Herbal Viagra -- which ones are worth it?

[gregkidman]

Veromax, hard bodies, etc. -- they are names of various bottles hawking that they can increase the male libido.

 

I have tried viagra -- amazing stuff but makes my body all flushed and red for half a day.

 

Have you tried any of the herbal Viagra that is worth your money? Some bottles of the stuff say that you have to take one pill every day. Is there any herbal viagra that works the same way as the real viagra pill where you take the pill one hour before 'doing the nasty'? Perhaps a one-day-in-advance herbal pill exists?

 

Cheers,

Greg

[Guest]

Every herbal preparation (these are not medicines) have labels saying "These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. These are sold as nutritional supplements only and are not intended to treat, diagnose, or prevent disease." These herbs have no requirement to be either safe or effective. In fact, if the FDA wanted to take them off the market, they would have to go to court to prove they're unsafe!! You're better off sticking with treatments which have passed the muster with the FDA.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Based on my limited understanding...

 

There are two classes of relevant herbals: one helps the body enhance testoserone production; the other he facilitates blood flow in the body thus to the penis. The products you ask about contain some combination of some or all of these I believe.

 

 

Testosterone potentiators: ZMA and tribulus terrestus.

 

ZMA is a mineral/vitamin combo the body uses to create its own testosterone: zinc/magesiurm aspartate and vitamin B6. The aspartate factor is critical to the zinc and magnesium for absorbtion and use. You take it 30 minutes before bedtime daily. Just like any other vitamin mineral combo.

 

Tribulus is an herb from Bulgaria used historically to treat sexual disfunction. specific components (saponins) have been isloated that appear to be the active component the body uses to generate test. Taken an hour before or better yet three times a day as a regular regiemen.

 

Blood flow enhancers include ginko biloba and yohimbine. Avoid the yohimbe bark in favor ot the standardized yohimbine. These seem best taken an hour before for obvious reasons. These (and tribulus) also may have interactions with specific drugs so read the labels.

 

It is my impression that one pays a pretty premium for hyped male performance enhancers and with little assurance as to how much of what and at what quality you are getting it. I'd get the individual herbs and shop for price and quality. IN fact I do because these same herbs are used for sport supplement purposes -- I wonder why?? :-)

[+ Axiom2001]

First off let me ask a query: Is GregK...your real name? If it is or isn't I find it to be "hot"! The ring of it brings on tinges of sexiness.

 

Last summer I purchased GoatWeed; apparently it did the trick. I've used it on two or three occasions, but last week I had an important sexual engagement. I used it, but after the escort didn't show, the stuff seemingly had no effect on me.

 

I've also taken 'Vitality Max' which apparently has some effects on my sensitive nips and has helped produce a large amount of ejaculate.

 

...have taken Viagra; ...like it, but I at times like to do poppers, so the former is definitely a NO NO NO. (I still have the remains of some of my ten pills which I purchased via the net last summer, too!

 

I really prefer to get hard NATURALLY. Many times it depends on ones emotional and mental state as to the duration of hardness...

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Herbal Supplements

 

It is true that herbal supplements are not investigated by the FDA but the facts are not as simple as that. I would agree that supplements should be taken with caution and only after some research and consideration:

 

1. All medicines are based on natural substances, thus medicines are the original herbal supplements. The inability to profit, much less have an exclusive patent on something which exists in nature forces companies put their research into synthetic versions of pain killers, antibiotics, etc. This same profit motive, for example, makes research into an HIV vaccine less profitable than medication which can only arrest but do not cure the diseases and progression to full blown AIDS far more palatable to drug manufacturers.

 

2. Natural substances can be both purified and optimized for quality assurance. One thing to look for in purchasing is whether the supplement is "U.S. pharmaceutical grade" and that the company has the reputation to make such a claim. Such a claim would be able to be challenged by the truth in advertising and labeling regulations.

 

Much of the vitamins and supplements available in large chains are made by the same manufacturers, even those branded under grocery store and other generics. I prefer to stick to companies which I believe to make quality products. IMHO these include Zand for Echinacea, which I always take in tincture and never in pill formula, and Rainbow Light, for their "Deep Defense" tincture of Astragalus, Ligustrum super complex, both of which I take at the outset and which I personally believe have helped lessen the severity and length of my cold. Solgar and Jarrow are also good companies.

 

Another caveat: the human body is remarkable different in each individual just as weight, diet and lifestyle are taken into account (or should be) by your physician, so should it be the case with supplements. Just because these particular herbs work, in my opinion, for me -- and for others -- does not mean they are appropriate for you. Also, any person suffering from an autoimmune disorder such as HIV should take any supplement with care and caution. As with all "medications" you should discuss with either your physician or your pharmacist and also research on line how your traditional Western medications may interact with supplements. There are several good books which discuss these interactions. I wish I knew sites to recommend but a good search on Goggle should suffice.

 

3. With respect to body building and male labido supplements, TWIN LABS is an excellent source for pharmaceutical grade herbs and supplements. It can be purchased at many drug chains, super markets and supplement stores.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Yohimbe Bark Extract

 

>There are two classes of relevant herbals: one helps the

>body enhance testoserone production; the other he

>facilitates blood flow in the body thus to the penis. The

>products you ask about contain some combination of some or

>all of these I believe.

>

>Testosterone potentiators: ZMA and tribulus terrestus.

 

DHEA and Androstenedione areboth adrenal hormones and precursors to testosterone, "andro" being on step away and DHEA two steps. Andro is available in a number of different forms and body building magazines and sport supplements shops are particularly good sources of information about Andro, only of course, realize that the salesman are going to try to sell you on something. These also particularly work best with men above the age of 40 and again should be taken with caution and after some research of your own and discussion with your doctor or pharmacist.

 

>

>ZMA is a mineral/vitamin combo the body uses to create its

>own testosterone: zinc/magesiurm aspartate and vitamin B6.

>The aspartate factor is critical to the zinc and magnesium

>for absorbtion and use. You take it 30 minutes before

>bedtime daily. Just like any other vitamin mineral combo.

>

>Tribulus is an herb from Bulgaria used historically to treat

>sexual disfunction. specific components (saponins) have

>been isloated that appear to be the active component the

>body uses to generate test. Taken an hour before or better

>yet three times a day as a regular regiemen.

 

There are three TWIN LAB products, one which includes Andro and Yohimbe called "Labido Fuel" and two which include both or either Tribulus and DHEA. I knew escorts and porn stars in SF who used to swear by them before the ready availability of Viagra.

 

>Blood flow enhancers include ginko biloba and yohimbine.

>Avoid the yohimbe bark in favor ot the standardized

>yohimbine. These seem best taken an hour before for obvious

>reasons. These (and tribulus) also may have interactions

>with specific drugs so read the labels.

>

>It is my impression that one pays a pretty premium for hyped

>male performance enhancers and with little assurance as to

>how much of what and at what quality you are getting it.

>I'd get the individual herbs and shop for price and quality.

> IN fact I do because these same herbs are used for sport

>supplement purposes -- I wonder why?? :-)

 

I agree with the comment about Twin Lab makes "Yohimbe Fuel" with is standardize for Yohimbe. However, please keep in mind that blood flow is the same issue with poppers that one would have with Viagra. If you cannot do Poppers with Viagra (and some guys can, but do you really want to practice on yourself to find out?), you cannot do with Yohimbe.

 

Again, take with caution, read before your purchase, buy from a reputable company and a reputable store and make sure you discuss any interactions with the appropriate medical practioners in your life.

 

Good luck!

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: Yohimbe Bark Extract

 

>DHEA and Androstenedione areboth adrenal hormones and

>precursors to testosterone, "andro" being on step away...

 

I'd point out that the Androstenediol form is three times more potent/effective than Androstenedione and the 4, versions of each much more potent than the 5 , versions of each. 4-Androstenediol is the test (anabolic) prohormone of choice at the moment but has a short life approx 2 hours.

 

All of these will kick up test, some more than others, but all of these must be cycled off on a regular basis due to negative biofeedback. The same is really true for the herbals too but not quite as crtical.

 

DHEA is pretty much wasted money with the other chemicals available on the market -- seems to be the informed opinion.

 

Other androgenic prohormones for building lean muscle mass are more bioavaialable orally and longer-lived in the body but being andorgenic they suppress libido not stimulate it.

[gregkidman]

>First off let me ask a query: Is GregK...your real name? If

>it is or isn't I find it to be "hot"! The ring of it brings

>on tinges of sexiness.

 

There is a story behind the name. Email me about it. gregkidman@yahoo.com

 

To all of you...thanks for the information ... this is great stuff.

 

Cheers,

Greg