When Professionals Aren't

[Guest Funvideoguy]

This pertains to a recent experience I had with an escort located in Baltimore/DC area. When I knew that I would be in DC on a particular date,approximately 3 weekes prior to date I emailed him and requested his availability. I gave him all info as to date, time, place, etc. He replied stating that it appeared that he was available but that I should recontact him one week prior to date to make sure he was in the area. He also sent a second e-mail detailing his rates. As requested I recontacted him one week prior and requested that he reply re: his availability. I told him what hotel I would be at, gave him tel no. of hotel, and said that I would call him when I checked in to give him room no. He replied stating that he was available that night but that a tel call from a hotel room would not confirm our date. He needed a guarantee. He stated that it was "Gay Pride" in Baltimore and that he did not want to commit to a vague request by email...he alluded to the fact that he did not want to needlessly miss any pride activities based on a tel call from a hotel room, the day of the appointment. Again, he sent a "rates" email, detailing the costs (for DC,$300 per hr. with increases of $50 per 15 minute increments). I replied stating that I did not know how I could guarantee an engagement but that I would be willing to call him from my home. I gave him my home tel no and said that he could call anytime or I could call him. I also remarked that I knew his price was $300 that night and that if forgoing Gay Pride activities to meet with me would mean that his heart would not be completely in our encounter, he should inform me and that I would understand.

After a couple of days, he replied stating I was rather sarcastic in stating that I didn't know how to guarantee my engaging him, and accused me of misinterpreting his statement. He said he would never take an engagement where his "heart would not be in it". He appeared insulted in my even mentioning it. Of course, he never mentioned that he could POSSIBLY have misinterpreted what I said. He also stated that his price of $300 was for an hour, not for a night. He then informed me that based on my sarcastic statements and the lack of "chemistry" , he felt that it would be best if I engaged someone else. Obviously at that point, he took the words right out of my mouth.

I was very offended at his condesending remarks and quite frankly, composed a very nasty reply to send him but decided against it as it would not accomplish anything. It has now been one week and I still feel angry and upset at this man.

As I recall, a few months ago someone else had some unkind words about him but I think it revolved around his being a "clock watcher". His rates seem to bear this out ($50 each additional 15minutes). There were several comments made concerning him. It even prompted him to respond to them.

This man should learn a few things about "public relations". He has the good looks and writes effectively but unfortunately it stops there. For someone who charges $300 per hour, he should bend over backwards and give clients the benefit of the doubt. It would have been so much easier to call me or ask me to call him and straighten out any misunderstanding that existed. I can't proove it but I strongly suspect that he didn't want the engagment and found an excuse. If would have been so much easier to say "Sorry, I can't make it" and leave it at that. I wouldn't have wasted 3 weeks of my time thinking that we were "on".

As it turns out, I took his advise and hired someone else....and this other guy was absolutely wonderful. I guess that "everything happens for the best" was true in this case.

[Guest Kenny021]

Well all this is very interesting but sort of useless unless we know who you are talking about. Why don't you post the name of the escort in question.

[gerefan]

I am not surprised that the lad had suspicions, which he must have had......

I am suspicious with anyone who wrote such a long tirade over something that was probably never going to happen anyway.......

[BobbyB]

I gather by your tome that you were disappointed and felt wronged, which I think we can all appreciate. But let's not forget advice so common that it's even found on bumper stickers: Shit happens.

 

Every day when we walk out the door, we accept the possibility that things might not go our way. As adults, it is our responsibility to deal with said shit and move on.

 

The disappointing behavior of one escort led to the discovery of another who wasn't, which proves once again that all's well that ends well.

 

End of platitudes; end of story.

 

-BobbyB

[CT Dick]

>As it turns out, I took his advise and hired someone

>else....and this other guy was absolutely wonderful. I

>guess that "everything happens for the best" was true in

>this case.

 

I'd say you were lucky to find out that there was bad chemistry before you were out $300 (in my book they'd better be REALLY FABULOUS for that rate).

 

True, lots of things (but not everything, Pollyanna) happen for the best. ;-)

 

Dick

[Guest TexasTaurus]

It is far better for the escort and the client to be "up-front" than disappointed later. We should never underestimate the power of communication.

[Guest Kenny021]

I've looked at the DC escort reviews and I come up with three names of possible escorts...Buck,Richard, Vince Tixeira...all appear to be based out of Baltimore but service the DC area. Is the "escort in question" one of those? Why don't you reveal who it is...shouldn't we be made aware of who is being talked about? He then could give his side of the story.

[HooBoy]

This poster has tried repeatedly to get his story out here previously using the escort's name. He is so persistent I suspect he may have an axe to grind, perhaps is an enemy of the escort out to sully his name.

 

This does not qualify as a review because no meeting took place. There is no reason to publish the escort's name.

[Guest Funvideoguy]

>"This poster has tried repeatedly to get his story out here

>previously using the escort's name. He is so persistent I

>suspect he may have an axe to grind,"

 

Of course if I hadn't been so persistent, you never would have put up the story. Of course I have an axe to grind, why else would I have been so persistent. Does everyone who writes a negative review or says something negative about an escort have an axe to grind?

 

"perhaps he is an enemy of

>the escort out to sully his name."

 

Are you saying that anyone whose had a bad experience with an escort (BEFORE, during, or after an encounter)and writes a review is out to sully an escort's name? Writing about it doesn't necessarily mean he wants to destroy the escort's career. In this particular case, he came to the deal with a very bad attitude and, while not earth shattering, he should be made to realize that doing what he did could have negative impact on his reputation. The "long tirade" (as someone put it) only has meaning if the name of the escort in question is made known.

 

>"This does not qualify as a review because no meeting took

>place. There is no reason to publish the escort's name."

 

 

Well it seems to me that many reviews are published where "no meeting took place" i.e. NO SHOWS. Yes I know, this was not a no show. However I remember reading many negative posts concerning escorts with bad attitudes. Just to mention two: Anthony Holloway who was accused of being a thief (no meeting ever took place there) and Kirk/Voltaire and his shenanigans.

 

Could your persistent reluctance in withholding the escort's name be seen as somehow showing favoritism to this escort in question.

 

Again, it isn't an earth shattering story...merely a bad esperience I had with an escort who should be made aware that engaging in such behavior could have consequences. As the story stands now, it is meaningless.

 

As for the person who stated that this was a long tirade about a meeting that probably was never going to happen, he should realize that I would not have wasted valuable time writing this when I did not have intentions of setting up a meeting. Especially when a specific date, time and place were arranged.

Yea I know, shit happens. Unfortunately in this case I am the one who got dirtied and the escort gets off scott free, probably to do it again to someone else.

[Guest IGetAround]

I know just who you are speaking about. He often has an attitude and has often conveyed that everything centers around him -- Be glad that you did not hire him -- you would have been disappointed anyway. I don't see why this escort should be protected.... but he is.

[Guest elwood]

Funvideoguy,

Obviously,I don't know anything about the details of your story other than what you have said. You have A PERFECT RIGHT TO SAY IT and it should have been posted as you said so that everyone could evaluate it.That is the purpose of this site and I feel that this site provides a valuable service. I have used this site for many meetings with escorts and it has proved its worth. BUT...you need to read judiciously and... YES.. I do feel that there are some protected escorts..but I guess that is Hooboys prerogative..and I just factor that in and still try to take the site for what it is worth...its a kind of "consumer reports" for escorts and I feel. that consumer reports,while FAR from perfect, provides a valuable service.In this line,there are plenty of escorts and clients with "axes to grind" and that has to be tough for Hooboy and I feel there are certain restrictions and cautions here based upon past horrible experiences resulting from vindictive, neurotic, sad and confused clients as well as self promoting,lying,hustling escorts. BUT.....that seems to me to be a very small minority.Keep posting.

[Guest Charon]

I think posting an explicit explanation of a bad interaction you had with an escort that led to not hiring them ought to be fair game. I have no idea why Hooboy should care so much that the escort not be named.

 

If the poster has an axe to grind, I think most of us are smart enough to judge that.

 

If nobody ever says anything bad about an escort, then the good that is said doesn't mean much...

[Guest Kenny021]

"So you've decided the original post is 100% truthful?

 

Please tell me how you reached that conclusion. I'll probably enjoy the story."

 

No, I haven't. All I have to go by is the Original post. You indicated that it wasn't truthful...how did you reach that conclusion? If you know all the facts and they don't match up to the original post, how the hell are we to make another conclusion if we don't have all the facts? You obviously imply that the original post is a fraud. Why? What do you know that we dont?

That's why we need BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY. Obviously the only people who know what happened are the client and the escort. You do not want to divulge who that is. If indeed, you have no connection to this guy, then why not name him and give him a chance to give his side of the story. This reason for refusing to name him because the client has "Axe to Grind" makes no sense.

 

Did you enjoy the story?

;-)

[Guest IGetAround]

It is apparent that there is more going on here than we are being told. Apparently Hooboy and Deej have more information either from or about funvideoboy or the escort than is being disclosed. This only adds to suspicions about the motives of any of the parties involved. Whom do we trust here? My opinion, for what it is worth is to name the escort and then let him respond. This is standard procedure in the review section, isn't it? The "coverup" makes it seem worse than it may actually be. At this point, it feels as if the escort is being protected, under the guise of "we know more than you do". After all, how bad can it be? This will not be the first escort receiving criticism on these boards -- and he certainly will not be the last one.

[guyinsf]

I don't know the identity of the escort in question, but for a different perspective on what transpired, simply based on your report:

 

1. You contact escort X 3 weeks in advance for a date.

 

2. Escort X is unwilling to commit to a booking 3 weeks in advance, for whatever reason that is his right. (Escorts work differently, some preferring to arrange things in advance and others more inclined for "last minute" bookings, particularly if it's a client he does not know. Neither position is incorrect, but as a client you have a choice as to how to proceed.)

 

3. You decide that you will wait and contact escort again one week prior to your arrival. You give him all of the details of where you will be, when you would like to meet, etc. HE NEVER CONFIRMS THAT HE ACCEPTS YOUR BOOKING. HE ONLY ACKNOWLEDGES THAT HE IS AVAILABLE. This is therefore not a "no show."

 

4. Escort X communicates indirectly about a way to "secure" a booking in advance. He likely means that he wants money from you in advance, but who knows? Another reason to not hire him, perhaps. Still, you want to be with him, so you respond asking for details.

 

5. Escort X is sarcastic with you. You get upset and, one month later, you are still upset about the fact that this guy didn't just graciously accept your initial request for a meeting, meet with you, and give you a fantastic time in bed.

 

My reaction, based simply on what you have described, is the following: If you are someone who wants to secure something in advance and an escort refuses, call someone else. If an escort keeps saying "maybe" instead of "yes," call someone else. If an escort comes across with a verbal attitude you do not like, call someone else. Then, FORGET the guy. Maybe he just has a bad attitude generally. Maybe you were contributing to his responses (we do not know because we didn't overhear your conversations). I do know that escorts often get jerked around by clients whom they never met before, and different escorts develop different ways to deal with this. If you don't like the way any particular "merchant" is providing service, particularly service prior to "closing the deal," shop elsewhere. As you found, someone else was available who made you very happy. As someone else said, you should be happy that you were spared spending $300 for someone when the initial chemistry was not very good. And, as someone else said, I would consider it a warning sign that an escort has a rate for every 15 minutes beyond the first hour. Not only is that clockwatching, but I can just picture the meter ticking away by the bed.

[Will]

I'm right with you through all the numbered points. However, I don't share your conclusion that Funvideoguy should have just forgetten it and moved on without further comment.

 

Clearly, this was an appointment he wanted very badly to make. It is just as clear that the escort in question was, to put it mildly, bubbling over with self-importance and, by the looks of it, may even have been trying to scam the client.

 

Almost always, I'm able to understand Hooboy's point in a controversial situation, even if I don't agree with it. In this case, I cannot imagine a reasonable explanation of why Funvideoguy is not allowed to reveal this escort's name.

 

After all, this is a place originally begun to share experience and information about escort/client relationships. I've had a couple of pretty bizarre e-mail exchanges with escorts in the DC/Baltimore area myself and fail to understand why anyone's interests -- other than the escort's -- are served by keeping all this under wraps.

 

Well, it's hardly under wraps, is it? Only the escort's name. Who the hell is he, anyway? Lohengrin?

[Guest msagget]

"After all, this is a place originally begun to share experience and information about escort/client relationships. I've had a couple of pretty bizarre e-mail exchanges with escorts in the DC/Baltimore area myself and fail to understand why anyone's interests -- other than the escort's -- are served by keeping all this under wraps.

 

Well, it's hardly under wraps, is it? Only the escort's name. Who the hell is he, anyway? Lohengrin?"

 

I agree with Will's above postings. What is the REAL REASON HooBoy refuses to publish the escort's name? If, the story is slanted only in one way, this would be the perfect time for the escort to give his side of the event. Bad reviews are very often rebuked by the escort. It would be interesting to hear the other side of the story. HooBoy's explanation of "an axe to grind" and trying to slander the escort doesn't hold much water in this case. He (the escort) didn't commit any crime...he is merely being accused of having a bad attitude. Is this a matter of slander? He obviously charges big bucks and then he charges in 15 minute increments (some funny comments made about that). This guy may only be guilty of an inflated ego but he should be identified. Again, we fail to understand why anyone's interests are served by keeping this escorts identify a secret. Hooboy is only bringing his impartiality into question by refusing to name him. If the escort is only guilty of bad attitude, so what? Why can't this be known? Hooboy, what's the real reason for the secrecy. If there is nothing more than what you have divulged, admit the mistake and TELL US WHO HE IS.

[HooBoy]

The response by GUYINSF is exactly why I basically ignored the original poster. Thank you Guy!!

 

FunVideoGuy is someone who joined this forum ONLY to knock this escort. Minutes after he joined, he posted his original rant which I deleted. Since, he has added NOTHING to this forum other than to attempt to discredit an escort who obviously did not want to be with him and never confirmed a date, thus my feeling that he had an ax to grind.

 

Finally, I do not personally know the escort in question, have never spoken to him and to accuse me of "protecting" him is as ludicrous and transparent as the original post in this thread.

[HooBoy]

>>>Well, it's hardly under wraps, is it? Only the escort's name. Who the hell is he, anyway?<<<

 

Will,

 

That is idle gossip. If an escort is rude, so fucking what? How do you know how rude FunVideoGuy was? Huh, huh?

 

The escort did not make an appointment and he did not take any money. There is no reason to disclose who this guy is.

 

The thread is titled "When Professionals Aren't." Why do you not contribute something positive to that subject rather than rub your hands together, salivate over the possibility of finding someone you can maul over like a jackal and rail on me in your quest to DISH and DESTROY?

 

Cluck, cluck, cluck

[Will]

Why do

>you not contribute something positive to that subject rather

>than rub your hands together, salivate over the possibility

>of finding someone you can maul over like a jackal and rail

>on me in your quest to DISH and DESTROY?

 

A long history with you, Hooboy, suggests that this post may be one of your temper-tantrums and/or that you were being ironic. Even so, it's hardly the way for a webmaster/owner of a site to respond to a regular member who for several years has tried to maintain a certain level of discourse, and, by the way, who has also contributed several hundred dollars, completely unsolicited, to the site's well-being.

 

Whatever your motives or intentions may have been, nothing I wrote warrants the bloody-minded, deeply offensive broadside you posted. Frankly, I think you owe me an apology. And I, by the way, am not being ironic. Not at all.

[Guest msagget]

"That is idle gossip. If an escort is rude, so fucking what? How do you know how rude FunVideoGuy was? Huh, huh?"

 

Thank you HooBoy for providing EXACTLY why this escort's name should be made known. IF, Funvideo guy was rude, if all the posting is about idle gossip, etc. THEN HE, THE ESCORT CAN GIVE HIS SIDE OF THE STORY. Get it?

 

"The escort did not make an appointment and he did not take any money. There is no reason to disclose who this guy is."

 

HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT HE MADE AN APPOINTMENT? As for taking any money, an allegation is made that he wanted a "guarantee"...something that possibly smacks of requesting money before an encounter. Is it? Who knows. Don't you think an explanation would be in order?

 

"The thread is titled "When Professionals Aren't." Why do you not contribute something positive to that subject rather than rub your hands together, salivate over the possibility of finding someone you can maul over like a jackal and rail on me in your quest to DISH and DESTROY?

 

Cluck, cluck, cluck"

 

Yes, the thread is titled "When professionals aren't"...too bad HooBoy

chooses NOT to be professional about this matter. The above quote is positively UNprofessional and quite frankly ridiculous.

 

"FunVideoGuy is someone who joined this forum ONLY to knock this escort. Minutes after he joined, he posted his original rant which I deleted. Since, he has added NOTHING to this forum other than to attempt to discredit an escort who obviously did not want to be with him and never confirmed a date, thus my feeling that he had an ax to grind."

 

Well, I guess I will not get a review posted until I have posted several times (assuming HooBoy approves my posts and doesn't think that I have an axe to grind). By the way, what's wrong with having an axe to grind....it's 90% of what this forum is all about...people bitching about one thing or another or one person or another. I've recently joined this forum and only posted once or twice prior to this. Guess that doesn't qualify me as "legitimate".

 

"Finally, I do not personally know the escort in question, have never spoken to him and to accuse me of "protecting" him is as ludicrous and transparent as the original post in this thread."

 

 

Well HooBoy, you are entitled to your OPINION but your STRONG PROTESTS about the possibility of "protecting" the escort only gives weight to the possibility that you are doing just that.

 

You appear as adamant about not naming the escort as you accuse Funvideoguy of being insistent to post it.

 

As you can see, a number of the posters to this thread think you should name the escort. Even if you don't agree with them, what harm would come of it? Do you honestly think that the escort would suffer irreputable damage from having his name known? There are several issues involved here and unless they are resolved, it only tends to sully your reputation. We are not talking the fuckin PENTAGON PAPERS here.

[+ deej]

Guys (all of you) .....

 

There are a lot of assumptions and pronouncements being made here by people who ABSOLUTELY are not privvy to the persistent, insistent, and belligerent prelude to this thread.

 

Be an arm-chair quarterback (or tight end :9) all you want. But do not assume that you know all the facts. And do not assume that you are making a fully informed decision when you deride HooBoy for the decision he made, because you are not.

[Will]

Thanks, Deej, for your predictably sane and laid-back intervention. I take your point that I don't know the background of this. But I also said in my own post that I almost always understand Hooboy's reasoning, even when I don't agree with him. In this instance, I neither understand nor agree. At all events, nothing I said could be construed as some kind of attack on him.

 

Therefore, although I may be guilty of prolonging this exchange, I want to be clear about something. My second post -- the one to which you responded -- had nothing to do with who is right and who is wrong, who knows what and who doesn't know what. On the contrary, my second post is about civility and respect. It registers my disappointment and, yes, anger that Hooboy insulted me gratuitously, whatever he intended. That is not a matter of being a quarterback, albeit of the armchair variety. In any case, it's Hooboy, not I, who is the man in the middle out there on the field, and I wish he'd be a little more careful when he aims his passes.

[+ deej]

>On the contrary, my second post is about

>civility and respect. It registers my disappointment and,

>yes, anger that Hooboy insulted me gratuitously, whatever he

>intended. That is not a matter of being a quarterback,

>albeit of the armchair variety. In any case, it's Hooboy,

>not I, who is the man in the middle out there on the field,

>and I wish he'd be a little more careful when he aims his

>passes.

 

Honey, when you figure out a way to control where men aim their passes you let me know. We'll make a fortune! ;-)

 

You were just last to post in this thread, which was fast becoming a feeding frenzy, I suspect.

 

That's not to say Hooboy doesn't owe you an apology. And it also doesn't say that you don't owe one to HIM. (You did make some pretty damning statements without having the background to support you.)

 

Let this one die, OK?

[Guest Kenny021]

As very often happens with these threads, we loose the original concept and get into personalities. In this case, it appears that HooBoy got quite testy with Will concerning Will's comments. In my humble opinion, HooBoy was completely off base and as requested by Will, owes him an apology. Not that he will get one. Past experience shows that HooBoy & Company rarely, if ever, acknowledge that they made a mistake. They will go to their grave defending their opinions,no matter how ridiculous they look. In this particular case,their reasons for omiting an escort's name from Funvideo's remarks just don't add up. Several people, including Will, have expressed an interest in knowing who the escort was. This prompted a reply from HooBoy that gives every indication that he has been smoking some funny cigarettes OR has completely lost it. The purpose of these forums is to express opinions. If you don't agree with someone's stance on a subject so be it. There is no reason to insult him and call him names.

As for the escort in question, I agree with those who express doubt as to the real reason for the removal of the escort's name. Deej mentions that we are all making opinions without knowing all the facts. Well, we've all read the original post and if there is more to the story then so inform us. Vague comments concerning someone's motive is suspicious.