Is it normal for a CLIENT to stand you up??

[Guest zipperzone]

Enough is enough already

 

I can't believe that this has generated (so far) FIFTY POSTS. Just because some newbie escort got stood up. How come there isn't nearly as much interest when a client gets stood up???

 

If this is SO important to us - and I include myself in that - then we are a pretty pathetic bunch.

[Guest Hottiewithabody]

ditto zipper

[Guest Hottiewithabody]

I am hoping this is the last post to my question..i would like to leave it at this

 

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whats even more interesting is "Jgoo" is starting to sound alot like Wayout..funny for someone "new" to the site to pinpoint his attention on my post only...

 

This discussion is quite frankly between my client and I..Wayout chose not to contact me therefore Initially I asked on here if It was normal to be stood up by a client..witn no expectation from hearing from wayout considering It is very well knwon that hes met many escorts(he also admits to this) and I would think he would have defiently responded to my emails by the time I originally made this post at least with an explanation or cancellation..

 

Im not asking for any validation..no one knows the entire story other than myself and wayout

 

My reputation goes beyond a few hundred dollars for the night and If I had "played" him and was knowingly wrong by all means I wouldnt have posted all my business and asked for advice being this is the same website wayout contacted me off of therefore I would have had to render his point of view and made to be a fool if I was trying to do him any wrongdoing. As Purplecow has put it best "move on"

 

Ill take this as a lesson learned..I can be the bigger man and say I AM at fault for not sticking with the original rate(regardless if I just thought it was for an evening) Im human..shit happens..and I got nothing out of it except alot of great advise for future clients

[Guest pj4florida]

Flogging

 

There is no need for flogging nor a response from the peanut gallery. You seem to be an intelligent and responsible guy. Contact him directly and work something out. Maybe arrange a meeting and follow through on a visit. You never know especially based on your coming so clean this could end up being best experience for both of you. He would feel you were a man of honor taking risk of coming so forward you see he was a professional knowing you are on this site and not identifying you.

 

You really could turn a so so bad event into something cool for both of you. I can tell you from my personal experience that the best escort I ever have seen came from a similiar situation. I had weeks of bad issues with an Escort in LA - Breadan and now I can't imagine not seeing him all the time. It was never his fault but I took something wrong and he took high road and then after seeing how he handled situation I saw for my own eyes he is a great cool professional guy and now going on 2 years I still see him every month without fail and is absolutely the best overnight or travel companion I have ever been with.

[jgoo]

Best Defense is Good Offense

 

Hottiewithabody, LOL. Look at all the threads on the forum and this is the only interesting active one so that's why one of my first posts was here (although my first post was another thread before replying to yours). I love a good arguement/disagreement.

 

I def noticed how you try to push things away from urself by making some accusation against someone else. At the end, only the two of you know everything but sounds like your ready to move on and take responsibility for the problem.

[jackcali]

Enough!!!

 

Jesus, guys, stop justifying yourselves. No matter what justifications you give, you both acted horribly. You may not be horrible people, but neither of you showed your best here, and you just look worse and worse by adding all these extraneous facts that you say are not justifications (and you're right, they're not), though you clearly intend them to be.

 

Wayout, I think you were badly treated, and I think Hottie really screwed up the compact between escort and client by renegotiating. You had every right to be angry, and every right for it to eat at you even after the phone conversations. (It can take time for us to process our emotions in these circumstances.) You would have been totally right to call Hottie and say "I really don't like the way our interaction has gone and I don't have a good vibe, so I'm cancelling." But to no-show without communication is inexcusable no matter what happened before, and I think you know that.

 

Hottie, you don't have to tell us you're a newbie. You've clearly got no sense yet of what being an escort is. You probably think it's being paid to fuck or get fucked or both for some specified amount of time. Well, that's only part of it. Your job is to provide your client with an enjoyable, maybe even transporting experience that takes him away from whatever troubles or annoyances he's dealing with at the moment or maybe just takes him from his good mood to an even better mood. Now, fucking may be part of that, it may be the biggest part of that, but the fucking isn't the point. A successful escort is successful and respected because of the connection and rapport he builds with his clients (through fucking or otherwise). That connection works only if there's trust between the escort and the client, and you completely wrecked any chance of building trust and connection with Wayout by renegotiating your deal the way that you did. If you can't figure out that your business is as much about the interaction between your and your client's brains as between your and and your client's genitals, you're never going to be a successful escort.

 

Here are two better ways to have dealt with it. Please note that both of them involve providing the service and honoring the rate you quoted, without complaint or renegotiation, which is what an honorable person (which you say you are) in your situation must do. One, keep your mouth shut about the money, give Wayout the best overnight experience you can, and if he comes back for another session, tell him you screwed up last time and charged him the wrong rate and that your actual overnight rate is whatever it is. Two, go through with the overnight and say in the morning when you're settling up that you screwed up and quoted the wrong rate but of course you're going to honor your deal. Make a joke of it ("good thing I didn't quote my hourly rate"), but definitely do not suggest you're looking for anything more than what you quoted. Wayout is totally within his rights to give you exactly what you negotiated and nothing more, but if it was otherwise a good experience, I bet Wayout would have tipped you generously (in part to compensate you for your screw-up), he would feel more positively toward you because of your honesty and he might become a regular, valued client. And one thing a new escort like you should learn from reading this board (as a client I think it's the most valuable thing I've learned in the three months I've been reading it), is that regular, loyal clients are what escorts need to be successful.

 

The good news, Hottie, is that you're young and just starting out, we all make mistakes (even us old guys), and as long as you keep your eyes and ears open and learn what you can from every interaction with a client or another escort, you can become a great and successful escort. I wish you luck.

[+ Archer]

Hottiewithabody and Wayout both seem to be responding defensively to some of these posts. Hopefully, this will help. I train professional sales people. When they do something wrong, I correct them because I want them to succeed. The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference. If I didn't care about them, I would let them fail.

 

Hottiewithabody, you mentioned that you are in the military. I'll bet you screwed up a few times in basic and were loudly corrected by your drill sergeant. You may not have believed this at the time, but he cared enough to want you to be a good soldier. I think that most of the respondents to your post really do want you to succeed as an escort, despite some of the harsh statements.

 

Wayout, you were called on the carpet for your actions, too. By your own admission, you have hired quite a few escorts and understand the vagaries of hiring. Hopefully, you will be able to learn from this situation and have many successful encounters in the future.

 

For both of you, my advice is to forgive each other and yourselves for the mistakes made. It's not the end of the world.

 

Good luck.

[MsGuy]

For both of you, my advice is to forgive each other and yourselves for the mistakes made. It's not the end of the world.

 

Hear, hear!

[Romann]

!!

 

Hear, hear!

 

I 3rd that motion and respect that very mature response! Live, learn and move forward.

[mansniffing]

Into Each Life Some Rain Must Fall

 

It is time to let this subject RIP.

[imrthr]

The missing links!

 

Something is missing with the above dialogs and missing from Hottie's stories.

 

Hottie says he is new to escorting and is in the military. But, if you look at this profile, it says he is a college guy/student!

 

He also said that he had clients that could have taken the slot that he had reserved for Wayout.

 

He further said that he does not have a web site nor can he furnish any place we can see any of his advertisements.

 

Questions, how did Wayout contact Hottie and how did the other clients of Hottie contact him when Hottie does not advertise?

 

Hmmmmmm!

[Guest Hottiewithabody]

First off let me start by saying I am not the President and quite frankly none of you are God. I have no explaining to do..Period. I have been picked apart by the vultures out there and as someone who is new I was hoping for more guidance rather than a he said she said back and forth between other members. That being said this is the last time I will be responding to any of this rubbish and hope that everyone can move on from this post...NOW to answer the last post..let me break it down for you..AGAIN

 

 

The missing links!

Something is missing with the above dialogs and missing from Hottie's stories.

 

1.Hottie says he is new to escorting and is in the military. But, if you look at this profile, it says he is a college guy/student!-----

 

A. They have things called ROTC programs..look into it.

 

2.He also said that he had clients that could have taken the slot that he had reserved for Wayout.------

 

B. If you would have read my posts I mentioned the booking for my other clients was in the same time slot I had arranged for Wayout

 

3.He further said that he does not have a web site nor can he furnish any place we can see any of his advertisements.

 

C. http://www.gayescortclub.com/profile.php?user_id=1886

http://www.maleescortreview.com/109080091/

Also have a Rentboy account in the works coming soon.

 

 

Questions, how did Wayout contact Hottie and how did the other clients of Hottie contact him when Hottie does not advertise?----

 

D. I was contacted through my website

 

Lastly Wayout and I have communicated quite a bit and there were misunderstandings on both parts. We have resolved the issue and I completely respect him for coming forth as a man admitting his mistake as I have apologized for my mistake which caused the whole chaos.

 

Godspeed

[JoshAB]

I will be responding to any of this rubbish and hope that everyone can move ...

 

Hey Hottie - ignore the lot that piss you off. It's very therapeutic when you hit the ignore button...and never hear from them again.

 

Nice pic and profile. Hope to meet you one day!

J.

[JT Brooklyn]

I'm sorry, but I have to clarify this. You're willing to hand over the personal information of (e-mails and contact numbers) of your other clients???? Do they know you're willing to do this????

 

Alan

 

In the Biz a Month..Has Regulars already Willing to pass on those alleged Regulars Contacts ..

 

Last but not least... Who has ever seen an AD for this guy with any PIX'S whatsoever?

[Guest greatness]

oh well

 

Some escorts I've met lied to me all the time. I am not saying that Hottiewithabody lied but does the truth really matter? One time an escort lied to me that he's a medic in the military and fabricated a lot of stories. I didn't mind it as long as he provided a good service.

 

 

 

 

 

In the Biz a Month..Has Regulars already Willing to pass on those alleged Regulars Contacts ..

 

Last but not least... Who has ever seen an AD for this guy with any PIX'S whatsoever?

[KMEM]

You are very forgiving, greatness. I don't like for people to lie to me but I certainly concede some lies seem more important than others.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Lookin]

Some escorts I've met lied to me all the time.

 

One time an escort lied to me and told me he was a runaway from the State Home for the Wayward, and that he was just trying to make enough cash to return to his brothers in Arkansas where they were going to open a Ranch for Men. They would cater to an older crowd, cook their meals, run their errands, make their beds, and teach them how to ride side saddle.

 

He made up something about them all being six feet, dark hair, blue-eyed, ripped and hung like donkeys. He even tried to tell me that he'd hold a spot for me in the Private Bunkhouse just as soon as they opened.

 

He continued to fib to me all night long.

 

Of course, I asked him to.

 

 

http://disney.go.com/vault/archives/movies/pinocchio/b07a3d.jpg

[Guest greatness]

Well

 

It's not that I'm so forgiving but we have to let things slide sometimes because no one is perfect. I had a couple of escorts who lied to me about several things but they weren't completely dishonest. As long as it doesn't harm me I don't mind. However, I hate when "play safe" doesn't mean anything.

 

You are very forgiving, greatness. I don't like for people to lie to me but I certainly concede some lies seem more important than others.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[KMEM]

That is one of the deficiencies of logic problems. One must assume that liars always lie and truth tellers always tell the truth. Real life doesn't work that way, does it?

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Guest zipperzone]

This will make it the 70th post - 20 more than when it was at 50 and I ventured to suggest that enough was enough. Will this never stop or does Daddy have to lock the thread?

[Guest Hottiewithabody]

Haha I apologize zipper..whats funny is wayout and I have resolved the issue yet this thing keeps going! I have tried to delete the thread..went to the FAQ section and cant seem to do so..can u still delete posts??

[wayout]

Let me just restate that hottie and I have been able to resolve this issue in a positive way. It was an unfortunate situation, lots of lessons learned and I am glad we can put it behind us. Hopefully everyone can put this thread to bed.

[imrthr]

Let me just restate that hottie and I have been able to resolve this issue in a positive way. It was an unfortunate situation, lots of lessons learned and I am glad we can put it behind us. Hopefully everyone can put this thread to bed.

 

 

The thread can rest.

 

The subject matter was interesting and it was a learning experience for you and the escort as well as for us readers.

 

The thread provided an exchange of ideas in connection with an agreed price being changed in mid stream.

 

In the end, everything worked out to each person's expectation. That is a good thing.

[Guest greatness]

wayout

 

I think you are a gentleman! Thank you for sharing your experience~

 

Let me just restate that hottie and I have been able to resolve this issue in a positive way. It was an unfortunate situation, lots of lessons learned and I am glad we can put it behind us. Hopefully everyone can put this thread to bed.

[alanalt]

..whats funny is wayout and I have resolved the issue yet this thing keeps going! I have tried to delete the thread...

 

Proof that it's often a lot easier to let the genie out of the bottle than to stuff him back into it later on...

 

Alan

 

PS - Glad you and wayout were able to settle this amicably.