Treating Escorts Like Whores, Treating Clients Like Wallets

[Guest Viewmaster]

No, I'm not advocating either one. They are complaints that I've picked up on here. Escorts don't want to be treated like whores, and clients don't want to be treated like loosers - just another quick roll for money. Both sides say they want to feel respected, and the reverse, they don't want to feel disrespected.

 

Fair enough. But feeling respected or disrepected are really conclusions that are reached after certain behaviors are experienced. That is what I want to know from both clients and escorts: What specific behaviors make you feel respected, and what specific behaviors make you feel disrepected?

[mmk]

Unfortunately, you are going to get the bad apples in both groups. From a clients perspective, I think that clients want escorts to be very honest and open and just to say exactly what they will and will not do. Unfortunately, I think that even when an escort says that they "do not kiss" or "do not rim", etc, that clients sometimes think, "well, with enough money they will". (Unfortunatley, that is the same kind of thnking that many gay

men (myself included) think about some straight men. You know, the old "I can convert them for a night" way of thinking.)

As clients, we need to realize and respect the limits of an escort. Would any clients out there ever try to get there doctor, dentist,etc to lower their fees? I thnk not. With the effort that we, as clients, go to to get in touch with escorts why would you-the client- just totally disrespect the escort and not even show. I do think that those are the two things that escorts would like from clients - respect their limits and respect the fees. Basically, respect them as people.

Now on to the escorts. I want an escort to be as brutally open and honest with me as they can. For an escort to hold back somethng and then to reveal it at the meeting is very wrong. (by this I mean if an escort holds back services they will perform a la carte that are not part of their fee.) Also, as a client, if you, the escort will be late and /or not able to show. A simple phone call, email, etc is all that is required. (That last statement can also go towards clients as well.) Sometimes life takes over and plans that are made sometimes need to be broken. Their is no need to waste time or energy badmouthing someone if they cancel once. Life is too short to be bothered being that petty. Now if either a client or escort continually cancel on you, that is a different matter. I thnk that the other thing that all clients AND escorts should read is the email post that Talvin Delmachio posted about cleanliness. If you, as a client cannot make sure that you are clean in every way shape and form, then you are a pig and should be blown off by your potential escort. The same can be said for escorts. If you arrive at a clients house and need to freshen up, please say so. Seeing a nicely built man come out of your bathroom in nothing but a towel can be very erotic. Also showering with someone can be even more erotic (If you have never showered with anyone, do yourself a favor and do it.)

Now, before people get angry over what I have to say, I feel that what I have said only applies to 15% of the escorts and 15% of clients. (If you do get offended by what I say then you know what percentage you fall in.) For the most part, I feel that 85% of the clients and escorts are on the up and up, unfortunately, sometimes people from the 85% meet up with the 15%. Sorry for being so long winded. I am getting off the soapbox now so somebody can now take my place.

[Guest ItalianLover]

I've had very few encounters with escorts , and i admit I've been blessed.

 

Though , this guy, that will remain nameless , and supposedly "cream of the crop" , behaved like a disrespectful ass ! Lying in bed , saying "I'm tired" , and "make dinner, while i rest for a while" , and "farting" while i was massaging should go under the category for "no repeat"

 

Instead , someone that e-mails after the date , thanking for a wonderful dinner , or a wonderful nite together definitely is in the category of being respectful and to be respected .

 

I saw a thread on the "Deli" regarding "Tony dancer aka Antonio perdomo" , and i don't think i could find a better example of someone who treated me like a friend , a companion and a lover. ( for the latino lover , a MUST)

 

Well, that's my bit of advice

 

ItalianLover

[BewareofNick]

I had an escort friend once who had nothing but contempt for his clients. He advertised as a 'top only', into being serviced and greek active. That was it, no kissing no touching, he wouldn't even jack a client off. He claimed to be bi, more into women than men and that he was in it only for the money. He was never rude to clients, at least to their face, but in general, he felt he was superior to them.

 

I asked him one time why he felt this way and he said, "I am what every fag dreams about: a hot blond haired white boy with an awesome body and a big dick. I am so hot that the only way they could get someone like me is to pay for it!"

 

(Completely missing the point that I used to service him every now and then when his gf wouldn't put out, but I digress..)

 

I asked him if this gave him a feeling of superiority and he kinds smirked and said "Yes, of course it does. I am better than a bunch of fags" (no offense to me, natch)

 

So I shot back with this: "I always thought that a whore was considered one of the lowest forms of life. Anyone with the right cash can have your cock. That's not very superior, makes you seem kind of sleazy that you would have sex with anyone for the right price."

 

Naturally, I got told to fuck off, but he did come to me about two weeks later and apologized and said that I was right. He started treating his clients better and even got a sugar daddy as a result of it.

 

 

It's all about respect. Clients should treat escorts with respect and escort should treat clients the same. In the end, no one is truly better than anyone else, it's just a matter of your perspective.

[Guest Charon]

Is being a whore bad?

 

ANd maybe I want to be treated like a bifold, or even a trifold? Maybe I want to be snapped open and have my silver taken, have fingers run over my crisp green?

 

You never know...

[Talvin DeMachio]

>thnk that the other thing

>that all clients AND escorts

>should read is the email

>post that Talvin Delmachio posted

>about cleanliness. If you,

>as a client cannot make

>sure that you are clean

>in every way shape and

>form, then you are a

>pig and should be blown

>off by your potential escort.

> The same can be

>said for escorts.

 

And I will post it here for all to read if they cannot find it:

I edited the newsletter and cut straight to the point

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Newsletter as of Sunday July 15, 2k1 4:25pm EST

Subject: A newsletter worth reading all the way through and SHITTY HOLES and Bad Breath!!

 

 

Hello everyone,

 

 

Now what is up with the subject line in this newsletter you might ask. Well there is something I need to address with

people if the make the decision to hire me for my services. Hell this is even for people who don't even hire me!

Can we talk about Hygenien for a second please. Now when someone hires me. I lay everything flat out on the table with that

person. I treat all clients the same as far as what I expect out of them and what they can expect out of me. I have learned

to do this over the time of escorting. When I first started escorting a few years ago I ran into problems which prevented me from performing at 100% with some people. Let me explain some of this to some of you who have never hired me before.

 

Since my rates are slightly higher than most escorts it puts me at a level of which mostly business and people of the upper crust

(money wise) who hire me. And for the most part these people are clean inside and out. However, there are a couple of less than

1% who forget. So what I have done to prevent these things from happening is to tell people what I expect out of them before

we commit to an appointment. I am going to tell you all what I tell everyone. I tell my clients that I DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE

FOLLOWING: (And please do not take offense to what I have to say. It's better to be honest up front) Pissing, Scat, S&M and absolutely NO BARE BACKING DURING INTERCOURSE! I love kissing (absolutely love it) HOWEVER, If your a smoker (I don't smoke) or quite frankly if a persons breath is not so tasty...I ALWAYS request that they be minty fresh like I am going to be. These are very simple and easy things to remember. Also if your a bottom I expect you to be clean.

 

Now in saying that. I know that for bottoms an ass is an ass and you cannot be squeaky clean up there. But let me tell you. I have had some terrible experiences. What I am about to mention has happened to me a few times. I will be in the middle of fucking a client and then all of a sudden an aroma over takes me that is not very pleasant. I look down and what do I find? Shit! All over my lower abs and all over the towel and the rest of my lower section. Immediatley my dick goes way down to nothing. I pull out and tell the client they are not clean and Usually 9 times out of 10 the answer that I get is: "Well Talvin, I hope your still going to top me because that is what I am here for is to get fucked by you." WHAT IN THE HELL ARE THEY THINKING! I am not going to put my dick in some ones shitty

hole. And furthermore it has ruined the mood of even fucking that person for the rest of the session. Why would a person come over not clean? I think for the bottom it would be quite embarrassing not to clean themselves out and make sure they don't have CHUNKS coming out of their ass.

Yes I mean CHUNKS people not just a little...but A LOT! And then they want me to stick my dick back in their hole?? What in the hell are they thinking? As StarKist would say "Sorry Charlie"

 

Now on to breath. Who on here loves to kiss? I know I love to kiss and it's like one of my biggest turn ons. One thing I always address to my clients is that they have minty breath when they come to see me. Now I have nothing against smokers. Hell some of my good friends smoke. However, I do not like to kiss someone who has smokers breath. For a non smoker it's a big turn off and for me if I am kissing someone and can taste a cigarette or anything else nasty. Well my dick is not going anywhere. I also do not like the taste of alcohol on someone. I may sound picky...but I believe in being honest. If you want me to be turned on...be fresh is all I have to say. I have had repeat clients of mine that I have never had problems with before....all of a sudden will come over with smokers breath or bad tasting breath. I will address the issue right then and their and I will ask them politely if they will wash out (hell I will even do it with them to make that person feel more comfortable.) I always have with me mouth wash in my back pack when I travel. All's I request is be fresh tasting and smelling all over and don't have chunks coming out of certain openings. I know some of you may get a laugh out of this...but it does happen and I am sure I am not the only one that this has happened to. I am sure most of you when your with a partner or anyone you would not want any of these things to happen to you. I am sure if someone did anything like this to you...your dick would not be at attention! Unless of course your into that sort of thing. EWWWWW!!!!

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It's better to be up front and honest before you meet. That is my motto!!

 

Talvin

[Talvin DeMachio]

>Though , this guy, that will

>remain nameless , and supposedly

>"cream of the crop" ,

>behaved like a disrespectful ass

>! Lying in bed ,

>saying "I'm tired" , and

>"make dinner, while i rest

>for a while" , and

>"farting" while i was massaging

>should go under the category

>for "no repeat"

 

 

FARTING?!!!! You should have thrown his ass out. That is totally uncalled for and incredibly disrespectful.

 

Talvin

>

[Guest ItalianLover]

Talvin ? you are right , i know i should have ended the date right there , but as said i'm pretty new and since im still learning i did not .

 

Remember not everyone in the business is nice and caring as you are , and if i'd tell you who my "escort" was , you'd probably drop from the chair.

 

Well, dear , i guess i'll have to arrange a date with you some day soon to "raise the bar"

 

God bless , ItalianLover

[BgMstr4u]

"I always thought that a whore was considered one of the lowest forms of life. Anyone with the right cash can have your cock. That's not very superior, makes you seem kind of sleazy that you would have sex with anyone for the right price."

 

I understand the context of this remark and the rebuke that this client gave to his escort in that context. But this statement is exactly the point of this exchange.

 

Are whores in fact one of the lowest forms of life? How many of us have done something which has demanded that we "put out" professionally for others when the bottom line was money, or its equivalent -- personal advancement? The line between sex and other professional activities is sometimes thinner than we might think.

 

I for one respect a good sex worker. A guy who is honest, works to make himself attractive and skilled and the experience pleasant, even transcendent, for a client, demands my respect and sometimes my admiration. It can be hard work. Not every client is a delight. Some of us are not terrifically good looking. Some of us are not especially interesting in our activities or conversation. Some of us are emotionally needy. Some of us are not especially generous, either because we are not affluent, or because we do not have a giving nature. We may NEED an escort.

 

I do not think that a person who is willing to be entertaining, attractive, personable, flattering and intimate with less-than-perfect strangers in situations that range from unknown to potentially risky is the lowest form of life. I think such a person has chosen a challenging occupation which requires exceptional skill and intelligence. The escort who does not put his best into it, or who "uses" his clients, should not elicit respect, but there are such persons in many walks of life. Those escorts who do a great job are a delight and I for one think that many of them are somewhat more evolved than some other possible life forms.

[Guest VanBCGuy]

Integrity has no need of rules.

 

- Albert Camus (1913-1960)

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

>A guy who is honest, works to make himself attractive and skilled and the experience pleasant, even transcendent, for a client, demands my respect and sometimes my admiration. It can be hard work. Not every client is a delight. Some of us are not terrifically good looking. Some of us are not especially interesting in our activities or conversation. Some of us are emotionally needy. Some of us are not especially generous, either because we are not affluent, or because we do not have a giving nature. We may NEED an escort.<

 

This would serve as a fine mantra for many clients. Thanks for the respect.

[mmk]

(Sorry Talvin, I did not mean to spell your name incorrectly when mentioning your email in my post. Oops!)

I do not thnk that there is anything wrong with being a whore every now and then. We all have been one in the past and will be in the future - no one can deny this.(And if you think about it, there are many types of whore's, such as a label whore, cosmetic whore, cologne whore, etc) And if you are going to be a whore, at least be a good one. No one likes a bad lousy whore.

[CT Dick]

Colors?

 

Ok, Nick, how did you get your posting so colorful?

 

Dick

[Talvin DeMachio]

>(Sorry Talvin, I did not mean

>to spell your name incorrectly

>when mentioning your email in

>my post. Oops!)

>I do not thnk that there

>is anything wrong with being

>a whore every now and

>then. We all have

>been one in the past

>and will be in the

>future - no one can

>deny this.(And if you think

>about it, there are many

>types of whore's, such as

>a label whore, cosmetic whore,

>cologne whore, etc) And if

>you are going to be

>a whore, at least be

>a good one. No

>one likes a bad lousy

>whore.

 

Don't worry about apologizing. It's no big deal. But for the record I am going to say this. I LOVE BEING A WHORE!!!! I LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT!!! I love bringing smiles to peoples faces and making people happy!!! SEX IS A WONDERFUL THING SO LET'S CELEBRATE!!!

 

Big hugs to all!

 

Talvin

 

Talvin DeMachio

http://www.talvindemachio.com

[Guest bottomboykk]

Talvin,

 

The more I read your postings, the more I know I've got to hire you and SOON! You not only are one of the hottest guys I've ever seen (love the Playgirl layout, although I could've done without the "quotes" from you about loving women: yuck!;-)), but you come across as such a cool guy with a great sense of humor. I'm gonna start saving my pennies so I can hire you before long.

[BewareofNick]

>"I always thought that a whore

>was considered one of the

>lowest forms of life. Anyone

>with the right cash can

>have your cock. That's not

>very superior, makes you seem

>kind of sleazy that you

>would have sex with anyone

>for the right price."

>

>I understand the context of this

>remark and the rebuke that

>this client gave to his

>escort in that context.

>But this statement is exactly

>the point of this exchange.

 

Let me clarify: I was never a client of his. The servicing I did of him was when his gf was on the rag and wouldn't put out. He was generally drunk at the time too.

 

>

>Are whores in fact one of

>the lowest forms of life?

 

As a general rule, no. Like you, I respect sex workers and think they are kinda cool. To paraphrase Talvin, I love me a good whore :0)

[BewareofNick]

RE: Colors?

 

Dick, if you click the HTML reference link on the "Compose your message" page, it should tell you what you want to know

[Talvin DeMachio]

>Talvin,

>

>The more I read your postings,

>the more I know I've

>got to hire you and

>SOON! You not only are

>one of the hottest guys

>I've ever seen (love the

>Playgirl layout, although I could've

>done without the "quotes" from

>you about loving women: yuck!;-)),

 

 

 

Trust me. I could have done without the quotes too. Gross me out totally. I wonder who spoke for me?

 

Talvin

[Guest BenDover]

Respect the dignity of each human, whether client or escort. Life is to short to spend it with jerks on either side of the coin.

 

I am in complete awe of the joy and ecstacy that has been given me by the escorts with whom I have engaged. Sometimes, I just want to tell them, "You must feel so wonderful about what you do for a living. Look how incredibly happy you have made me. It must feel so life-affirming to have given such pleasure."

 

What other job can you think of that accomplishes this?

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

Bowing out of this one, I will look on

[CT Dick]

RE: Colors?

 

I think I'm having an acid flashback. Groovy!

 

Dick