When you want escorts to go away...

[Guest goinggoinggone]

What gives? If an escort shows up, and you ask him to leave-and he won't(until he's paid in full) what can one do...call the police? Is the source of the ad (NEXT magazine) responsible?

[Guest goinggoinggone]

What gives? If an escort shows up, and you ask him to leave-and he won't(until he's paid in full) what can one do...call the police? Is the source of the ad (NEXT magazine) responsible?

[Guest Merlin]

Calling the police, or threatening to, or pretending to will probably work if he is not threatening violence. But of course what you agreed to do was illegal, so the police may create additional problems. If you do not fear violence, you can probably wait him out. He says he wont leave without being paid, but eventually he will. If he appears violent, paying him all or part of the agreed amount is the best way out.

[Guest Merlin]

Calling the police, or threatening to, or pretending to will probably work if he is not threatening violence. But of course what you agreed to do was illegal, so the police may create additional problems. If you do not fear violence, you can probably wait him out. He says he wont leave without being paid, but eventually he will. If he appears violent, paying him all or part of the agreed amount is the best way out.

[Guest zoom]

i usually tell the guy i am not interested because xxxx... depending on his reply i will give him 10. - 20. for his time, gas whatever. if he creates problems i DO call the police. i have had the police arrive and explained the situation twice. once they actually arrested the escort on some type of charge unrelated to escorting (as escorting it self is not illegal i have no problems telling the police i hired an escort. the second time they simply escorted the guy to his car. i refuse to be intimadated by an asshole in my own home. if he threatens to hurt me, i will take that chance. i am not going to run.

 

also, i do a lot of checking on who the escort actually is prior to arrival. therefore if the escort is named "james" and his real name is "william" i let him know that i know who he is where he really lives and his real (not cell) number. that usually gets them moving pretty quick.

 

i should point out that i have only had 4 or 5 times that i needed to kick an escort out in nearly 20 years of hiring. not bad odds.

[Guest zoom]

i usually tell the guy i am not interested because xxxx... depending on his reply i will give him 10. - 20. for his time, gas whatever. if he creates problems i DO call the police. i have had the police arrive and explained the situation twice. once they actually arrested the escort on some type of charge unrelated to escorting (as escorting it self is not illegal i have no problems telling the police i hired an escort. the second time they simply escorted the guy to his car. i refuse to be intimadated by an asshole in my own home. if he threatens to hurt me, i will take that chance. i am not going to run.

 

also, i do a lot of checking on who the escort actually is prior to arrival. therefore if the escort is named "james" and his real name is "william" i let him know that i know who he is where he really lives and his real (not cell) number. that usually gets them moving pretty quick.

 

i should point out that i have only had 4 or 5 times that i needed to kick an escort out in nearly 20 years of hiring. not bad odds.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

From An Escort Perspective

 

Neither of you provided substantial information to accurately gauge what may have, much less, should have happened.

 

One of the common pieces of advice given by a number of clients on this site is to only hire escorts with a decent number of what appear to be genuine reviews or who have been reviewed by clients with who you share a similar taste, prediliction, etc.

 

The better advice, irrespective of what may have happened, is to take care before you invite the young man over. However, if you came to my dining establishment, ordered a steak, and it came back medium rare and not medium well, your honorable alternative would be to ask that it be fully cooked. If you ordered it medium rare and it came back well done, then you could request it be sent back and, given your circumstances, might even decline to wait as you are pressed for time. However, under the first circumstance and certain aspects of the second one, you could neither legally nor honorably simply walk out of my establishment and say, sorry, I have changed my mind.

 

I have to admit that personally if the escort used photographs which are neither accurate nor recent or only provided one such image, I would tend to agree that a client would be entitled to decline the session. However, again, in a spirit of honor and reasonableness, were I client I would ask the escort: can you send me more pictures, are you pictures recent, etc. I would also tell the escort I had my doubts for XYZ reasons and if I were not comfortable, then I would not go through with the session. In this regard, the escort could decline to show up at your home.

 

Clients need to keep in mind that an escort cannot be at two places at the same time. Friday, a client who lives an hour's drive from my home (north of Santa Barbara), paged me wanting to know if I would drive there, I said at such short notice, I would not. This client (someone I had never spoken with before), asked if I would see him at my home. I said certainly and we agreed he would arrive at 7:30 p.m.

 

Twenty minutes later, another new prospect paged wanting to know if I was available at 8 p.m., I said I had a client schedule but would be available the next day. This gentlemen replied it was his birthday and he wanted the session that evening.

 

I gave up the second opportunity because I had made a commitment to the first gentlemen, who never showed.

 

When the escort shows up on your door and insists on being paid, I believe if the client has simply changed his mind, if the escort has accurately represented himself, he is at minimum entitled to a cancellation fee. What that cancellation fee, I cannot say. Personally, I have never found myself in that particular situation.

 

Finally, I would suggest given that NEXT is in the New York area, that cab fare plus (generally $50) would have been appropriate under any but the very worst circumstances, which none of us have any way of knowing as no detail has been provided.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

From An Escort Perspective

 

Neither of you provided substantial information to accurately gauge what may have, much less, should have happened.

 

One of the common pieces of advice given by a number of clients on this site is to only hire escorts with a decent number of what appear to be genuine reviews or who have been reviewed by clients with who you share a similar taste, prediliction, etc.

 

The better advice, irrespective of what may have happened, is to take care before you invite the young man over. However, if you came to my dining establishment, ordered a steak, and it came back medium rare and not medium well, your honorable alternative would be to ask that it be fully cooked. If you ordered it medium rare and it came back well done, then you could request it be sent back and, given your circumstances, might even decline to wait as you are pressed for time. However, under the first circumstance and certain aspects of the second one, you could neither legally nor honorably simply walk out of my establishment and say, sorry, I have changed my mind.

 

I have to admit that personally if the escort used photographs which are neither accurate nor recent or only provided one such image, I would tend to agree that a client would be entitled to decline the session. However, again, in a spirit of honor and reasonableness, were I client I would ask the escort: can you send me more pictures, are you pictures recent, etc. I would also tell the escort I had my doubts for XYZ reasons and if I were not comfortable, then I would not go through with the session. In this regard, the escort could decline to show up at your home.

 

Clients need to keep in mind that an escort cannot be at two places at the same time. Friday, a client who lives an hour's drive from my home (north of Santa Barbara), paged me wanting to know if I would drive there, I said at such short notice, I would not. This client (someone I had never spoken with before), asked if I would see him at my home. I said certainly and we agreed he would arrive at 7:30 p.m.

 

Twenty minutes later, another new prospect paged wanting to know if I was available at 8 p.m., I said I had a client schedule but would be available the next day. This gentlemen replied it was his birthday and he wanted the session that evening.

 

I gave up the second opportunity because I had made a commitment to the first gentlemen, who never showed.

 

When the escort shows up on your door and insists on being paid, I believe if the client has simply changed his mind, if the escort has accurately represented himself, he is at minimum entitled to a cancellation fee. What that cancellation fee, I cannot say. Personally, I have never found myself in that particular situation.

 

Finally, I would suggest given that NEXT is in the New York area, that cab fare plus (generally $50) would have been appropriate under any but the very worst circumstances, which none of us have any way of knowing as no detail has been provided.

[Guest zoom]

RE: From ZOOM

 

>Neither of you provided substantial information to accurately

>gauge what may have, much less, should have happened.

>

We are talking about a specific question, not how to hire an escort.

 

>Finally, I would suggest given that NEXT is in the New York

>area, that cab fare plus (generally $50) would have been

>appropriate under any but the very worst circumstances, which

>none of us have any way of knowing as no detail has been

>provided.

>

I am not in NYC and if I were I stand by the 10. - 20 I MIGHT give an escort. If they have an attitude like you have they get nothing, as I mentioned in my first post. If I don't feel comfortable with the escort I have the SAME right the escort does to say fuck off. The difference is the escort doesn't give me any money for "my expenses or time."

[Guest zoom]

RE: From ZOOM

 

>Neither of you provided substantial information to accurately

>gauge what may have, much less, should have happened.

>

We are talking about a specific question, not how to hire an escort.

 

>Finally, I would suggest given that NEXT is in the New York

>area, that cab fare plus (generally $50) would have been

>appropriate under any but the very worst circumstances, which

>none of us have any way of knowing as no detail has been

>provided.

>

I am not in NYC and if I were I stand by the 10. - 20 I MIGHT give an escort. If they have an attitude like you have they get nothing, as I mentioned in my first post. If I don't feel comfortable with the escort I have the SAME right the escort does to say fuck off. The difference is the escort doesn't give me any money for "my expenses or time."

[Guest Ant415]

RE: From ZOOM

 

Zoom,

 

I dont think Franco has any attitude. I always appreciate what he has to say.

 

As far as what to pay an escort that you do not want to hire upon meeting, it all depends on how the escort sold himself or what photos he showed. If he showed pics that were 5 years old and clearly do not represent him today, you can turn him away and pay nothing. Also, if he does not send any pic, or no face pic, I think he should be declined and no money given. If he does not feel the need to give accurate pics and descriptions before hiring, then he risks getting turned away at the door.

 

If the escort sends accurate pics, including a face pic, and you do not want to continue the date when he arrives, he is owed some money for transportation/parking, etc. $50 seems reasonable.

 

Once I hired a guy based on only his body pics. He would not send his face pic as he said he needed to be discreet. He asked for my face, but I gave the same reply. His profile and body pics (backside including ass) seemed nice, so I proceeded. When I met him, he was ok looking at best... someone that I would not consider good-looking, and his body seemed much skinnier than the pics showed. I proceeded anyway, as I didn't know how to back out, and I didn't want to hurt his feelings. Someone else told me that his pics were enhanced to make him appear more toned.

[Guest Ant415]

RE: From ZOOM

 

Zoom,

 

I dont think Franco has any attitude. I always appreciate what he has to say.

 

As far as what to pay an escort that you do not want to hire upon meeting, it all depends on how the escort sold himself or what photos he showed. If he showed pics that were 5 years old and clearly do not represent him today, you can turn him away and pay nothing. Also, if he does not send any pic, or no face pic, I think he should be declined and no money given. If he does not feel the need to give accurate pics and descriptions before hiring, then he risks getting turned away at the door.

 

If the escort sends accurate pics, including a face pic, and you do not want to continue the date when he arrives, he is owed some money for transportation/parking, etc. $50 seems reasonable.

 

Once I hired a guy based on only his body pics. He would not send his face pic as he said he needed to be discreet. He asked for my face, but I gave the same reply. His profile and body pics (backside including ass) seemed nice, so I proceeded. When I met him, he was ok looking at best... someone that I would not consider good-looking, and his body seemed much skinnier than the pics showed. I proceeded anyway, as I didn't know how to back out, and I didn't want to hurt his feelings. Someone else told me that his pics were enhanced to make him appear more toned.

[Uncle Bill]

RE: From ZOOM

 

You're the one with the attitude, ZOOM. I hope that escorts take note of it and avoid you. It's not only what you say, it's how you say it, and if you can't show respect, I don't know why they should show you any. By the way, Franco is one of the good guys on this board -- not that he needs me to defend him, I just thought I'd acknowledge his contributions (thanks, Franco -- you're not my type, but I like your style).

 

Me? I'm just another Los Angeles john.

[Uncle Bill]

RE: From ZOOM

 

You're the one with the attitude, ZOOM. I hope that escorts take note of it and avoid you. It's not only what you say, it's how you say it, and if you can't show respect, I don't know why they should show you any. By the way, Franco is one of the good guys on this board -- not that he needs me to defend him, I just thought I'd acknowledge his contributions (thanks, Franco -- you're not my type, but I like your style).

 

Me? I'm just another Los Angeles john.

[axebahia]

RE: From An Escort Perspective

 

>The better advice, irrespective of what may have happened, is

>to take care before you invite the young man over. However, if

>you came to my dining establishment, ordered a steak, and it

>came back medium rare and not medium well, your honorable

>alternative would be to ask that it be fully cooked. If you

>ordered it medium rare and it came back well done, then you

>could request it be sent back and, given your circumstances,

>might even decline to wait as you are pressed for time.

>However, under the first circumstance and certain aspects of

>the second one, you could neither legally nor honorably simply

>walk out of my establishment and say, sorry, I have changed my

>mind.

 

The analogy does not work, Franco. It's more like ordering a bottle of wine in a restaurant. When it is opened, it turns out is bad. I send it back, and get a new one. I don't pay for the first. Now, if you are using an agency, they can send you the second escort to your choosing like a second bottle of wine. For independent escorts though, how can the steak be re-cooked and how can the bottle of wine be replaced? I see no reason for a client to pay a cancellation fee when the escort bears no relationship to his pics, or when the escort having advertised versatility refuses either to top or bottom. For me the jury is out about an unclean escort. I'd probably offer them a shower instead or pay a cancellation fee.

 

Given my recent hotel experience recounted elsewhere (my first bad experience of this kind ever), I am interested in the answer to the underlying question. What do you do when there is a dispute. In my case, the ecort threatened to make a scene in the hotel if I did not give in to his extortion. (Now I am wondering if I should have just called hotel seurity and had him thrown out. I am their customer, surely they should be responsible to me not him.) In the end, I agreed to pay partially. He followed me to the bank machine. I gave him part of the sum there, and the rest when I put him in a taxi. Had this occurred in my home rather than in a hotel, I just would have thrown him out. In fact, the experience has me wondering if hiring in hotels shifts to much power to escorts under similar circumstances.

[axebahia]

RE: From An Escort Perspective

 

>The better advice, irrespective of what may have happened, is

>to take care before you invite the young man over. However, if

>you came to my dining establishment, ordered a steak, and it

>came back medium rare and not medium well, your honorable

>alternative would be to ask that it be fully cooked. If you

>ordered it medium rare and it came back well done, then you

>could request it be sent back and, given your circumstances,

>might even decline to wait as you are pressed for time.

>However, under the first circumstance and certain aspects of

>the second one, you could neither legally nor honorably simply

>walk out of my establishment and say, sorry, I have changed my

>mind.

 

The analogy does not work, Franco. It's more like ordering a bottle of wine in a restaurant. When it is opened, it turns out is bad. I send it back, and get a new one. I don't pay for the first. Now, if you are using an agency, they can send you the second escort to your choosing like a second bottle of wine. For independent escorts though, how can the steak be re-cooked and how can the bottle of wine be replaced? I see no reason for a client to pay a cancellation fee when the escort bears no relationship to his pics, or when the escort having advertised versatility refuses either to top or bottom. For me the jury is out about an unclean escort. I'd probably offer them a shower instead or pay a cancellation fee.

 

Given my recent hotel experience recounted elsewhere (my first bad experience of this kind ever), I am interested in the answer to the underlying question. What do you do when there is a dispute. In my case, the ecort threatened to make a scene in the hotel if I did not give in to his extortion. (Now I am wondering if I should have just called hotel seurity and had him thrown out. I am their customer, surely they should be responsible to me not him.) In the end, I agreed to pay partially. He followed me to the bank machine. I gave him part of the sum there, and the rest when I put him in a taxi. Had this occurred in my home rather than in a hotel, I just would have thrown him out. In fact, the experience has me wondering if hiring in hotels shifts to much power to escorts under similar circumstances.

[Flower]

RE: From ZOOM

 

>I am not in NYC and if I were I stand by the 10. - 20 I MIGHT

>give an escort. If they have an attitude like you have they

>get nothing, as I mentioned in my first post. If I don't feel

>comfortable with the escort I have the SAME right the escort

>does to say fuck off. The difference is the escort doesn't

>give me any money for "my expenses or time."

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Chill out Zoom--When I first read your post, I thought there was something funny--like how many NICE people need this kind of advice--it appears to happen to you a lot, and I'd suggest it might be YOU dude and not the escort!!}(

 

I for one have never had the problem--the couple times I have turned away a new escort, it was because he clearly misrepresented something to me, so I explained the problem and said "ba bye" :* Never was a fuss, since he knew I was correct in my reason--one even appologized--but I tried to be nice and not confrontational--try it --it works :+

 

But you sound quite antagonistic and can see why you might not get along with many people including escorts. Personally, I think it isn't too bright to invite a stranger into your home the first time either, but you didn't ask my opinion on that so I won't Shanghai the thread by telling you I think it's not too bright, which seems to go along with your attitude displayed here }(

[Flower]

RE: From ZOOM

 

>I am not in NYC and if I were I stand by the 10. - 20 I MIGHT

>give an escort. If they have an attitude like you have they

>get nothing, as I mentioned in my first post. If I don't feel

>comfortable with the escort I have the SAME right the escort

>does to say fuck off. The difference is the escort doesn't

>give me any money for "my expenses or time."

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]

Chill out Zoom--When I first read your post, I thought there was something funny--like how many NICE people need this kind of advice--it appears to happen to you a lot, and I'd suggest it might be YOU dude and not the escort!!}(

 

I for one have never had the problem--the couple times I have turned away a new escort, it was because he clearly misrepresented something to me, so I explained the problem and said "ba bye" :* Never was a fuss, since he knew I was correct in my reason--one even appologized--but I tried to be nice and not confrontational--try it --it works :+

 

But you sound quite antagonistic and can see why you might not get along with many people including escorts. Personally, I think it isn't too bright to invite a stranger into your home the first time either, but you didn't ask my opinion on that so I won't Shanghai the thread by telling you I think it's not too bright, which seems to go along with your attitude displayed here }(

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Re-Cooked and Re-Corked

 

>>The better advice, irrespective of what may have happened,

>>is to take care before you invite the young man over.

 

My advice stands. Nothing in Zoom's response or yours is contradicted by anything I said. In fact, in essence, both of you, with the exception of Zoom's criticism of me in his second post, say nothing different that differs from me.

 

My particular comment to the initial post is that the POSTER does not provide specifics. WHY did he WANT to get rid of the escort. WHAT was wrong. I offered several possibilities.

 

In my possibilities, I did not suggest the escort was owed the full fee, but I also suggested that there are very good instances when a cancellation fee would be due.

 

>The analogy does not work, Franco. It's more like ordering a

>bottle of wine in a restaurant. When it is opened, it turns

>out is bad. I send it back, and get a new one. I don't pay

>for the first. Now, if you are using an agency, they can send

>you the second escort to your choosing like a second bottle of

>wine. For independent escorts though, how can the steak be

>re-cooked and how can the bottle of wine be replaced?

 

The anology can work. As always, "it depends." Please see below.

 

>I see no reason for a client to pay a cancellation fee when the

>escort bears no relationship to his pics, or when the escort

>having advertised versatility refuses either to top or bottom.

> For me the jury is out about an unclean escort. I'd probably

>offer them a shower instead or pay a cancellation fee.

>

 

Exactly what I said. If there is misrepresentation (and no such example was given in the original post), no cancellation fee is required. You are not talking about leaving the restaurant. You are talking about asking for wine to replace bad wine. If you send an escort home, you have not even "uncorked" the wine. What you may have done is sent back a 1999 Cabernet because you ordered an 1899 Merlot. This is due to misrepresentation. But what happens when the escort shows up on your door step and you just changed your mind? He fits the description. He is versatile. He matches his photographs exactly.

 

In such an instance, a cancellation fee is very appropriate. As a perfect example, if I were a bottom and I showed up on your door step, after spending the time to prepare to get fucked, I would be more than merely annoyed at receiving a thanks but no thanks and $10 at best. For one thing, for a bottom, it is not very healthy to be douching on a daily basis. It is also time consuming.

 

But this is why, as I quote you quoting myself above, my advice stands:

 

>>The better advice, irrespective of what may have happened,

>>is to take care before you invite the young man over.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Re-Cooked and Re-Corked

 

>>The better advice, irrespective of what may have happened,

>>is to take care before you invite the young man over.

 

My advice stands. Nothing in Zoom's response or yours is contradicted by anything I said. In fact, in essence, both of you, with the exception of Zoom's criticism of me in his second post, say nothing different that differs from me.

 

My particular comment to the initial post is that the POSTER does not provide specifics. WHY did he WANT to get rid of the escort. WHAT was wrong. I offered several possibilities.

 

In my possibilities, I did not suggest the escort was owed the full fee, but I also suggested that there are very good instances when a cancellation fee would be due.

 

>The analogy does not work, Franco. It's more like ordering a

>bottle of wine in a restaurant. When it is opened, it turns

>out is bad. I send it back, and get a new one. I don't pay

>for the first. Now, if you are using an agency, they can send

>you the second escort to your choosing like a second bottle of

>wine. For independent escorts though, how can the steak be

>re-cooked and how can the bottle of wine be replaced?

 

The anology can work. As always, "it depends." Please see below.

 

>I see no reason for a client to pay a cancellation fee when the

>escort bears no relationship to his pics, or when the escort

>having advertised versatility refuses either to top or bottom.

> For me the jury is out about an unclean escort. I'd probably

>offer them a shower instead or pay a cancellation fee.

>

 

Exactly what I said. If there is misrepresentation (and no such example was given in the original post), no cancellation fee is required. You are not talking about leaving the restaurant. You are talking about asking for wine to replace bad wine. If you send an escort home, you have not even "uncorked" the wine. What you may have done is sent back a 1999 Cabernet because you ordered an 1899 Merlot. This is due to misrepresentation. But what happens when the escort shows up on your door step and you just changed your mind? He fits the description. He is versatile. He matches his photographs exactly.

 

In such an instance, a cancellation fee is very appropriate. As a perfect example, if I were a bottom and I showed up on your door step, after spending the time to prepare to get fucked, I would be more than merely annoyed at receiving a thanks but no thanks and $10 at best. For one thing, for a bottom, it is not very healthy to be douching on a daily basis. It is also time consuming.

 

But this is why, as I quote you quoting myself above, my advice stands:

 

>>The better advice, irrespective of what may have happened,

>>is to take care before you invite the young man over.

[axebahia]

RE: Re-Cooked and Re-Corked

 

>But what happens when the escort shows

>up on your door step and you just changed your mind? He fits

>the description. He is versatile. He matches his photographs

>exactly.

 

If he is on time and it is a 1 hour appointment, I think the client should pay the full fee, (but note my comments about cleanliness above too). Hoewever, if it is a much longer appointment, some sharing of the risks between escort and clients seems appropriate, and hence a cancellation fee might be appropriate. If the escort is late, I don't think the client has a duty to pay anything, but that might depend on the escort, how late the escort was in fact, and the prior relationship, if any, between escort and client.

[axebahia]

RE: Re-Cooked and Re-Corked

 

>But what happens when the escort shows

>up on your door step and you just changed your mind? He fits

>the description. He is versatile. He matches his photographs

>exactly.

 

If he is on time and it is a 1 hour appointment, I think the client should pay the full fee, (but note my comments about cleanliness above too). Hoewever, if it is a much longer appointment, some sharing of the risks between escort and clients seems appropriate, and hence a cancellation fee might be appropriate. If the escort is late, I don't think the client has a duty to pay anything, but that might depend on the escort, how late the escort was in fact, and the prior relationship, if any, between escort and client.

[Barry]

RE: From An Escort Perspective

 

>In the end, I agreed to pay partially.

>He followed me to the bank machine. I gave

>him part of the sum there, and the rest when I put him in a

>taxi.

 

 

Just curious and a bit confused. Are you saying when you hired this guy you didn't have his fee with you in the hotel room? If the appointment had gone well you would still have had to go to an ATM afterwards to get the cash?

 

Barry

[Barry]

RE: From An Escort Perspective

 

>In the end, I agreed to pay partially.

>He followed me to the bank machine. I gave

>him part of the sum there, and the rest when I put him in a

>taxi.

 

 

Just curious and a bit confused. Are you saying when you hired this guy you didn't have his fee with you in the hotel room? If the appointment had gone well you would still have had to go to an ATM afterwards to get the cash?

 

Barry

[axebahia]

RE: From An Escort Perspective

 

>Just curious and a bit confused. Are you saying when you

>hired this guy you didn't have his fee with you in the hotel

>room? If the appointment had gone well you would still have

>had to go to an ATM afterwards to get the cash?

 

Yes, remember he was supposed to stay for 2 days, and I had seen him before so I knew he would not ask for money up front. I went to the ATM after we agreed that he would leave early, and withdrew what I thought would be necessary in advance. I am a plastic guy not a cash carrier so I seldom have large sums lying around. The only reason for the return to the ATM was because of his insisting on 100% pay for 41% of the agreed time so I needed to withdraw more.