I'd like to say Ciao to the MC

[Txpaytoplay]

Another 2 cents....Recap editorial -LET HIM GO

 

Ok....this is how I see this now. (Not that anyone asked, but I am willing to share...and I am waiting for my dinner date, late again! but that's another issue.)

 

An escort has "apparently" bid his farewells only to come back and spread more of (what I percieve as venomous) rhetoric to posters and their opinions. On the other side, some of our congenial posters have written commentary suggesting that maybe this escort was treated harshly. I truly respect their insights but after going back and rereading several threads I ask the question.....ARE WE READING THE SAME THING????

 

It seems to me that the harshness was usually started with the escorts opinion attacking certain posters opinion. Now....I have been around awhile and have seen quite a bit, but I can honestly say that this escort hasn't recieved near the heat from posters in this forum like some of the ones in the past. There were client posters attacked by him, escort posters attacked by him, and those in between. It's obvious he gave little thought in how his rhetoric would be percieved...I say LET HIM GO!

 

Now, with respect, I say this Duchess.....If this escort who could not admit he could be wrong...or even state that hey, we can agree to disagree, and move on, get's upset and decides to leave....again I say, LET HIM GO! Duchess, you have suggested we should change for the good of the forum, WHY can't HE CHANGE? Seriously, he's the one that came into this "sand box", he obviously didn't like how we played and he's decided to leave. LET HIM GO! Through his writing he has shoved his thumb up several posters nose's who have tried to help him in public and in private. LET HIM GO!

 

I agree, at times we all can be irritable, our posts can be misinterpreted. I see this often, and have done so myself at times. But for the most part we have the "maturity" to see when we are wrong and to move on or at least ignore it. This escort's posts, in my opinion lacks that maturity. I didn't ask him to leave, not sad that he says he is leaving....(notice, he's not gone yet?), and I really won't miss his posts and could care less of his opinion, as with many posters here. The way I see, it's a little too hot in the kitchen now, and he doesn't have the desire, maturity nor skills to try and mend anything here. As one of the riled natives, I have sheathed my pitchfork....not that I believe it was out to begin with. It's obvious that several posters tried apologizing and it was percieved by him as disingenuinous.

 

Some people, will not change, and will never see the broad picture. I don't think the posters in this forum were hard on him....and I don't think we should change just because he has his feelings hurt and is presumably leaving. We are what we are and he is what he is....and if it doesn't fit....then he can quit.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

[Guest greatness]

well

 

I used to teach college kids and they would change in many ways by the time they graduate. I think the same thing will happen to Joey too. Let's not be so negative about him and give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

Ok....this is how I see this now. (Not that anyone asked, but I am willing to share...and I am waiting for my dinner date, late again! but that's another issue.)

 

An escort has "apparently" bid his farewells only to come back and spread more of (what I percieve as venomous) rhetoric to posters and their opinions. On the other side, some of our congenial posters have written commentary suggesting that maybe this escort was treated harshly. I truly respect their insights but after going back and rereading several threads I ask the question.....ARE WE READING THE SAME THING????

 

It seems to me that the harshness was usually started with the escorts opinion attacking certain posters opinion. Now....I have been around awhile and have seen quite a bit, but I can honestly say that this escort hasn't recieved near the heat from posters in this forum like some of the ones in the past. There were client posters attacked by him, escort posters attacked by him, and those in between. It's obvious he gave little thought in how his rhetoric would be percieved...I say LET HIM GO!

 

Now, with respect, I say this Duchess.....If this escort who could not admit he could be wrong...or even state that hey, we can agree to disagree, and move on, get's upset and decides to leave....again I say, LET HIM GO! Duchess, you have suggested we should change for the good of the forum, WHY can't HE CHANGE? Seriously, he's the one that came into this "sand box", he obviously didn't like how we played and he's decided to leave. LET HIM GO! Through his writing he has shoved his thumb up several posters nose's who have tried to help him in public and in private. LET HIM GO!

 

I agree, at times we all can be irritable, our posts can be misinterpreted. I see this often, and have done so myself at times. But for the most part we have the "maturity" to see when we are wrong and to move on or at least ignore it. This escort's posts, in my opinion lacks that maturity. I didn't ask him to leave, not sad that he says he is leaving....(notice, he's not gone yet?), and I really won't miss his posts and could care less of his opinion, as with many posters here. The way I see, it's a little too hot in the kitchen now, and he doesn't have the desire, maturity nor skills to try and mend anything here. As one of the riled natives, I have sheathed my pitchfork....not that I believe it was out to begin with. It's obvious that several posters tried apologizing and it was percieved by him as disingenuinous.

 

Some people, will not change, and will never see the broad picture. I don't think the posters in this forum were hard on him....and I don't think we should change just because he has his feelings hurt and is presumably leaving. We are what we are and he is what he is....and if it doesn't fit....then he can quit.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

[Txpaytoplay]

For his sake Greatness....I hope he does change.

[Guest zipperzone]

I used to teach college kids and they would change in many ways by the time they graduate. I think the same thing will happen to Joey too. Let's not be so negative about him and give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

I would think that it took a fair amount of intelligence for your college kids to graduate. What did you tell the ones that just didn't have it?

 

And why in hell's name should we give the "benefit of the doubt" to someone who has the stupidity and the audacity to insult other members with his four letter language?

 

I think it's a wonderful trait that you always seem able to see the good in everyone. But seriously, sometimes it is beneficial to take off those rose colored glasses.

[Guest zipperzone]

Some people, will not change, and will never see the broad picture. I don't think the posters in this forum were hard on him....and I don't think we should change just because he has his feelings hurt and is presumably leaving. We are what we are and he is what he is....and if it doesn't fit....then he can quit.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

Good for you Tx. I think your opinion is worth much more that 2 cents.

[Guest PWIT]

while we are tossing our change around....

 

while we are tossing our change around....

 

And why in hell's name should we give the "benefit of the doubt" to someone who has the stupidity and the audacity to insult other members with his four letter language?

 

Is it just the language to which you object to giving him the benefit of the doubt? Or is it the insulting of others?

 

There definitively has been too much of the latter on the MC (my opinion), and much (or is it most?) has come from seasoned members.

 

Guiding members to non-personal attacks should be a standard/goal for the MC community. Attackers of individuals at a personal level should be shunned (i.e., don't feed the critters).

 

With that said, I hate to see Joey's presence on the MC diminished. I think within the bounds mentioned above, his voice could have been educational for us all. We have too few escorts participating. Seasoned members who allow themselves to get drawn into the personal attacks instead of guiding the discussion away from such....well shame on you (oh, I am not innocent of this by no means but try to improve with time).

[AdamSmith]

...With that said, I hate to see Joey's presence on the MC diminished. I think within the bounds mentioned above, his voice could have been educational for us all. We have too few escorts participating.

 

Agree in full. If we keep up the "constructive" criticism of recent times, driving away not only Joey but also others who simply choose to shun this pit of shadows, we will indeed get the MC we deserve.

[MsGuy]

we will indeed get the MC we deserve.

 

Caio Joey; hello 2h2t.

 

Chance or karma?

[Guest zipperzone]

Agree in full. If we keep up the "constructive" criticism of recent times, driving away not only Joey but also others who simply choose to shun this pit of shadows, we will indeed get the MC we deserve.

 

I think the MC we deserve is one where we don't have to have shit thrown at us just because we have a different viewpoint than an immature escort.

[KMEM]

Agree in full. If we keep up the "constructive" criticism of recent times, driving away not only Joey but also others who simply choose to shun this pit of shadows, we will indeed get the MC we deserve.

 

Are we going to get the MC we deserve regardless?

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[MsGuy]

I think the MC we deserve is one where we don't have to have shit thrown at us just because we have a different viewpoint than an immature escort.

 

Is it ok for non-escorts to throw shit?

[Guest zipperzone]

Is it ok for non-escorts to throw shit?

 

Possibly. The non-escorts are not competing for our dollars.

[+ Lucky]

txplytopay has said it right. For the Duchess to claim that criticism of Joey was unmerited is hogwash, perhaps a royal invention of the same, but still hogwash.The mc I want is one where escorts frustrated with their jobs and unhappy with their status don't use the mc to bitch at the rest of us.

Juan Vancouver was the best escort poster we have had, and Michael Vincenzo has recently shown how to present frustrations in a mature and intelligent way that leads to civil discussion of the same.

[Steven_Draker]

I will be disappointed if Joey decides to stop posting. I would see it as a failure among us: if we cannot achieve a measure of peace amongst ourselves here, how will we ever achieve it in the larger world?

 

I have found the content of some of Joey's posts to be questionable(...just like other posters), and sometimes he appears to vent (....just like other posters), but it seems as if he's the target of much hostility and derision. It seems as if the natives are all riled with torches and pitch-forks and salivating to attack, yet what has he written to cause such outrage?

 

I think we sometimes forget that our on-line exchange here is low-resolution communication. We don't get the benefit of emphasis, inflection, or body language in the stories we share here. We don't know the specific history of each other. Miscommunication and misunderstanding are bound to happen--- and we need to be on the lookout for it, and recognize it before we up the ante by hurling angry insults.

 

I'm wondering if we shouldn't be making a greater effort to understand another's point-of-view--- even if it's not one we share. Before interpreting Joey's take of an event in a negative light, why not extend him the benefit of the doubt? Or perhaps question why he feels that way. Or confirm that what you think you've read is what he meant to say. Just seems like a less-stressful route than launching the flamethrower.

 

I think we occasionally forget also that the power of words is strong, and they can hurt. Why hurl such ugliness when it's possible that we've just misunderstood what was being said?

 

I do hope that Joey stays. Our reputation as welcoming, helpful, non-judgemental, peaceful men is at stake.

 

Beautifully said, Duchess !! I hope Joey stays/returns quickly here and continues to speak with his heart, as opposed to escorts who only say what others WANT TO HEAR.

[Guest zipperzone]

Beautifully said, Duchess !! I hope Joey stays/returns quickly here and continues to speak with his heart, as opposed to escorts who only say what others WANT TO HEAR.[/color]

 

If "speaking with his heart" includes verbal abuse of the other posters who don't think along the same lines as he does, I hope we never hear from him again. Until he can learn some manners, let him pout in the corner.

[+ Lucky]

Beautifully said, Duchess !! I hope Joey stays/returns quickly here and continues to speak with his heart, as opposed to escorts who only say what others WANT TO HEAR.

 

And of course we appreciate that he doesn't post under an alias.

[Lookin]

I think Her Grace makes some good points. Joey was direct and unedited and may not have used the words we would have used or talked about the subjects we would have chosen. But he was honest and made me think. The invective I could have done without.

 

I expect he will stay away so all of this discussion is really about us, not him. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

But, if JB does come back, it will be fine by me.

[JoeyBryant]

I encourage you please by all means stay here grow, learn, vent, participate.

even if I don't agree.

 

But I thought it was negative and complaining? You're extending an encouragement but in the same note you want me to only talk about all the wonderful things...I'm

 

If this escort who could not admit he could be wrong...or even state that hey, we can agree to disagree, and move on, get's upset and decides to leave....again I say, LET HIM GO!.

 

You are either blind or just plain hard-headed. RE-READ the first post I said. I said if anyone was offended by what I said in my posts, apologies. Apparently you skipped that and wrote what you wanted to write.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

Being that you didnt read anything I said, thats all its worth. 2 pennies.

 

For his sake Greatness....I hope he does change.

 

Igualmente

 

And why in hell's name should we give the "benefit of the doubt" to someone who has the stupidity and the audacity to insult other members with his four letter language?

 

Because there are some silly fucks around here who think its ok to say stupid shit to other posters...and deserve to be cursed out from time to time. You, my friend; are one of them. Why don't you re-read some of the ridiculous things you have said. I can only think of 1 positive thing you have ever said.

 

With that said, I hate to see Joey's presence on the MC diminished. I think within the bounds mentioned above, his voice could have been educational for us all.

 

Thankyou I am glad to head you see through to me. Unfortunently, I think my work is done here

 

I think the MC we deserve is one where we don't have to have shit thrown at us just because we have a different viewpoint than an immature escort.

 

Take a field trip to the zoo, kid. The chimps there will be throwing shit worse than you do

 

 

 

The mc I want is one where escorts frustrated with their jobs and unhappy with their status don't use the mc to bitch at the rest of us.

 

First of all, I'm not unhappy with my job. Again, you're acting blind. Did I not just fucking say in another thread that I love my job? Hello! Where the hell do you come off that I am unhappy or frustrated about my job? If you actually met me, you'd know I am quite pleased and good at what I do

 

I hope Joey stays/returns quickly here and continues to speak with his heart, as opposed to escorts who only say what others WANT TO HEAR.

 

Thats deep. Unfortunently, some people may not wanna hear what I have to say on here.

 

Let me just say one last thing. For those who think you are 'running me away' are mistaken. Im not running away from here, Im choosing to walk away.

[Guest greatness]

Her Grace

 

Yes DuchessIvanaKizznhugg's name is too long. I think calling DuchessIvanaKizznhugg "Her Grace" or Her "Excellence" is an option. What do you think DuchessIvanaKizznhugg? But I do not like DuchessIvanaKizznhugg as a SN because it is both inviting and friendly. Classy but open to everybody.. What a great name... Maybe I should change my SN to greatnessinLoveKizznHugg.

[Guest greatness]

hmm

 

Well good luck with your life. I really like your honesty. Anyways, you could have exited without negative comments. They all responded because they care and they read what you wrote. Here is a song for you but please come back if you

want to. You are always welcome here.

 

Time to say goodbye...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbN0g8-zbdY

[Guest DuchessIvanaKizznhugg]

2 cents more....

 

For the Duchess to claim that criticism of Joey was unmerited is hogwash, perhaps a royal invention of the same, but still hogwash.

 

Hogwash? Perhaps it will resonate more one day.

 

The mc I want is one where escorts frustrated with their jobs and unhappy with their status don't use the mc to bitch at the rest of us.

 

Although I'm a bit confused with "unhappy with their status", your mc wish is easily granted. The act of bitching takes two to participate. One to bitch, and one to listen. If you don't wish to be the listener, the solution is simple: don't be.

If you find Joey's (or any other poster's) outlook and attitude so negative, why then engage with him? Better no engagement at all than hurling hostilities.

 

Juan Vancouver was the best escort poster we have had, and Michael Vincenzo has recently shown how to present frustrations in a mature and intelligent way that leads to civil discussion of the same.

 

Lucky, I agree with your assessment of Juan Vancouver: he is one of the most eloquent posters--escort or otherwise. (My perception is he's also more apt to extend an olive branch instead of a brick.) And Michael Vincenzo has demonstrated communication skills worthy of emulation.

But Joey is neither Juan nor Michael. He is himself. And SOMEtimes, that might be disagreeable. Just like SOMEtimes Lucky is disagreeable. And SOMEtimes (MOREtimes?) zipperzone is disagreeable. (OMG! And SOMEtimes so am I ??!!)

 

In spite of Joey's latest rant, I still suggest giving him the benefit of the doubt. With all the advantages of education and career and fulfilling relationships and money and opportunity that have come our way, I hope we remain able to extend empathy and understanding when needed.

 

The mc I want is one where we treat each other with respect.

If we reach for the stars in our behaviour with each other, we just might achieve it. If we reach for the gutter, for sure we WILL achieve it.

 

I repeat, I hope that Joey does not abandon us. Our reputation as welcoming, helpful, non-judgemental, peaceful men is at stake

[+ nycman]

"Never can say goodbye....."

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8jxa3t-wIY

[Guest zipperzone]

I just KNEW he couldn't resist the call of the soapbox. And to prove what a gentleman he is he decided to call me a "silly fuck". Way to go kid. You prove me right every time you touch your pinkies to the keyboard.

 

Will this be his "farewell tour"? My money's on NO.

[+ Lucky]

LOL. I am sittting here in Puert Vallarta where the cares of the MC don't resonate,so maybe I should have stayed out of the discussion. One thing Joey has done is get people talking, and that can't be bad. But a day on the beach and a daiquiri might be a good idea for everyone.

[Mark Gordon]

But a day on the beach and a daiquiri might be a good idea for everyone.

 

Beam me up, Scotty.