SERIOUS IMMIGRATION DANGER

[trilingual]

>About the Investor Visa, is it what we here call 'definitiva,'

>or without expiry, or one that someone would have to renew

>from time to time, even if it is definitiva, would someone

>have to meet period objectives, like employment of a certain

>number of locals here? Some of my American friends straight

>and otherwise are considering a Retiree Visa, but they are

>preoccupied that they may not officially transfer US$2,000

>every month, and of there fore losing the visa. I know others

>seriously considering a Companheiro Visa (same-sex or not),

>but are worried about having to maybe share one half of their

>assets with this partner even if things don't work out. I

>personally would only advise Companheiro Visa for someone who

>has truly found their life partner here. I'm interested in

>your thoughts as a permanent resident.

 

The investor visa, from what I have been told, is "definitivo." You have to be able to invest US$50,000 and promise to create ten (10) paid jobs for Brazilians within 2 years of receiving the visa. Brazilians who seem to know think the second provision is probably not enforceable, although you would have to show that you made bona fide efforts to hire Brazilians for the business to avoid the appearance of fraud.

 

The retirement visa, for those who are eligibile, is the easiest. You don't have to transfer US$2,000 every month to Brazil, as far as I know. You have to prove to the consulate that you have an income of at least US$2,000/mo. (if you're single) and that there are no impediments to the money being transferred to Brazil. For this you need a letter from whomever pays your pension or from your bank manager (all notarized, of course, because Brazilian bureaucrats LOVE embossed stamps and official-looking stuff and, of course, making you go through any number of unnecessary hoops) clearly stating that there are no restrictions on your being able to transfer the funds to Brazil. This requirement is probably because there ARE countries that have currency transfer restrictions (including Brazil) and it doesn't do any good for you to have money abroad if you can't bring it to Brazil to live on!

 

I agree about the partner's visa (or marrying a Brazilian to get a visa): unless you really have found your life partner here, DO NOT DO THIS without very good legal advice. Otherwise you will find that half of everything you own belongs to the person you married or listed as a partner! It's possible to avoid some of those consequences through things like prenuptial agreements, but not all of them, so be very careful and don't just marry the first person who offers to do this for you!

 

Whatever kind of visa you get, please read the information about Brazilian taxes and get good tax advice BEFORE you take the plunge. You don't want to find you've made a very expensive mistake, and you definitely don't want the Receita showing up on your doorstep three or four years from now, demanding back taxes, interest (at Brazil's astronomical rates) and possible criminal penalties, to boot!

[jackhammer91406]

class

 

Hey Tri,

A classy apology.

Way to go.

[stanzip]

>You guys are right and I'm wrong. It's bad advice. It just

>made me so angry what the PF are doing that I got a little too

>hot under the collar!

>

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This is a retraction and a “classy” apology? I think not.

 

Trilingual is a person fluent in Portuguese who has spent many years in Brazil, who rents an apartment in Brazil, who intends to retire in Brazil and who is regarded on this board as an expert on matters related to Brazil.

 

Consider the foregoing facts and then try to reconcile Trilingual flippantly calling his unethical advice being “a little too hot under the collar.”

 

Clearly, a person in Trilingual's position of an expert on Brazil coaching readers on this board to intentionally lie to Brazilian officials and falsely accuse innocent immigrant officers of soliciting bribes cannot logically be described as “a little too hot under the collar.” How can we ever believe Trilingual in the future?

 

Trilingual even furnished some addresses and telephone numbers for other Brazilian agencies where false reports may be lodged. He further suggested going to the newspapers and making the same false allegations against innocent Brazilian immigration officers.

 

His "apology" was disingenuous because it was immediately followed by a hypothetical scenario of attaching R$100,00 reais to your passport when you go through Brazilian immigration to assure you will get your full 90-days upon entry into Brazil.

 

This board is an excellent warehouse of information for those wishing to visit Brazil. That warehouse was severely tarnished by the ludicrous advice posted by Trilingual.

 

He should “lay low” and hope that no one, of the many people he previously and unjustifyably attacked on this board, decides to furnish his postings to the Brazilian authorities.

 

If that happens, Trilingual will become a lot more than “a little hot under the collar” while he is brought before the Brazilian authorities to explain his “advice” to them.

 

Trilingual’s true colors came through with his mean and cruel advice. There is no question that an innocent Brazilian immigration officer could have his job in jeopardy if someone were to follow the advice instigated and suggested by Trilingual.

 

One odd thing is the hypocrisy of Trilingual's advice. He claims that he has a "love of Brazil.” However, his love certainly doesn’t include caring about destroying innocent Brazilian workers who do not do what Trilingual wants.

 

I realize this message sounds harsh. However, the gravity of what Trilingual wrote cannot merely by brushed away with an “apology” that he obviously did not mean.

[Guest ihpguy]

Are these attacks, this mean-spiritedness called for? No wonder the other site is getting so much more traffic. A pleasure to log onto.

[stanzip]

>Are these attacks, this mean-spiritedness called for? No

>wonder the other site is getting so much more traffic. A

>pleasure to log onto.

>

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You missed the entire point of my posting. My message was not an attack. My message was a focus on Trilingual's advice to posters on this site to knowingly, intentionally and falsely accuse Brazilian immigration officers of asking for a bribe. That is not an attack.

 

Trilingual breached his position as an expert on Brazilian travel by advocating such an immoral low-down thing and posting it here in a public forum.

[jackhammer91406]

Yeah, zipper and then retracted it and said he was wrong. Move on.

[+ Axiom2001]

>>You guys are right and I'm wrong. It's bad advice. It

>just

>>made me so angry what the PF are doing that I got a little

>too

>>hot under the collar!

>>

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>

>This is a retraction and a “classy” apology? I think not.

>

>Trilingual is a person fluent in Portuguese who has spent many

>years in Brazil, who rents an apartment in Brazil, who intends

>to retire in Brazil and who is regarded on this board as an

>expert on matters related to Brazil.

>

>Consider the foregoing facts and then try to reconcile

>Trilingual flippantly calling his unethical advice being “a

>little too hot under the collar.”

>

>Clearly, a person in Trilingual's position of an expert on

>Brazil coaching readers on this board to intentionally lie to

>Brazilian officials and falsely accuse innocent immigrant

>officers of soliciting bribes cannot logically be described as

>“a little too hot under the collar.” How can we ever believe

>Trilingual in the future?

>

>Trilingual even furnished some addresses and telephone numbers

>for other Brazilian agencies where false reports may be

>lodged. He further suggested going to the newspapers and

>making the same false allegations against innocent Brazilian

>immigration officers.

>

>His "apology" was disingenuous because it was immediately

>followed by a hypothetical scenario of attaching R$100,00

>reais to your passport when you go through Brazilian

>immigration to assure you will get your full 90-days upon

>entry into Brazil.

>

>This board is an excellent warehouse of information for those

>wishing to visit Brazil. That warehouse was severely

>tarnished by the ludicrous advice posted by Trilingual.

>

>He should “lay low” and hope that no one, of the many people

>he previously and unjustifyably attacked on this board,

>decides to furnish his postings to the Brazilian authorities.

>

>

>If that happens, Trilingual will become a lot more than “a

>little hot under the collar” while he is brought before the

>Brazilian authorities to explain his “advice” to them.

>

>Trilingual’s true colors came through with his mean and cruel

>advice. There is no question that an innocent Brazilian

>immigration officer could have his job in jeopardy if someone

>were to follow the advice instigated and suggested by

>Trilingual.

>

>One odd thing is the hypocrisy of Trilingual's advice. He

>claims that he has a "love of Brazil.” However, his love

>certainly doesn’t include caring about destroying innocent

>Brazilian workers who do not do what Trilingual wants.

>

>I realize this message sounds harsh. However, the gravity of

>what Trilingual wrote cannot merely by brushed away with an

>“apology” that he obviously did not mean.

>

 

 

 

WE DO NOT NEED ANYMORE bitchy sessions at this particular forum. We need what the others posted.

 

You don't know Tri's feelings! I don't either, but I do know that his apology was indeed sufficient!

 

Doug had a concern. He posted it. Others reacted and responded to it, not to Trilingual's apology. It would have been wonderful if you'd responded to the initial thread. AXIOM

[+ Axiom2001]

Apparently you have not read the newly-revised guidelines established by Daddy a few weeks ago. Remember this entire site was down for almost three weeks for various and sundry reasons.

 

We've lost some great posters due to the attack which you wrote before I decided to write my timely message!

 

My suggestion is: disagree but do not call names or label people based on your own biases. That's not the purpose of this forum or the site either.

[taylorky]

>Apparently you have not read the newly-revised guidelines

>established by Daddy a few weeks ago. Remember this entire

>site was down for almost three weeks for various and sundry

>reasons.

>

>We've lost some great posters due to the attack which you

>wrote before I decided to write my timely message!

>

>My suggestion is: disagree but do not call names or label

>people based on your own biases. That's not the purpose of

>this forum or the site either.

 

 

he IS a sexual tourist...and he did offer the suggestion to not only break the law of his host country by filing a FALSE criminal complaint against an agent of said country,but possibly cost the agent his job.

 

i am and i am confident most decent people do not find anything GREAT about people that not only sexually exploit and molest the poor and unprotected people of other countries....but actually brag about it and conspire with others to continue that rape of a people.

 

you can be his apoligist all you want, but in my opinion there is a special place in hell for people like him.

[Doug69]

>Apparently you have not read the newly-revised guidelines

>established by Daddy a few weeks ago. Remember this entire

>site was down for almost three weeks for various and sundry

>reasons.

 

Apparently, between: (a) someone recommending that tourists to Brazil falsely accuse Brazilians of bribery and destroy their lives and (b) someone who expresses disagreement with that recommendation, you chose (b) as the more serious offense for you to attack. That says a lot about your character - a lot.

 

>We've lost some great posters due to the attack which you

>wrote before I decided to write my timely message!

 

Really? Who are these great, profound posters who left? And how great can they really be if they run away at the first sign of disagreement with their choices and views. That sounds like behavior of fragile, prissy, petulant 8 year-old girls to me - not profound thinkers whose writings are to be cherished.

 

>My suggestion is: disagree but do not call names or label

>people based on your own biases. That's not the purpose of

>this forum or the site either.

 

Do you really need me to post the countless posts of yours where you called people all kinds of names, or will you admit the truth without my having to do that?

 

Next time you go to lecture someone on the evils of name-calling, shouldn't you first repent for all the name-calling you've done?

[stanzip]

>Apparently you have not read the newly-revised guidelines

>established by Daddy a few weeks ago. Remember this entire

>site was down for almost three weeks for various and sundry

>reasons.

>

>We've lost some great posters due to the attack which you

>wrote before I decided to write my timely message!

>

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I have made only three other postings to this board since I joined in October of 2003. My first post was made long after the board was shut down and I do not believe that my recent three posts condemning intentionally breaking the law had anything to do with this board losing “some great posters."

 

I made no attack against anyone; I made an attack against the immoral and unlawful advice given on this open board by Trilingual who is venerated as a knowledgeable person about Brazil. You, yourself, should be appalled at his advice and alleged apology. I believe the owners of this board are not happy with that advice posted by Trilingual.

 

I posted what any HONEST person should have posted if they were to read the illegal and hurtful advice Trilingual offered as a solution to getting a full 90-day visit to Brazil.

 

Clearly, Trilingual advised readers of this board to FALSELY ACCUSE Brazilian immigration officers of asking for a bribe unless a full 90-days is allowed upon entry into Brazil.

 

There is no question if readers followed Trilingual's advice, the reader AND the Brazilian immigration officers falsely charged would be in a lot of hot water.

 

If you go back and read Trilingual's "apology,” you will see that his disingenuous apology was followed by a hypothetical attachment of R$50 or R$100 to an immigration slip which he bets will get you your 90-days.

 

Before you post another "timely message,” please make sure that you have your facts correct. If you think it through, you SHOULD be appalled at Trilingual's advice. The fact that you are not, says a lot about your response and your values.

 

It is admirable to show loyalty to a friend and authority figure. However, if that same person advocated INTENTIONALLY breaking the law which could get not only you into trouble and the INNOCENT PERSON ACCUSED into trouble, would loyalty be appropriate?

 

Values speak a great deal about individuals. The values of honest people on this board were besmirched by Trilingual's advice. Trilingual knew better than to offer such terrible advice. Trilingual must now ask, how can he un-ring a bell?

[stanzip]

I cannot tell from Axiom's post whom he is blaming; Doug or me.

 

In either case, at the time the new rules for this site were written, I do not believe the owners of this board had in mind the possibility that a former moderator would intentionally and knowingly post unlawful advice on their public bulletin board.

 

As I previously implied, if the Brazilian authorities got copies of Trilingual's writings, along with his true name and history of being in Brazil over many years, Trilingual would have a lot of answering to do. I doubt whether the Brazilian authorities would classify our protests as “attacks.”

 

Unlawful and immoral advice should always be challenged and/or attacked. Those who find the protests unwarranted only appear to condone what was said and encouraged.

[taylorky]

he's making an effort to blame me for trilinguls lack of honesty and fairplay.sad....truly truly sad.

[trilingual]

Well, I see that the M4M wrecking crew is at it again! Quelle surprise! x(

 

I acknowledged that I gave some bad advice, but somehow you freaks just can't let go of it, can you? Even though it's probably the ONLY piece of bad advice I've given in the entire existence of Escorts South.

 

As for my morality, and advocating things that are illegal, you fucking hypocrites need to take a good long look at yourselves in the mirror (if they haven't all broken when the reflection of your ugly mugs appears in them) because the last time I noticed the vast majority of you are Americans who ACTUALLY commit a crime every time you hire a male prostitute in the U.S., or cross a state line in the company of one, or travel to another state to get it on with one.

 

Bald-faced lying is also a common denominator among what's left on this site: as an example, Dougie falsely said Axxiom has continuously called other people ugly names. I've watched M4M and Axxiom's postings for years and have NEVER seen him call another poster an ugly name. It's just not what Axxiom's about. But that doesn't stop someone like the Dougster, who dishes out filth and disinformation on a non-stop basis! It's like watching the outflow of an unregulated chemical plant polluting a pristine stream!

 

Anyway, feel free to continue wallowing in your own filth, guys. Most of us have found nicer places to hang out. The management of M4M knows my views about allowing you creeps to take over their forums and sabotage their site. If they're willing to tolerate you, that's their decision. I'm not quite sure what they think is the value of hosting a forum for a bunch of sociopaths, but hey, it's their site. And pretty soon all that will be left on the site will be the mental cases. . . Then they can just change the name to Sociopaths-R-Us so all the other warped minds can sign up! Poor HooBoy must be spinning in his grave! Meanwhile, "adeus" and "adios." And have a good time when you finally get taken on the famous one-way favela tour if any of you slimeballs ACTUALLY is foolish enough to show up in Brazil and try your shit here! }(