Escort pricing... Can anyone give me the rules?

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>I would like to point out something that most escorts

>don't take into account, and probably don't give a rat's ass

>about. This may apply to Canada, more than the US as I think

>we have higher income tax rates...my payment [for an escort's >services] came from after tax dollars. But chances are that the >escort probably will not declare the cash I gave him and thereby >escape paying tax on it. Doesn't seem quite fair somehow.

 

How fair is it really to hold escorts accountable for the tax laws of Canada or any other jurisdiction? Well, maybe a few well-positioned hookers in Ottawa have something to answer for, you never know... :o

 

I can't think of any merchant who feels compelled to set his prices based on what level his customers are taxed at. You're right. How much income tax my client is paying doesn't make the cut of things for me to give a rat's ass about -- and I give a rat's ass about more than a few things. By the way, don't look now, but I DO pay taxes on my income (I almost wrote incum).

 

Do I detect a theme here? People in the lower tax brackets think we should charge less to make our companionship affordable to a wider audience, because we escorts aren't sleeping with enough people as it is. People in the upper tax brackets, frustrated with the cumbersome legislative process in multiparty democracies, think we should charge less as a back door (get it?) way of attaining tax relief for those at the top of the pay scale. Both views, I think, hold us accountable for too much.

 

>But regardless it has to boil down to value for money.

 

Hey, now this gets it right! Value for money is what we SHOULD be accountable for. If we're providing that, then everybody wins. I love a happy ending. ;-) :* :7

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>How fair is it really to hold escorts accountable for the

>tax laws of Canada or any other jurisdiction?

 

That was not the point I was trying to make. The tax rate in the US, while not as onerous as ours, must also impact a clients ability to spend.

 

>I can't think of any merchant who feels compelled to set his

>prices based on what level his customers are taxed at.

 

I never suggested that - where did that come from?

 

>Do I detect a theme here? People in the lower tax brackets

>think we should charge less to make our companionship

>affordable to a wider audience, because we escorts aren't

>sleeping with enough people as it is

 

Theme? What theme? I never said that either - don't be so defensive.

 

>>But regardless it has to boil down to value for money.

>

>Hey, now this gets it right! Value for money is what we

>SHOULD be accountable for. If we're providing that, then

>everybody wins. I love a happy ending. ;-) :* :7

 

The only point I was trying to make - and if you didn't get it the first time, you propably will not (or will choose to not) get it this time is.......

 

Escorts - or anyone selling any services for that matter, should realize the TRUE cost to the consumer. Before you spend 100 bucks you have to earn 200. And if rates for ANY service climb too high, people will restrict their buying. Real simple!

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Ant415]

hey Jim,

 

I was in SD recently and wanted to hire Carlos (hot looking young Latin guy. Too bad, he closed shop due to a recent car accident.

[Guest Ant415]

If the escort has a published rate, and it is higher than your "X" willing to pay, why even approach him?

[Guest Ant415]

The cost of the airplane ride to Berlin should be factored in to the mix. The Berlin escort may only cost $100, but you cannot call him on the spur of the moment and hookup.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>>I can't think of any merchant who feels compelled to set his

>>prices based on what level his customers are taxed at.

>

>I never suggested that - where did that come from?

 

Sorry for misunderstanding, but it sounds like you are saying escorts ought to be considering how much tax our clients pay when setting our prices. But we have no way of knowing what a client's tax burden his, how adept his accountant is at relieving him of it, or what other benefits, like health insurance (subsidized by American employers, or, in your case, the Canadian government), rent control he receives that offset or mitigate that burden. We ASSUME people have other expenses. Just what those expenses are, and what percentage they are of the client's income, is none of our business.

 

>>Do I detect a theme here? People in the lower tax brackets

>>think we should charge less to make our companionship

>>affordable to a wider audience, because we escorts aren't

>>sleeping with enough people as it is

>

>Theme? What theme? I never said that either

 

I know. You've already stated you're from the UPPER tax bracket. I was talking about complaints from people in LOWER tax brackets.

 

>don't be so defensive.

 

Aw, we're just exchanging ideas, I know it ain't personal. I still luv ya Thunderbuns... :*

 

>Escorts - or anyone selling any services for that matter,

>should realize the TRUE cost to the consumer.

 

All we can hope to realize is what our own true costs are. We can't anticipate all our clients' widely variable costs of living. I know how much my tax burden is, my rent, my (totally out-of-pocket) health insurance, my advertising costs, and how much time I spend working on the biz outside the time I'm actually with a client. My 'actual' hourly compensation comes down to much, much less than my rate.

 

At any rate, I think duke37's point in the related thread rings true. The market will continue to provide at a variety of levels, and escorts will continue to have to decide which niches they wish to target, and which they wish to take a pass on. Clients will continue to decide which niche, if any, they wish to occupy. The fact that, as duke37 points out, there are more escorts and more clients than ever before suggests that the situation is in control. The fact that more escorts may be out there charging big bucks doesn't mean that there are fewer escorts charging moderate bucks, or even baby bucks. If it did I'd never get people asking if I'll take $100. Somebody's gotta be telling those people yes.

[Guest Derrick]

Comparing the Canadian economy & U.S. economy....I mean please, go cry

to Dubya or your prime minister, if you want our tax bracket, then join us.

 

Second, jeffOH, said it well the calls will continue to come in....

 

Third, when I think of giving someone a price break, I think why?

Is it because they will want more later on (repeat), because I

want to win them as a repeat client who schedules in advance and treats me with respect..........(they know who they are & I love you guys).

 

...see Trixie you can't just haggle for the principle of haggling,

that is tacky, come up with a better rationale and I'm sure my peers

would be willing to negotiate.

 

Derrick

[Guest seraph250]

>If the escort has a published rate, and it is higher than

>your "X" willing to pay, why even approach him?

 

I find very few escorts who publish their rates in their ads, whether print ads or web ads. I would say that over 90% of the escorts I have contacted require that you email or call for rates.

 

America is one of the few countries I have visited in which some people act as though there is something wrong with bargaining over the price of goods or services offered for sale. In most countries I have visited in Europe, Asia and Latin America it is expected. In some it is considered an insult not to bargain because it conveys a lack of interest in what is offered or a negative evaluation of what is offered. I have always felt that the reason for the reluctance of some Americans to bargain is some sort of personal insecurity or lack of self-confidence in dealing with other people, but of course it is hard to be sure about this.

[Trixie]

Actually, haggling for the sake of haggling is EXACTLY what haggling is all about! Ain't you ever been abroad, Fratboy? In any culture where an independent seller's market system operates (as opposed to the fixed-price chain retail system America has become), the seller EXPECTS to haggle. He starts his first price roughly around twice the amount he's willing to accept, and expects the buyer to negotiate it down. If he's a good salesman, he'll hopefully be able to walk away with a little bit more than he would've been willing to settle for.

In countries where haggling is part of the shopping experience, merchants LOVE american tourists, because they're SO BLOODY STUPID!

They'll willingly pay the first asking price without hesitation. Even if they're aware that they're supposed to haggle, most americans won't. They're too afraid.

Thus, every dumb american who strolls through the market gets targeted with an ever increasing price, because the merchants know they'll probably get it. Savvier buyers get the same product at a fraction of the price. Somehow, this strikes me as a fair analogy of what we've been discussing. I'm not saying every 'scort is predatory... in fact, my (extensive) experience with them has proven that MOST are not. And for instance, DevonSF (whom I'm dying to meet!) has made a very persuasive and sensible case for his per-hour pricing. And JeffOH, for all his defensive posting, actually seems to price himself quite reasonably. Wish I lived in his part of the country

Oh... the Canadian economics thing. That wasn't me, sorry.

[Trixie]

"Value for money is what we SHOULD be accountable for"

Well put, Devon, and so true. If an escort feels he is worth more than his local competition, he should be ready to put his money where his mouth is. Or...put his mouth where the money is?...anyway, My experience has absolutely shown that a somewhat less expensive escort, who puts some genuine effort into whatever it is he's been hired to do, is ALWAYS tons more fun than an expensive primadonna who feels that being pretty is all the justification he needs to charge a lot.

[Trixie]

Hey, I like that! Kind of an AFL-CIO for johns!

[chrismac]

>Some clients have a love/hate attitude towards escorts. They

>love how we can make them feel, but then become resentful

>when their unresolved feelings about themselves come into

>play. I realized long ago that this really has nothing to do

>with me personally.

 

I believe that is certainly true, in more than just a few cases (perhaps sprinkled to some extent throughout all cases). I also think another related dynamic is at work here; one that has been discussed in various themes and threads many times. This is a kind of addiction for many clients, especially those who have tried using escorts and have found good ones several times. This website certainly increases those odds.

 

No, perhaps not an addiction as strong as cocaine or tobacco, but something more akin to becoming used to taking a tropical vacation once a year. You look forward to it. In a way, you need it. If, however, over the years you find the prices at your favorite resort creep up to the point you begin to seriously wonder if you'll be able to continue visiting, you become a little anxious. If, by checking with other resorts on the island, as well as on other islands the same is becoming true, and then you find a forum exists somewhere where you can talk about it with other travelers as well as resort managers, it's probably going to make it into the conversation at some point. It's natural you'd be both disappointed and a little frightened about how to resolve the issue. You wish (in your mind) you could say to all the holiday makers in the world, "Stop visiting this or any other island for at least one year to let the prices settle out!" Would you say it publicly? Probably not. Would it work if you did? I can't imagine how. Did the pathetic consumer-led attempt to drive down gasoline prices by only patronizing the smaller independent retailers succeed? Clearly not. Larger institutional reductions in demand and rogue production sources accomplished that.

 

Should the resort owners lower their prices for you, when the queue of new travelers, fresh from their victories in the stock market or at the race track stretches beyond sight?

 

But the question for you remains:

 

What are you going to do for vacation next year?

 

Don't worry - there are still quite a few quality islands out there that you can afford. And don't toss out the possibility of revisiting your favorite places from time to time - just to splurge. But if you're feeling bad about spending the money on the trip - you should probably reconsider. The hotel manager doesn't want a grumpy guest either.

[chrismac]

>The cost of the airplane ride to Berlin should be factored

>in to the mix. The Berlin escort may only cost $100, but

>you cannot call him on the spur of the moment and hookup.

 

Well, if you're already over there on business, or have enough miles to spend on a few tickets, that helps. Obviously not everyone has that, but for those who do, it's a viable option with little or no "hard dollar" outlay.;-)

[chrismac]

>Hey, I like that! Kind of an AFL-CIO for johns!

 

I'd be honored follow you around with a clipboard, Mr. Trixie Hoffa. :+

[Guest LuckyLaCoste]

Trixie

Didnt mean to get you so upset,was just posting my view on the subject. No hard feeling I hope. I agree with everything except the part about getting busted. I disagree that you the "John" has a greater chance of getting busted. You have our reviews to go by, you know that we are legit. We however dont have any reviews to go by, its just by talking to the client on the phone. But on an ending note, it is a chance that both parties choose to take. I for one am very grateful to be able to be in this business. Thanks guys.

Lucky LaCoste

[+ Axiom2001]

I see someone else is quite interested in GuySF's secrets. Please, Guy, we're patiently waiting! Right now there are two of us; there may be more, for I have not scrolled down to read more! Lots of love!

Please give your fellow comrades a big break in the $$$$$$$$$ and enjoyment departments.

[Guest Ivanhoe]

>By throwing

>>around their money, they'd like to feel they're winning the

>>affection of...well, probably the guy they had a crush on in

>>high school. Or a symbol thereof, represented by the escort.

>> Unfortunately, they're quietly deluding themselves, and

>>making it harder on those of us who don't have and endless

>>supply of money to find an occasional hour of satisfaction.

>

>Well said! As the cowardly lion lamented, "Ain't it the

>truth!"

>

 

I don't understand your hostility towards people who can afford to spend this kind of money on escorts. When I first came to the US over 20 years ago, my first car was a Ford Pinto. I envied those guys who drove a Mercedes or a Jaguar. I did not criticize those rich guys nor did I go to the dealership to complain about the prices of those expensive cars. What I did is convince myself that if others can do it, so can I. After years of hard work and plenty of risk taking, I'm in a position now where I'm able to afford almost anything I want in life. If I choose to spend thousands of dollars to hire and fly escorts for extended periods, pay the higher fees and give a generous tip on top of that, it's a prerogative I've earned. I don't do it to "win anyone's affection." Simply put, I do it because I can afford to. I do not have to justify or explain to anyone how I choose to spend my money.

 

Hiring escorts is a luxury and if you think otherwise, then you are the ones "deluding" yourselves. If a difference in a few hundred dollars in escort pricing will adversely affect your budget, then maybe you shouldn't be hiring in the first place.

 

Instead of complaining about the rising prices of escort fees, you should concentrate more in making more money so you can afford what others can. This is America guys. The opportunities are here. If a poor immigrant like myself can make it here, so can you.

[Trixie]

RE:Oh, Lucky...

 

Oh Lucky, I could NEVER be upset with you! Not with that fabulous bicep of yours! :9 And after giving it some thought, you're probably right about you running a greater risk of the Polizei. I was thinking more about the guys who go cruising for hustlers... around here the police have been known to pose some of their more attractive officers as street boys... oh, the very thought of it practically makes me cream in my pants! Too bad it's not a happy ending.

Anyway, that's another world. Exposing yourself on the net does put you at more risk, I agree. So presumably, the price you charge includes a portion that's automatically tucked away in case you have to make bail. Smart cookie!

[chrismac]

>You have our reviews to go by, you know that we are legit.

>We however dont have any reviews to go by, its just by

>talking to the client on the phone. But on an ending note,

>it is a chance that both parties choose to take.

 

Excellent point - clients have the research edge. It's hard to imagine a well-reviewed and long-time escort going "State's witness" all of the sudden. Has this ever happened?

[guyinsf]

In today's reviews, there is a new escort called "Sebastian", supposedly in San Jose and listed on Meet Local Men. (I couldn't find anyone there by that name, though, so I wonder if the review is even true.) Sebastian's rate is supposedly $300 per hour and he doesn't top or bottom or, apparently, give oral. I am just so amused by things like this. Even if he was the most attractive man on the planet, I cannot imagine paying $300 to be jerked off by someone. Even if I were wealthy, which I'm not, I still can't imagine doing that. Why not just masturbate while watching a video? Or, better yet, why not hire someone else?

[Guest alanm]

This site is never boring. Just when things seems calm "Trixie" starts

posting, with a fairly negative attitude toward escorts. He seems not

capable of seeing escorts from any other side than the "John's".

 

Trixie apparently busts his ass in retail and wishes he could make so much money for so little work. One thing that no one has mentioned is the price that many escorts pay in their personal life for choosing to escort. Imagine not being able to tell your parents and relatives what you do for a living. Sure a few close friends may understand, but very few. And then there is dating. An escort is not prime dating material. It seems like a lonely life to me. Maybe some of these factors need to be figured into the price.

[Guest JoeyHart]

JESUS! We're not talking about buying yams at a corner-side market!!! You're purchasing a "service" who's value far outweighs anything else for sale in ANY country.

 

If you find it unacceptable that US escorts don't haggle, there are flights leaving hourly for Europe and Asia.

 

Furthermore ~ escorts SHOULD NOT be considerate to the dollar value in foreign country with regards to their fee. It is the overseas client's understanding that any store you shop it, any restaurant you dine at in America; you expect to pay more. Those merchants do not change their prices for you. Why should escort be any different?

 

Ridiculous!!!!

[Guest seraph250]

>JESUS! We're not talking about buying yams at a corner-side

>market!!! You're purchasing a "service" who's value far

>outweighs anything else for sale in ANY country.

 

I don't agree with you. And since I've had plenty of success with my approach in the U.S. I'm going to continue with it whether you approve or not.

 

>If you find it unacceptable that US escorts don't haggle,

>there are flights leaving hourly for Europe and Asia.

 

As I've already pointed out, I find that plenty of escorts in the U.S. have no problem with my approach. And I'm not the only poster who has reported this.

 

>Furthermore ~ escorts SHOULD NOT be considerate to the

>dollar value in foreign country with regards to their fee.

 

I don't understand the above sentence. Does anyone else?

 

>It is the overseas client's understanding that any store you

>shop it, any restaurant you dine at in America; you expect

>to pay more.

 

Where did you get that idea? Prices of many items bought at retail in Europe are far more expensive than in America. Have you ever gone shopping for jeans in Germany or France?

[phage]

>I have always felt that the reason for the

>reluctance of some Americans to bargain is some sort of

>personal insecurity or lack of self-confidence in dealing

>with other people, but of course it is hard to be sure about

>this.

 

Why would you attribute it to insecurity or lack of self-confidence? It is much more likely that is simply considered bad manners. Since America is not a “haggling” country, many Americans would consider it in poor taste to haggle over a personal service. Business deals are negotiated, and you haggle with a car salesman, but I certainly don’t want to equate either of these situations with hiring an escort. Yes, it’s a financial transaction, but it’s not a contract to make widgets -- it’s a very personal service.

 

Many, many cultures are very comfortable talking about what everything costs and what everyone makes and pays, etc, but it just isn’t polite in American society. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong – only that it probably has very little to do with self-confidence.

[Guest alanm]

Quality escorts may allow some negotiation in price during a slow period, but they will also classify you as a problem client. It is fine if you only plan to see the escort once, but a bad way to start a relationship with an escort whom you may want to see a number of times.

 

On the other hand (so to speak), porn stars charge very high rates,

there has to room for some room for negotiation in those situations.