My response to Emillio's (Premiere's?) response.

[Guest JON1265]

I want to thank Deej and Hooboy for allowing me to post my say on the response from Emillio in today's review section.

 

I first must say that this response was in no way, IMHO, written by Emillio. All one has to do is spend five minutes with the boy and you would realize it is not his "voice".

 

I would like to point out that I do not, and never will, greet an escort with a "chip on my shoulder." I greet and treat ALL my escorts with warmth and do my damndest to make them comfortable and relaxed. I know it is hard to knock on a stranger's door and then be intimate with that person 15 minutes later. I was not complaining in the least and even called room service for some beverages for him - but the bar was not open yet. So he agreed to the bottled water I had in my room.

 

As for the the bad breath - I am very aware of my breath at all times-because bad breath offends me. I always gargle with mouthwash several times before an escort arrives. And at no time did Emillio "french" kiss me. He simply stated that he didn't do it.

 

At no time did Emillio "finger" me. He stated that he had never done anal with a client before. Besides which I always douche before an escort arrives - whether I top or bottom, so I am clean.

 

At no time did Emillio go near my crotch or dick - besides which I use powder down there and was showered and clean before he arrived.

 

I feel that I am not a trouble maker, an instigator, or have an "attitude" on these threads. I simply state my view or position on various topics or certain business practices. I always try to maintain a sense of civility and I call em as I see em.

 

I feel bad that Premiere felt the need to trash a client who has in the past always given good reviews to prior escorts. (Aaron, Troy, and Brent.) I had a bad experience...Premiere was gracious about it and I stated that in my review.

 

I want to thank Deej and Hooboy again for allowing me my say. I felt I needed to address these lies that were said about me. Some people may view this as whining - that is your choice - I felt a personal need to address these items. Thank you, guys.

[+ Lucky]

The response provided struck me as more likely to have been written by the escort agency than the escort. It seems to be the common escort response to a bad review to claim that the client was dirty. This may happen at times, but most people hiring escorts want a positive experience, greet the escort warmly, try to make everyone comfortable, and proceed to a good time.

An escort that comes up with all these things he doesn't do after the appointment is made should be turned away.

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

Ok, that's much better. :-)

 

I might point out, however, that you have no proof that Premiere wrote the rebuttal. If you don't think it was Emillio, it might have been a friend of his. (Yes, even escorts can have friends.) Is it possible that Premiere may have fired Emillio on the spot (given that you were a regular client) and that this is what may have provoked the rebuttal? If so, you owe Premiere an apology.

 

If it's any consolation to you, no escort working for an agency can realistically survive with two such rebuttals, so Emillio's next negative review is going to take quite a bit of finessing.

 

And don't take TT too seriously. He is just pulling your leg and has a thing for abusive escorts. (You have to admit that, even if untrue, Emillio's rebuttal was entertaining.) :-)

[Guest alanm]

It's been said many times on this site, but I'll say it again: You

learn more from the escort's response than from the original review.

I did go back and read your reviews of Aaron and Brent, both positive

reviews. I think Emillio did write part of the response, but he also

had help. If that help came from Premiere, it is chilling because it's

one of the strongest, most damaging to the client, responses I've ever seen on this site. Even if everything Emillio et. al. say is true, it could have been said in a far less damaging way. There are always two sides to the story, perhaps Premiere has good reason to be angry at you that have nothing to do with Emillio. Don't let this go, talk to Nick at Premiere. Nick is a decent guy.

[Guest 7Zach]

Hey, you have to hand it to Emillio for making sure: after saying your breath was bad, and you smelled horrendous in the crotch, he then checks your butt out with his finger? What's this, he wears a belt and suspenders? He doesn't trust his instincts? Teasing you -

In your defense, you gave good reviews to Brent and Aaron, and two negative ones to I believe Marcello and someone else. So you don't just always say negative things.

Did Emillio write it? I don't know, but if you think Premiere helped, I'd consider that next time I used them. You've knocked them twice so maybe it's just payback. Who knows?

[Guest]

Oops. I just noted this response after posting on the other string. I must say, my instinct is to believe you, not the escort. I don't know whether the response was written by Premiere or not, but I've also had some "hanky-panky" in dealing with them. I wouldn't put it past them.

[Guest JT]

"I also noticed that the client that wrote this review "JON1265" always seems to have a bad attitude when it comes to posting threads on your Message Center. He seems to have nothing nice to say about anyone and is always getting in disputes with other people on the board."

 

The above statement is a direct quote from Emillio's response. I don't know whether he wrote it or not but it seemed to me that this could be an attempt to make people question Jon's credibility. Perhaps those of you who are good "detectives" (like BON? :-) ) can do a search on the MC and help us find out whether the above statement is true or not. This may also shed light on the "truthfulness" of Emillio's response.

 

 

JT

[Guest TruthTeller]

RE: My response to Esc-Tracker.

 

>JON1265 thanks for doing the review of Emilio. Writing a

>review, especially if it is a negative one, really puts the

>reviewer at a disadvantage. The response by the escort

>could, and usually is, very vicious.

 

I don't know what world you live in, but it must be a very small and unreal one if you actually think that it's a horrible thing for some escort to say some bad things about you - while you are ANONYMOUS - in some cyber forum. How the fuck does it hurt you? Why the fuck would you care?

 

As many others have pointed out, a bad review about an escort can harm them personally and and undermine their livelihood - because we know who they are. By obvious contrast, a "bad review" about a client is completely inconsequential, because nobody knows who you are and nobody cares. The whining and self-victimization over the most trivial things is seriously incomprehensible.

 

>Perhaps that's why

>there are very few negative reviews.

 

This forum is populated by total pussies if what you say is true - i.e., that people are actually deterred from writing a bad review about an escort out of FEAR that the escort will say mean things back. Why in the fuck would that deter anyone?

 

>In this case the

>agency and the escort were at fault and they just made it

>worse by writing that response.

 

How do you know this? How do you know that what was written in response to Jon's review - whether written by Emilio, the agency, or both - isn't true? Why do you disbelieve that the reason Emilio wanted nothing to do with Jon was because Jon had a dirty, stinky hole? There must be some reason why Emilio - who is an ESCORT - didn't want to touch him.

 

>For you to say that

>Emilio's friend wrote the rebutal or Emilio was fired and

>Jon1265 should apologize to Premier...(after they tried to

>trash him)...is ridiculous. Esc-Tracker, you owe Jon1265

>and the rest of us that populate this board an apology.

 

You must have been wearing diapers when you wrote this. Why should Esc-Tracker apologize for expressing his opinion about what happened?

 

The fact is that there are vindictive clients who write false, bad reviews because they want to harm the escort - out of some perceived slight, because the escort didn't make them feel loved, because the client is insane, or any number of countless reasons. It's certainly understandable that an escort - whose LIVELIHOOD, unlike the client's, is at stake - would respond aggressively.

 

If you're going to publicly write critical and potentially harmful things about someone - as Jon did about Emilio - you have to expect that they may write critical things back. Only 5 year-olds think they're entitled to hit someone without being hit back.

[Guest BenDover]

I don't quite understand what someone posts in the Message Center has to do with the experience of the escort and the client. I found the comment somewhat disingenuous and unnecessarily personal in what was already a rather pointed response. As others have said, an escorts response often says a lot more about the experience than the review. I, too, am leaning toward the client's story, but I'm not sure we will really know everything.

[Guest Sports]

RE: My response to Esc-Tracker.

 

JON1265 thanks for doing the review of Emilio. Writing a review, especially if it is a negative one, really puts the reviewer at a disadvantage. The response by the escort could, and usually is, very vicious. Perhaps that's why there are very few negative reviews. In this case the agency and the escort were at fault and they just made it worse by writing that response. Of course PREMIERE wrote the response. In PREMIERE'S escort lounge there is a sign that states "DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY NEGATIVE REVIEWS ON HOOBOY'S WEBSITE WITHOUT CONSULTING THE MANAGEMENT." They consult and Premiere writes the response.

Esc-Tracker I think you are on crack. For you to say that Emilio's friend wrote the rebutal or Emilio was fired and Jon1265 should apologize to Premier...(after they tried to trash him)...is ridiculous. Esc-Tracker, you owe Jon1265 and the rest of us that populate this board an apology....So quit your job at Premiere and apologize or schedule an appointment with Emilio and write your own review.

[Guest JON1265]

Thanks for the support guys.

 

I realize none of you know me from Adam, and there are always two sides to every story, but I am not one to make up lies I assure you.

 

Even in my negative reviews I try not to be nasty...if I am I will have to look at how I review. I attempt to be as honest as I can about the encounter.

 

I don't want to make a huge deal of this...I just felt a need to address those lies in the response. And as far as I can see Emillio is still up on the webpage of Premiere.

 

Thanks again.

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

RE: My response to Esc-Tracker.

 

I have to admit to being astonished. I have been on this message board for close to a year now. As you can tell from my number of posts, I have been a regular contributor, and not just a lurker. The only controversy I have ever been involved in has been with one foul mouthed poster (who blissfully now posts little under other aliases).

 

Now it would seem that two posters, first JON1265 and now Sports, seem unable to read my posts at their plain meaning. If I may recapitulate for the interested parties:

 

1. JON1265 posts a negative review of Emillio.

 

2. Emillio responds with some rather over the top offensive complaints concerning JON1265's hygiene, and includes a patently false accusation that JON1265 only posts negative reviews. Entertaining perhaps, but not entirely convincing as a rebuttal. If I lived in Philly (and was attracted to Emillio) I would want to see a few more positive reviews from credible reviewers before hiring him.

 

3. Next comes a post on this message board from JON1265, complaining about censorship because Hooboy would not allow a rebuttal to the rebuttal, but addressing none of the issues raised by Emillio except to complain about being trashed and defamed. In the same message JON1265 asks for our thoughts.

 

4. Nowhere did JON1265 say he only wanted sympathy. If he had, I would certainly have held my peace as I had insufficient knwoledge of the facts to offer any. I did feel I had a few pertinent remarks, however, and so I made them.

 

First that his post was whiny (in that it complained about censorship, about being trashed by an escort, etc., but offered no new facts). Second, that he was obviously not being censored since his message had been posted. Third, that the tone of his complaint reflected badly on him. Fourth, that he had indeed been trashed, but that he had done the escort far more harm (rightly or wrongly) than the escort could possibly have done him, as Emillio has to live with the consequences of the review in the real world whereas "JON1265" is merely an untraceable alias.

 

5. JON1265 apparently took some offence at my comments. I don't understand why, as all my points were factual. If he can't stand having his posts described as "whiny", he shouldn't invite comments on them. Be this as it may, JON1265 then slams we with a negative rating accusing me of having trashed him on the board. Not that I care particularly as I think the whole rating feature is inane (my thanksfor the kind thoughts of those who have chosen to give me good ratings, but I won't be rating anyone), but I did notice and shrugged.

 

6. JON1265 then does what he should have done in the first place which is post a detailed response to Emillio's charges answering them one by one and in detail. Apparently, it surfaces that his first attempt to do so had been intercepted by Hooboy, which I now understand was the "censorship" JON1265 was complaining about. He could have made a bit clearer in his original post that had certainly given me and others the impression that he had wanted to post a response in the review section.

 

Still JON1265 makes a few new points, such as his being a regular client at Premiere (which I assume to be factual), that Emillio did not have the linguistic skills to write the rebuttal (which I was willing to allow), and (most extraordinarily) that Premiere must have written it for him.

 

I'm sorry, but to me that doesn't square with JON1265 being a regular client unless the other Premiere escorts he has been with have also complained to their employer about him. What possible interest would Premiere have in trashing a regular client who will now, as a consequence, certainly (I assume) be taking his custom elsewhere?

 

Since I allowed for the possibility that Emillio had, in fact, received help in writing his rebuttal, I suggested a friend might have done so and emphasized that Emillio had (rightly or wrongly) grounds for being embittered enough to take such action. As JON1265 claimed to be a regular and (I would have assumed) valued client, I suggested there was a chance Emillio might have been fired. It was only a suggestion, and we will find out the truth in the goodness of time. I have every reason to assume that JON1265 is a sensible, if somewhat distraught, (if I can judge from the rating he gave me) individual. What he makes of the scenario I offered as a possibility is up to him.

 

7. Then Sports post the following gem, which I feel called upon to dissect for general edification:

 

>JON1265 thanks for doing the review of Emilio.<

 

I can join in these thanks. If the experience was as JON1265 described, he certainly performed a public service to those on this board who might have otherwise hired Emillio.

 

>Writing a

>review, especially if it is a negative one, really puts the

>reviewer at a disadvantage.

 

How Sports comes to this conclusion is beyond me. How is the reviewer ever at a "disadvantage"? Is his livelihood affected? Is he exposed to anyone as a john? Is he outed? How is he in any way affected by the rebuttal? The reviewer's handle is simply a set of pixels on my screen. There is no face, name or address attached to it.

 

>The response by the escort

>could, and usually is, very vicious.

 

It isn't "usually" vicious. And when it is, it tends to show the escort in a worse light. The reviewer, I feel called on to point out yet again, is in no way affected by a scurrilous rebuttal.

 

>Perhaps that's why

>there are very few negative reviews.

 

Possibly, but if that's the case, there are a lot of gutless potential reviewers who can't separate themselves from their aliases. I'm not sure I would be interested in what anyone that neurotic had to say anyway.

 

>In this case the

>agency and the escort were at fault and they just made it

>worse by writing that response.

 

Worse for whom? And what evidence is there, other than JON1265's surmise, that Premiere had something to do with the rebuttal?

 

>Of course PREMIERE wrote

>the response. In PREMIERE'S escort lounge there is a sign

>that states "DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY NEGATIVE REVIEWS ON

>HOOBOY'S WEBSITE WITHOUT CONSULTING THE MANAGEMENT."

 

How exactly does Sports know this? Does (did) he work for Premiere?

 

>They

>consult and Premiere writes the response.

 

Ditto.

 

>Esc-Tracker I think you are on crack.

 

Apparently, Sports believes his thoughts regarding my consumption habits are either relevant or of interest to me. I fear he is mistaken on both counts.

 

>For you to say that

>Emilio's friend wrote the rebutal or Emilio was fired and

>Jon1265 should apologize to Premier...(after they tried to

>trash him)...is ridiculous.

 

It has yet to be established that Emillio did not write the rebuttal himself, or that Premiere had anything to do with it. I will allow that my suggestion that a friend *might* have written it or that Emillio *might* have been fired could be mistaken. Frankly they seem just as plausible, if not more so, than that Premiere should go out of its way to defend a non-performing escort and trash a "regular" customer. I don't know, maybe logic and self-interest are understood differently south of the border. You tell me.

 

>Esc-Tracker, you owe Jon1265

>and the rest of us that populate this board an apology....

 

I owe you, Sir, nothing at all. If anyone else, JON1265 included, feels I have anything to apologize for, they can let me know themselves.

 

>So

>quit your job at Premiere and apologize

 

I don't work for or use agencies. I know far too many escorts in far too many cities (as my handle should have clued you in) for agencies to be of any use to me. The one exception I will make is that I have every intention of making use of Maximum's services, if I can ever get to NYC, to bang the daylights out of Domino, and that's only because I have no other means of contacting him. If Premiere wishes to send me a cheque, however, I will happily cash it.

 

>or schedule an

>appointment with Emilio and write your own review.

 

Unfortunately, Emillio does not interest me, nor do I live in Philly, nor am I likely to visit it in the forseeable future. Otherwise, I would certainly write a review if the experience was worth one (for good or ill), as I have done for many others.

[Guest regulation]

RE: My response to Esc-Tracker.

 

>JON1265 thanks for doing the review of Emilio. Writing a

>review, especially if it is a negative one, really puts the

>reviewer at a disadvantage. The response by the escort

>could, and usually is, very vicious. Perhaps that's why

>there are very few negative reviews. In this case the

>agency and the escort were at fault and they just made it

>worse by writing that response. Of course PREMIERE wrote

>the response. In PREMIERE'S escort lounge there is a sign

>that states "DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY NEGATIVE REVIEWS ON

>HOOBOY'S WEBSITE WITHOUT CONSULTING THE MANAGEMENT." They

>consult and Premiere writes the response.

 

>Esc-Tracker I think you are on crack. For you to say that

>Emilio's friend wrote the rebutal or Emilio was fired and

>Jon1265 should apologize to Premier...(after they tried to

>trash him)...is ridiculous. Esc-Tracker, you owe Jon1265

>and the rest of us that populate this board an apology....So

>quit your job at Premiere and apologize or schedule an

>appointment with Emilio and write your own review.

 

I concur in all of your comments, except in your opinion that Esc-Tracker is on crack and is employed by Premier. He is simply someone who is emotionally dependent on escorts and has developed the habit of attacking any poster who engages in any serious criticism of escorts. I don't think it has anything to do with drugs or with his employment. But I could be wrong. :-)

[Guest Sports]

Another bad review for Premiere

 

There is another bad review for PREMIERE today listed under Christian. I hope Esc-Tracker and his alter ego TruthTeller (Where did he get that name?)can give us there opinions on this review.

[Guest Esc_Tracker]

RE: Another bad review for Premiere

 

Sorry for not responding earlier, but I was on the road in DC being victimized by a double no show from Joey Hart (more on that shortly).

 

In specific response to your question, Christian's review is a bad review about Christian and not about Premiere. I don't see what Premiere can do about an escort who is a no show, other than fire him. It does seem, however, that Premiere has been having some difficulty satisfying clients lately. I don't have any other thoughts concerning this particular incident.

 

What makes you think TT is my alter ego (a disturbing thought for all concerned, I am sure)? :7