Sex thru the ages...

[foxy]

good point... let's leave out the sex, and concentrate on passing along "wisdom", if indeed we actually acquire any with age. sometimes it seems doubtful

[foxy]

I read this idea once, somewhere...

People in their late teens to early 20's should have a lover/mentor over 50.

Those in their early 20's thru 40's should be with someone their own age.

From 50's on, one should be with the teens thru early 20's group.

This all assumes that someone older is also wiser, or at least has some life experience worth passing on to someone younger.

Do you think this makes any sense?

[guyinsf]

I don't think it makes sense, if you are talking about the need for these relationships to be sexual. Most people do have multigenerational relationships (particularly within their birth families). People can learn from one another without having sex.

 

I think I have read something akin to what you wrote, though. Look at aol profiles, personal ads, gay.com, etc... Many guys over 40 seem to ONLY want to be with guys UP TO their age, and some request much younger men. Of course they always claim to "look younger" than their ages, too.

 

I know you did not mention guys under 18, but NAMBLA also uses the "mentoring" relationship in an attempt to justify their having sex with young teens. I've known a few men who had been "mentored" in this way, a few by priests (as if gay men weren't aware of the extent of this Catholic Church crisis decades ago) and a former nextdoor neighbor by his foster father.

[Bilbo]

As in any other relationship, it's really up to the two people involved as to whether to leave out the sex or not. Not up to us to tell them whom to bed and whom not to like we were a set of silly hetero legislators.

 

Nationally known gay rights campaigner Ray Hill turned up some evidence a decade or more ago that showed that NAMBLA was a government run and financed plot to blacken the eye of the gay community. So I do wish that I would see them quit being quoted negatively. Besides, I don't believe that the original poster was talking about teenagers. Wish I could reread his post - find his name, find details - without posting this first and coming back. But I seem to remember he started it out in the twenties.

 

The original poster had what I think is a very good idea worthy of actual use, not to mention reasoned review. But for those who might want a more light hearted statement of part of it, how's this? (Which is actually something I started doing when I was in my twenties.) One of the 44 rules for behavior at the baths, published online by flex baths (http://www.flexbaths.com), and republished in the June Unzipped is #10: "Once in a while, do your good deed for the gay: Let an old troll suck your cock. Such magnanimous gestures are duly recorded by the Great Faggot in the Sky, and when you are an old troll the favors will be returned in kind. Yes, Virginia, that's the way it works." :+

[guyinsf]

I find the notion of "mercy sex" as suggested here (or played out on QAF when Ted got his fantasy man -- for one night) offensive, particularly when terms like "old trolls" are used.

 

I made it clear in my post that the originator of this message did not mention underage guys. I was just pointing out that NAMBLA attempts to use the same rationalization, and it's bogus in either case. Of course any adult should feel free to hook up with any other adult of his/her choosing.

I find most conspiracy theories ridiculous. I don't believe that AIDS was created and unleashed by the American public in an attempt to get rid of gay men. I don't believe O.J. was framed. I don't think the government is "covering up" its alleged knowledge of the existence of UFO's and life elsewhere in the universe. I also don't believe that NAMBLA is a government sponsored program to give the gay community a bad reputation. Perhaps NAMBLA is sponsored by the Catholic Church, though. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

[Guest DCeBOY]

well, asshole, you didn't start the motherfucking thread, did you?

the person who DID start it never mentioned anything about age of consent. what he DID mention was "teens".

thank you & go fuck your nasty self!

[Bilbo]

While I agree with you on most of your "don't believes", I do remember the time frame when NAMBLA was started and did most of its blooming. Now I don't remember having seen them mentioned for years, except in a negative way when someone wanted to bludgeon a conversation.

 

I have now reread the original post, and I do note that he said late teens to early twenties. In most states, I believe, late teens are past the age of consent. Whom they have sex with should be their own choice. If they sincerely want to have sex with their mentors, why drag in a nearly dead organization which focused on early teens, before the age of consent, to emphasize your disapproval? I have already recieved a private note from another escort who thought that I was defending older men having sex with twelve year olds and I blame that on your first post.

 

Also, I disagree with the original poster on one minor point. I think that the mentor/lover stage should go through the mid-twenties.

[Bilbo]

And, BTW, though my joke did make it sound like a Mercy Fuck, many young men might give their first sex with an older man as a mercy, and then find out just how much they actually enjoy it! I have known many men who prefer older men. Including some who eventually had to try to break themselves of that preference because they were in their late 50s and older men were getting harder to find all the time!:7

[guyinsf]

I don't see how you could "blame" me for someone else's inability to read. I clearly stated that the initial post said nothing about guys under the age of consent. I only brought up NAMBLA as an example of a group of people who attempt to use the same argument but apply it to boys. If the escort who sent you an email has poor reading comprehension, that is not my fault.

[guyinsf]

now that was funny!

[Bilbo]

>People in their late teens to early 20's should have a

>lover/mentor over 50.

 

I had someone private post to me and claim that the original poster had never said late teens, so here is a direct quote from the original post to say that, yes, he had specified late teens. However, rereading it yet again, I notice that he specifies the lover/mentor as over 50, and I would personally say that a lover/mentor in at least his late 30s would do just as well.

 

I've been busy as h. this weekend, even had to turn down some prospective paying customers. So, now, I will proceed to read where this thread has gone while I've been gone. If I've repeated anyone with this post - oops, sorry.

[Bilbo]

OK, guyinsf, I have now reread your first post, too, and,yes, you did specify that you realized that underage people were not being talked about. There was no need therefore to cloud the issue by bringing up the idea of underage sex partners by bringing up NAMBLA at all. And I still will take extreme umbrage whenever anyone mentions them as a tactic to nuke another's fair argument.

 

I also agree that it is not necessary to have sex in a mentoring relationship, as I see now that the original poster agreed. However, it is also not necessary to forbid it.