogged. But with all the blood rushing to my head, I tend to get scared and wimp out after not too long.

 

I also like bondage tables with lots of eyelets so that I can be immobilized. I think some other posters said they don't like being completely immobilized because it limits interaction, but I find it incredibly erotic. On one memorable occasion I was on this bondage table where there was a cut out space between the legs, so the dom tied me down and then could get between my legs, where he was well positioned for a variety of activities. I never played with that guy again because there wasn't any chemistry, but that table was hot. It also lowered from the ceiling on a series of pulleys and made some monstrously scary mechanical noise - terrifying to hear for the first time when you're blindfolded.

 

One other prop I like is the sawhorse - though it has to be padded. You can bend over it in the traditional way and get your ass whopped (FUN!), but it's also kind of hot to be tied facedown on it lengthwise, and then have the dom work your butt. This is one of the more uncomfortable positions - especially when the sawhorse is very narrow, but its pretty hot to be tied down, unable to move, with your ass up in the air and completely exposed. (Am I being too graphic??)

[whipped guy]

Spanks… Suspension can be hot, but I know what you mean about injuring a shoulder. I recall one time I was placed so I would barely be on my tiptoes… and then to weigh me down even more the guy hangs weights from my balls… Hot, but that was the old whipped…or rather the younger whipped! I would not want to be placed in such a position again. The last time I was at the NY Bondage Club we did a pseudo-suspension flogging scene where I almost got the feel of being suspended and it almost gave the look of being suspended without actually being suspended as I was definitely on terra firma… as I didn’t want any pressure on my wrists.

 

Now an upside down suspension sounds awesome… but I probably will never get there. At any rate, it has always been a fantasy to be flipped upside down, have my chest flogged, and also have hot wax dripped on my balls… Now I would be able to survive the flogging and the hot wax, but I am not sure about the upside-down aspect… as it does sound kind of scary and I most likely would wimp out as well. In fact I'll wimp out right now... but I am thinking of a pseudo-upside-down type of suspension that might just work almost as well!

 

Also, Spanky mentions a sawhorse and how it is unpadded. How about a pommel horse? I forgot to mention that above… and that’s plenty padded.

 

Important point: I’m glad that we are being honest about our limitations as that is a key aspect to playing safely…

 

Plus, it sets a good example for others as nobody should be afraid to say, “Hey! I just don’t feel comfortable doing that!”

[uwsman2]

upside down

 

In the old days, when NY Bondage Club was located for a time at a sex club way out east on Houston Street, I recall a very hot upside-down suspension scene. The place was well-equipped for that. And the scene went on so long I was wondering how the "victim" could stand all that blood rushing to his head for so long.

[whipped guy]

I recall a very hot upside-down suspension scene.

 

Probably something like this...

http://www.nybondageclub.com/images/04182010/cMG_3558.jpg

 

 

 

Now this would be a position that I might be able to tolerate... at least for a reasonable period of time.

http://www.nybondageclub.com/images/04042010/CMG_3375.jpg

 

... and by the way the presence of the candle with its hot wax potential is a nice touch...

[Businessguy]

Inversion

 

Wow - hot pics and a great image! But I can see how the postion is very hard on the body and may not be for everyone - AAHHH - maybe just a very few brave souls.

I did experience some great inversion at the hands of two different experienced tops in two different sessions. Funny thing is they both used the same type of device to invert me. Check out this link to get a visual - although not as sexy as WG's post.

 

http://www.inversiontables.com/?source=googleaw&kwid=inversion%20table&tid=exact

 

Once hooked in with your feet and properly position for balance, the Dom can use a variety of rope, straps or whatever to tie you down to more restricted movement. Then he can just add a little weight to the head area and you magically begin to move first to a flat position and then can go on over to a completely upside down position or anything in between. The fun part is that when the head rush of blood becomes too much, the Dom can easily bring you back prone or upright without having to undo everything. Once you're ready for more, he can put your inverted again. And the device itself is not prohibitively expensive and can sit as a regular gym/workout item in your home without raising uncomfortable questions.

 

Both times I was in the device and inverted, it was easy for the Dom to get my mouth at just the right height for some serious face fucking. It even work great to do a super rim job on the Dom as he squatted back on my face. The head rush was easy to control and the Dom could bring me back to prone for some "reward kissing" for a job well done and could easily play with the rest of my body without having to reach far for anything.

 

One of the Doms had my arms completely tied at my sides, blindfolded me and fucked my face until he shot while he jacked me off with easy asscess to my cock. That was explosive. The other Dom release my arms and he stood in a wide stance facing me with my face just at his cock height. I reached up with my hands and held onto his hips and butt and literally fucked my own mouth just by pulling his hips toward me as I gently rock back and forth in great balance. He got into the rhythm too and I was in heaven and he sure liked it, as evidenced by how hard his cock was and how easily it was sliding in and out of my throat.

 

Anyway, you get the picture. I think the position would work well for CBT and TT (hot wax dripped on the balls for Whipped Guy). I think you'd have to be at about a 45 degree angle for a really good chest flogging scene because the legs of the base could get in the way if you're completely inverted. The one restriction is it doesn't give good access to your backside or butt. It's hard to have everything. Also, because the device is designed to be used solo for inversion (stretching out your back) you could use this for solo inversion while jacking off. It is easy to safely put yourself upright at any time.

Seriously, I don't own stock in any of these companies - LOL! I think it's hot when normal devices can be turned into hot sexual intruments. That's why I get a hardon everytime I walk into a hardware store. I always have to visit the aisle with the rope, straps and chain to see what's new. Enjoy!

[whipped guy]

Per... I mean Inversion Tables

 

BG… Super hot post!

 

Well, I do have a lower back problem so perhaps just like my electrical TENS unit this might serve a dual purpose. Actually, I don’t want to jinx myself as right after I purchased the TENS my back gave out… and it is currently fine… but I do remember my uncle having one of these to help his bad back from when I was a kid… and Hmmmmm?!? Perhaps Aunt Helen and Uncle Bob were into more than met the eye!!???

 

At any rate, I think I would be able to handle something like this…

 

Also, while BG gets his kicks at “Home Depot” and “Lowe's”… I have seen a few possibilities at “Bed, Bathroom, and Beyond”… and yes, mostly in the “Beyond” section… and way beyond what the articles were originally intended to be used for…