CAVEAT EMPTOR: An Open Letter to Hooboy

[Barry]

Ritchie's an escort ??????

 

>Regulation I can assure you that there is absolutely no

>personal information noted in the escort's only section

>about clients. As I have said several times it is really a

>boring forum, a few warnings about very dangerous clients,

>virtually not a word about people who post here and mostly

>cluttered with chit chat that would put a hyperactive kid to

>sleep

 

Ritchie, I didn't know you are/were an escort?

 

Barry

[+ deej]

RE: Ritchie's an escort ??????

 

Richie says he's also seen the moderators forum.

 

He must be someone's REALLY good friend. Or he's HooBoy.

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

Never have been invited to respond or view an Escort forum, my point is that if you can search and destroy, we should be able to as well

[Guest tmbg]

RE: Ritchie's an escort ??????

 

>

>Ritchie, I didn't know you are/were an escort?

>

>Barry

 

Hi Barry, I am not an escort and if I gave that impression I am very sorry. It was not my intent to have anybody think I was an escort. Though I do wish I looked like a few on this site

 

Cheers! Ritchie

[bluenix]

>When one hires someone to have sexual intercourse, what

>information could be more material than his HIV status?

 

When one buys an airline ticket to fly somewhere, what information could be more material than the airline's safety record?

 

Yet airlines do not disclose their crash rates, and no one expects them to. Here we have, as you say, a buyer and a seller (I misused the word 'agent' above/oops) and perfectly accurate and available information. But it is neither by custom nor expectation part of the transaction. I submit that there are LOTS of examples where the transparency you recommend simply does not exist, and that there are good reasons it doesn't.

 

>Two years ago I read an article in The Times stating that

>the failure rate for condoms is 17% on average. Let's

>assume this is a ludicrous exaggeration and that the true

>rate is less than half that, or 7%. If an escort meets an

>average of three unique clients per week for three years, is

>a top, is positive, and uses a condom on each occasion, how

>many people would be exposed to HIV?

 

Sounds like an argument in favor of legalizing and (ahem) regulating prostitution. Licensing, health screening, etc. Would you be in favor of that?

[Guest regulation]

>Never have been invited to respond or view an Escort forum,

>my point is that if you can search and destroy, we should be

>able to as well

 

So who's stopping you? If they won't let you into the escort only forum, post your information here just as BofN does. It's fine with me. And this is either the fourth or the fifth time I've said so in this thread alone. How many times do you need to see it?

[Guest regulation]

>When one buys an airline ticket to fly somewhere, what

>information could be more material than the airline's safety

>record?

 

Good analogy.

 

>

>Yet airlines do not disclose their crash rates, and no one

>expects them to.

 

You are wrong. Airlines are obliged to provide such information to

the Department of Transportation, which publishes it on a regular basis.

 

 

>Here we have, as you say, a buyer and a

>seller (I misused the word 'agent' above/oops) and perfectly

>accurate and available information. But it is neither by

>custom nor expectation part of the transaction.

 

As I pointed out above, the example you provided is false. Even if it were true, which it is not, the fact that people ignore safety concerns in one transaction is hardly a reason why they should do the same in other transactions. The whole idea seems to me utterly ridiculous. Thanks for posting it. :-)

 

 

>I submit

>that there are LOTS of examples where the transparency you

>recommend simply does not exist, and that there are good

>reasons it doesn't.

 

Oh? Tell me what is a good reason for ignoring an airline's safety record when you are deciding which carrier to use for yourself or your loved ones.

 

>Sounds like an argument in favor of legalizing and (ahem)

>regulating prostitution. Licensing, health screening, etc.

>Would you be in favor of that?

 

You are confusing me. A little while ago it seemed to me you were saying that disclosing the HIV status of prostitutes would be an intolerable invasion of their privacy. Now it seems to me you are saying that we should create a regulatory :-) regime that will require them to disclose that and much, much more or be forced out of business. Why the change of heart?

[+ deej]

>I've seen the private moderator's forum. It offers an

>interesting insight on how "we" are viewed among other

>topics that I cannot share due to the privacy issues.

>

>It is far more interesting than the escort's forum that is

>for sure

>

>Cheers! Ritchie

 

Really? How cute. A little research turns up a slightly different story.

 

[h3]For anyone interested in the real facts here....[/h3]

 

Ritchie has never seen the moderators section and saw the escorts only section through the clearly misplaced trust of an escort who no longer has access to that section due to Ritchie's inability to respect a confidence.

[BewareofNick]

Reg, as usual, I find myself in total agreement. The thing that disturbs me here though is the inability of most posters to discern the real issue here:

 

* It's not about being HIV+ *

 

* It's about deceptive business practices *

 

Escorts like Michael JOhnson, LilBlondBoy (OMG HE IS SO DAMN CUTE!!), etc are up front about their HIV status. That is an admirable trait.

 

Escorts such as Brandon Keadin, Antonio Vela, etc are up front about their barebacking activities. (Antonio is also a performer for Hot Desert Knights, jsut like Jeff palmer and jackson Price) Common sense dictates that barebacking leads to a far greater risk of transmission than use of a condom.

 

The thing that is the SAME in both these situations is that the escorts in question are above board and honest and allow the client to make a fully informed decision.

 

WHen you have an escort who creates a whole separate identity for barebacking activities that is being deceitful. Again, it's not about the fact that they are doing it..it's about teh decpetive business practices.

 

I feel that those escorts who are for some reason hiding their bareback activites deserve to be exposed, not because they bareback, or because they might be HIV+, but because they are dishonest.

 

Are we clear?

[Barry]

RE: Ritchie's an escort ??????

 

>Hi Barry, I am not an escort and if I gave that impression I

>am very sorry. It was not my intent to have anybody think I

>was an escort. Though I do wish I looked like a few on this

>site

>

>Cheers! Ritchie

 

Well I didn't think you were until you started talking about what goes on in the escort only forum. I was a moderator and didn't have access to that private forum. Thought only escorts did.

[Guest tmbg]

I have never mentioned where my access to both forums came from. You are free to post what you like. I will not comment on why I was able to view both forums.

 

I will state that I never have released any information related to either forum that breaks the Message Center Rules. Obviously I coud post screen shots in other venues but I have no intention of doing so. Had I any intention or ill will to break anyone's trust I would have done so long before now. I am sorry you appear to be so bitter about my access. If it makes you feel any more comfortable my access to both forums ended about 10 days ago.

 

Simply put I was trying to assure a jittery poster or two who expressed concern there is not much of anything of interest in the Escorts Forum that the real action is seen in the Moderators Forum.

 

Aside from a good nature jab at Hooboy or a few others I feel that the majority of my posts have been friendly and respectful.

 

Cheers! Ritchie

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>Sounds like an argument in favor of legalizing and (ahem)

>regulating prostitution. Licensing, health screening, etc.

>Would you be in favor of that?

 

I sure would - and it's not that revolutionary an idea. It is the norm in many countries that we consider to be perfectly civilized.

 

But good luck in convincing John Asscroft!

 

Thunderbuns

[bluenix]

Okay, you win. That was fun. And educational, or for me, anyhow:

http://www.airline-safety-records.com/

 

Let's see, what else. Oh, on the HIV thing you're wrong.

 

:o :+ :o

[+ deej]

>I have never mentioned where my access to both forums came

>from. You are free to post what you like. I will not comment

>on why I was able to view both forums.

 

I will not reveal how you got access either because we won't reveal what information is available to us in the server logs (and from a few simple phone calls).

 

You've misrepresented yourself. You had access to ONE private forum that you shouldn't have had access to, lied about access to another forum, and your actions caused your unwitting accomplice to lose his legitimate access.

 

This does not appear to me to be a way to build credibility for "assuring" ANYONE.

[Guest regulation]

>Okay, you win. That was fun. And educational, or for me,

>anyhow:

>http://www.airline-safety-records.com/

 

Good for you. :-)

 

>

>Let's see, what else. Oh, on the HIV thing you're wrong.

 

Wrong about what? That condoms sometimes fail? That the fact that they fail means there is a significant risk in having intercourse with someone who is positive even if a condom is used? That it is easier for consumers to make an informed decision about a purchase of goods or services when they have more information about those goods or services? I don't think I'm wrong about any of those things and neither you nor anyone else who has posted in this thread has refuted my position on any of them.

[bluenix]

>Wrong about what? That condoms sometimes fail? That the

>fact that they fail means there is a significant risk in

>having intercourse with someone who is positive even if a

>condom is used? That it is easier for consumers to make an

>informed decision about a purchase of goods or services when

>they have more information about those goods or services? I

>don't think I'm wrong about any of those things and neither

>you nor anyone else who has posted in this thread has

>refuted my position on any of them.

 

 

x( :* x(

[Guest Ant415]

< am curious...do you ask your escorts to provide you with proof that they are negative? >

 

 

and in what form would that proof come in? A doctors note? his personal diary? CDC certification? There is no proof, only someone's word.