Do all Eastern Europeans like to call themselves bisexual?

[Guest]

It's funny that just about every model Aaron puts on his website from Eastern Europe describes himself as bisexual. I remember having the same experience in my Eastern European travels. Maybe it's just an early stage of a person's and/or a society's acceptance of gay relationships. I guess it's their way of saying "I can have gay sex now, but I'll marry when the time comes, because I'm in control of my sexuality, and I can pick anything I choose."

I've met a few people through the years who used to describe themselves as bi, and now call themselves gay. Never, ever, however, have I met anyone who previously described himself as gay, and later found out he was bi...

[HooBoy]

Well, speaking for myself, since I first went into puberty, I just thought sex was sex, it didn't matter.

 

I have had girlfriends galore, I was married for 10 years to a wonderful woman whom I still love, I have have had 3 major love affairs with guys who, all but one, I am still in contact with.

 

Recently, in London, during one of my infamous orgies, there was this beautiful woman who all the boys were ignoring, so I decided I would just eat her pussy. Unfortunately, I forgot I had a pair of $300 Oliver Peoples shades on and they were crushed in her vagina.

 

And you think you have problems. <rimshot okay?>

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The above written as a regular guy, not the owner of a website and has no official meaning, just unofficial BS.)

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--garbo the hoo

[Guest Tristan]

Unicorn, I haven't been to Eastern Europe, except the Soviet Union long ago, but it's my understanding that Europeans views sexuality very differently from Americans. Being gay or bisexual is no big deal there. A lot of the guys who identify as bisexual do have gfs or date women, and the women don't seem to care. Another thing I've heard is that it's ok to admit to being a top, but not a bottom. I guess being a top implies that you are still really "masculine" and are just experimenting. Now if anyone knows better from first-hand recent experience, please correct me if I've I'm wrong.

 

One last thought. I have a difficult time believing those Bel Ami models who claim to be bisexual. They are just so into guys in the Bel Ami flicks. Most of the Bel Ami models are from the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania etc.

[Guest houseboy]

I know this is just going to be another invitation to controversy, but can we please stop throwing Eastern and Western Europe into the same pool? Being a Western European myself (albeit in long-term exile), I would like to remind people that other than inhabiting the same continent and speaking - for the most part - languages coming from the same Indo-Aryan roots, Eastern and Western Europe have fairly little in common.

 

It seems to me that recently, "European" in the United States has become to mean "Eastern European" in many people's conception (probably due to the high influx of people from Eastern Europe in the last decade or so), much to the chagrin of most people hailing from countries west of the old Iron Curtain.

 

Sure, those Czech, Russian, and Hungarian guys do have their charm, but I wager that their proclaimed bisexuality is something that you will not find that easily among your average French, Dutch, or British guys.

 

Sean Lespagnol - as West as can be

Chicago, IL

http://www.seanlespagnol.com

 

"Big and tasty - every day!"

[marc anthony]

>

>One last thought. I have a difficult time believing those Bel

>Ami models who claim to be bisexual. They are just so into

>guys in the Bel Ami flicks. Most of the Bel Ami models are

>from the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania etc.

 

Except for the very annoying fact that almost NONE of them are ever hard when they are getting fucked.

[Guest Tristan]

Sean, you have a good point. In my reply, I specified Eastern Europeans, but then used Europeans after that. I was referring specificly to Eastern Europeans in addressing the issue of bisexuality. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the clarification.

[Guest Tristan]

That's a good point, but they really seem to be very very into sex with other guys. I have a tough time believing that models like Johan Paulik or Lucas Ridgeston are not gay. Further, some of the couplings in the Bel Ami flicks are so good and seem so natural, it's really hard to imagine that str8 or bi guys could get so into each other, no matter how much you pay them. With that said, do you think most of them are bisexual, or do you believe most of them are gay for pay?

[AaronScottDC]

>Except for the very annoying fact that almost NONE of them are

>ever hard when they are getting fucked.

 

I agree with you, Marc. Its the one thing that I really hate about Bel Ami vids. I don't understand how someone can get fucked by those hot, hung studs and not be hard. Unless the filming is done in suck a way as to make it totally impossible for the bottom to get into the scene. I know that in order to really shoot a fuck scene, the top needs to be good and hard. So, maybe the directors just wait until the top is in the mood and ready to go, regardless of whether the bottom is at all into it. They can just make the appropriate faces and moans and it looks somewhat realistic, but the top can't fake a woody. In any event, the soft-dicked-bottom-bois just ruin the whole thing for me.

 

Aaron Scott DC

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[Guest HiringAgain]

Veering off to a different part of the continent . . .

 

When I first went to Europe in 1982, I read in the Spartacus entries for many countries, especially in the south, that most men are "naturally bisexual."

 

One of my first flirtations was in Sagres, in southern Portugal, where it's hot and sunny and sexual vibes are everywhere. It was a little town, and with my fellow youth-hostelers I would sit in the evenings at a cafe drinking beer while the local boys buzzed us on their motorbikes.

 

Eventually we would all move into a bar. The boys would park, come and drink, and each would try to find a traveler to pair off with. I fixed on one in particular, an olive-skinned beautiful man with huge brown eyes, full lips, and an ass I still can imagine my tongue buried in.

 

We cruised for 2 nights (of the 3 I had planned for the town). Ready to pounce on the 3rd night, ready to test the limits of that boy's natural bisexuality, I instead found myself being cruised and sexed up by a cute New Zealander with curly blond hair and blue eyes.

 

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

Nostalgically,

K

[Guest]

>One last thought. I have a difficult time believing those Bel

>Ami models who claim to be bisexual. They are just so into

>guys in the Bel Ami flicks. Most of the Bel Ami models are

>from the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania etc.

 

 

I met up with two Bel Ami models when I was in Prague. Both claimed to be bisexual, and neither would let himself be fucked or fuck.

[Karl-G]

I think it is not just Eastern Europe. In talking with dancers in Montreal, nearly all reply that they are bisexual. Further conversation describes how they have at times a boy friend and at times a girl friend and they enjoy sex with both. I think Marc A. has described hiring boys for escorting who allowed kissing and oral, but not anal. Some of the dancers are married to women; Chris has been most open about it, but several others have told me so also. Often, the older ones describe long term relationships with both at various times. In talking with escorts in Montreal, most claim to be bisexual and enjoy sex with both guys and girls. It seems to be as Hooboy describes above: they are not hung up on a polarized position and simply find it natural and enjoyable to have sex. It seems to be the view of young men in Montreal, at least escorts and dancers and those who work on the live-sex video sites; I do not know if it is true for young men in general in Montreal or Quebec or Canada. Does anyone know of any research or surveys on this? But I agree with another poster who says this is not true of France and Germany and Western Europe. I am not sure why not.

 

On the other topic of Belami, at first I thought the models really enjoyed the sex with each other; but after seeing several of the Personal Trainer videos and a couple of Belami videos which show behind-the-scenes action, it now seems to me that almost every Belami sex encounter is a very carefully staged performance by gays-for-pay. None of it looks spontaneous. Guys are willing to do it, and allow other guys to watch them do it, but there is no sense, at least to me, that they would do this on their own if they were not paid. The fact that Duroy films each episode several times, directing movements and facial expressions from off-screen, and then splices pieces together also leads to this view. Sometimes the editing is not careful, and you see switches in pillows, clothing, shoes, branches outdoors, etc.

[Guest Tristan]

All porn is staged. IMO George Duroy is one of the best directors in the business. His first major video, Accidental Lovers, which was released in 1993 as Falcon International 001 was ground breaking. The models were the best looking twinks around, the quality of the filming was superior to the competition, and staged or not, the actors seemed much more natural, and the interaction between the models less forced, than American made twink films.

 

Let's give credit where credit is due. I would prefer that the models were gay. Yes, the bottoms are often limp while being topped. And the voiceover with sex sounds can be annoying. Despite all this, and whether they are gay, bi, or gay for pay does not detract from George Duroy's accomplishments. His films were a major contribution toward raising the standards for gay porn. I say "were" because sadly the more recent videos have not measured up to the standards of the earlier ones.

[buckguy]

Having grown up with Eastern Europeans and having traveled there in the past, I have always found this "bisexual" business to be silly. To some extent, it's been inflicted on us by George Duroy and his imitators and it totally neglects that most of these countries are sexually very conservative. It's much like the bullshit that's pedaled about bisexuality and Thai men (often propogated by guys here who've never been off the Silom-Surawong-Babylon axis).

 

People who do porn or sex work are not a random sample of anything and don't speak to a broader culture. In a place where money is tight, there are going to be "straight" guys who will call themselves bi or gay for pay, often limiting themselves to an "inserter" role. And bi guys who are willing to act out the gay side of their sexuality for money.

 

Calling yourself bi is probably a way to protect your identity and self-esteem in a sexually repressive society, so it's not surprising that it's common among East Eurpopeans who advertise to a Western audience. In addition, the propaganda spread by Duroy & Co probably makes it normative for a smart entrepeneur like Aaron to follow along. Who knows what the "real" sexuality of the guys who pose for him may be. It's all about fantasy anyway.