The impact of this site

[Guest AllAmerEscrt]

>Holloway wasn't accused of being disrespectful,

>he was accused of being

>a thief. Several people

>wrote that he got them

>to give him money and

>then took off or never

>showed up at all.

>I'm sorry to hear that

>you'd consider doing something like

>that.

 

Actually, I would never do that. But it is interesting you don't feel that someone who is an alleged thief is not disrespectful if the allegations turned out to be true.

 

>Is there some other reason to

>hire a hooker?

 

I don't know you, and don't really care to from this exchange of posts, but that statement alone, in my opinion, illustrates an ignorant point of view.

 

 

>Before you start lecturing others about

>"the laws of Karma" you

>should try learning something about

>what that word means.

>For a beginner, I recommend

>"Karma and Chaos" by Paul

>R. Fleischman, M.D.

 

 

You know, I think I will take your advice. Having a BA in psychology, I am always interested in learning more about some of the resources that influence the way people think. I'll let you know, but I am sure that the book will not promote the idea of hiring people so you can laugh at them. But I will get back to you on that...

Matt

[Guest AllAmerEscrt]

I appologize if I seem oversensitive, but Pickwick's attitude, in my opinion, sucks!! I had hoped to learn I had misunderstood his original post in our exchange, but only became more upset at his absurd attitude. I have said my peace and will not waste anymore time with him.

Sorry again,

Matt

[Bilbo]

Matt, I'm not sure that he is laughing at his escorts. He may have meant only to laugh at those who to him seem to take the subjects we discuss here too seriously.

 

At any rate, though, as a retired escort who was a Reiki Master (still am) before I retired, I do find it interesting that he seems to assume that an escort wouldn't necessarily know about Karma. Was it something you said? If so, I hope he comes back and tells us what it was.

[Guest pickwick]

>Matt, I'm not sure that he

>is laughing at his escorts.

>He may have meant only

>to laugh at those who

>to him seem to take

>the subjects we discuss here

>too seriously.

>

 

Neither of you seems to be aware that the common meaning of the phrase to do something "for laughs" is to do it in order to have a good time. I've never heard of another reason for hiring a hooker. Is there one?

 

You're not wrong in saying that I'm amused by people who take this whole subject seriously, though. Amused and amazed, in fact.

 

>At any rate, though, as a

>retired escort who was a

>Reiki Master (still am) before

>I retired, I do find

>it interesting that he seems

>to assume that an escort

>wouldn't necessarily know about Karma.

>Was it something you said?

>If so, I hope he

>comes back and tells us

>what it was.

 

It's not an assumption. Anyone who says, as he did, that Karma is about vengeance or punishment clearly knows nothing about the concept. If he actually reads the Fleischman book at least he'll know better than to say things like that.

[Guest AllAmerEscrt]

>At any rate, though, as a

>retired escort who was a

>Reiki Master (still am) before

>I retired, I do find

>it interesting that he seems

>to assume that an escort

>wouldn't necessarily know about Karma.

>Was it something you said?

>If so, I hope he

>comes back and tells us

>what it was.

 

 

Well,

I realized, only after I was into my second exchange of posts, that I had allowed my anger to suck me into the whole debate. I thank you for your advice though and will hopefully be aware for the next time a post angers me. I guess it all escalated because Pickwick felt I defined Karma as only a "punishment or vengeance".

>>>

>>>Anyone who says, as he did, that Karma is about vengeance or >>>punishment clearly knows nothing about the concept. If he >>>actually reads the Fleischman book at least he'll know better >>>than to say things like that.

>>>

 

Actually, I meant to imply that it encompasses all the actions of an individual, and acts as a "reflection" of those actions. Although I did make reference to the idea of something negative due to the nature of his intentions/ involvement with this site and escorts, Karma can act just as rewarding for those that recognize and act in a positive way. If that is wrong, then maybe that book, as I am planning to begin reading it as soon as I find it, will let me know otherwise. What do you think?

Matt

Tampa

http://www.allamericanmat.cjb.net

[Bilbo]

I have a whole headboard full of books I intend to read, but I will keep an eye on my flyers from One Spirit bookclub for this book and put it in the que (there! I meant to be cute and use the English word for a waiting line and completely blew the spelling.)

 

Love and level heads, Bilbo

[Justice]

>(there! I

>meant to be cute and

>use the English word for

>a waiting line and completely

>blew the spelling.)

 

 

LOL! (Don't you just hate when that happens!)

[RM]

My understanding of the term "having some laughs" is to have a good, but not particularly meaningful, time. Has nothing to do with laughing at anyone. I think you are right, that you have misinterpreted Pickwick.

[Guest Zach DC]

Maupin's Tales of the City and Leavitt's A Place I've Never Been are both worth reading.

[Justice]

Tales of the City is an excellent choice.

[Guest Zach DC]

Oops I responded to the wrong thread.

[Guest DickHo]

>I've never seen anything on this

>site that I thought was

>witty, but plenty that I

>thought was ridiculous.

 

That's very witty! And we need to keep laughing...

[Guest MrB]

RE: Escort approval of positive reviews

 

I don't actually send the review to the escort but I do discuss details before I write so if there's anything he does not want made public, I'm aware of it. That makes sense to me, this is a guy I like so much that I'm spending money to be with him :-), why would I want to offend him?

 

 

MrB

 

 

Obviously, this doesn't apply to a negative review--but I've been lucky so far and never had cause to write one

[Guest bigjake80]

I've just set my computer up in my new home of Orlando, and I wanted to comment on this thread. It's interesting what a site like this does to your business. Up until I was given a good review, almost all of my work came from HX Magazine (bar rag). It was the kind of work that goes someting like "Hi, Im downstairs on my cell phone, can I come up?" If you ask for a few minutes to finish your Capn Crunch, they would move on. The internet business that came to me was much more upscale and privy to the needs of my business, like scheduling. I stopped running all of my print ads and started taking much more work. This radical shift in my business came mainly as a result of this site. I started listing on other escort sites and started paying closer attention to email. However, it wasnt long before I got my first and only negative review. There is no need to go into the details as its covered in my response. What I will say is that it changed my view of this site completely. The free ride was over. The review was of an appointment that had happened 5 months earlier, and I wouldnt even have remembered it, had the same person not already trashed me in a thread on the message board (which did have a date and at least gave me a direction to look in). In fact, he had written the review as if the appointment had just happened the day before.

 

That review led me and my business into a catharsis. I had to come to terms with other peoples opinions of me, valid or not. Id be lying if I said that I was not completlly devistated by the review. It really hurt my feelings reading a publicly printed letter saying that I was a cold nasty person that gave a sucky massage. I also had to come to terms with the double edged nature of this web site. Sure, its great when you are up, but I actually had so many people cancel when that review first ran that it really scared to the hell out of me. I was sure it was over. Over time I learned that shit happens. I eventually developed a work philosophy that made it easier. I decided that as long as I know in the deep of my chest that I did the best damn job that I could and gave each client 100 percent that I could not only sleep at night, but I was impervious to critism. If another bad review came along, I was prepared to let it slide with little to no comment. I have plenty of reviews that say otherwise. Instead of growing a "thick skin" I just grew up.

 

Of course, those of you that read these boards remember my getting raked over the coals on the message boards. This was done by the very same person that wrote that negative review. He took on several screen names and held an entire conversation with himself trashing me. I stayed out of it and it died down after awhile. It didnt bother me nearly as much as having clients express genuine concern for me over this public mess. What that said to me is that they took this guy serious enough to warrent a word of encouragement to me. I know that my saying that sounds rude, but its meant to illustrate my point (and I do have one) that this site does have an impact the working boys. It wasnt what moved me out of the business, but it did shake me up from time to time.

 

Anyway, that all being said, I am going to set up shop here in Orlando. I intend to take 2-3 a week. I am only doing this because I love massage and I want to do it on my terms now that I have the opportunity. I want to be able to give full attention to each client. I wont need the sheer numbers that I did to exist in NYC, so it will be about fun. My new web page will be at http://www.jakesbodyworks.com (my own URL!) and should be up and running by may 1 (its not right now).

 

THanks for everything, and I llook forwrd to seeing yall in Orlando.

 

Jake

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-20-01 AT 08:07AM (EST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Apr-20-01 AT 08:04 AM (EST)

 

>Could it be that we have

>a group of “lurkers” here

>who get their jollies by

>harassing or otherwise intimidating the

>escorts mentioned here?

>

I don't think there is a group... disturbed minds of this sort don't travel in packs IMHO. Just a few individuals with a potential for seriously aberrant behavior that engage in acts of self-realization from time to time.

 

> If so, is there anything we can

>do about it?

 

Hoot them down as we've done in the past. It takes a little time and effort but it works and that is the prescription in a society of free speech.

 

>I, for one, will be very

>reluctant to post another review

>(however positive) if this is

>the case.

 

If this prescription is right then everyone should follow it. If so, then the site would close down and the escorts of your concern would be the worse for it. Based on that outcome I think this is not the right prescription.

 

 

The real impact of this site is that of a well-lighted stage where the spotlight is always on and where every audience seat is front and center –- a stage for escorts, a stage for stalkers, and a stage for a whole cast of us minor characters who wonder on and off at will. The performances depend on the abilities of the actors and the quality of their lines. Clearly, the escorts are the stars of the show and have the most to gain or lose. Good performances bring bouquets and applause and bad performances bring hoots and hollers and maybe eggs and week-old produce. The fall-out can be Cinderella stories of rise to fame and fortune… well fame anyway (the cases can be documented); or it can result in a crash and burn (the cases also can be documented). I doubt if this site can be credited with creating or killing careers but certainly it can have an effect on the amount of success or lack thereof (consider Nick of BewareofNick fame or Anthony Holloway which seem to survive somehow and Kyle Matthews whose business I suspect has taken a downturn, else why devote such massive energy…).

 

Many have addressed, accurately I think, the impact of a single negative review -- maybe just a single incident of bad communication or bad chemistry, or a bad night, or maybe a BAD client (they do exist, some becoming persistent stalkers) –- no more than a bump in the road easy to get past, if just that and addressed by the escort in a straightforward manner. Or if the escort response sends up additional red flags, possibly a notice that something might be amiss -– the beginning of nine miles of bad road. Repeated negative reviews by established or verifiably different clients certainly is a bad turn of events, usually deservedly, maybe a career crippler but not a killer for the persistent escort (eg. Nick and AH).

 

Bottom line: When any of us put ourselves onstage we subject ourselves to the potential for applause or slings and arrows. On this stage, as on the stage-of-life, the measure of our performance is how well we deliver our lines and respond to adversity. An escorts career is measured by the sum of his performances. A stalker is revealed by his overzealous pursuit and us minor characters just are...

[Guest elwood]

As usual,Tampa............well said!

[Losgatan]

Tampa,

 

Thanks for your very thoughtful comments. I'll take them to heart.

[Guest Jason Reardone]

This is why discretion and above all SILENCE can be so valuable.

[Guest Jason Reardone]

FOR AS MUCH AS I HATE TO, I AGREE WITH ALLAMERESCRT. AND IF I'VE MISUNDERSTOOD THE READING OF THE POST THUS FAR I APOLOGIZE.

 

I THINK FOR ONE PERSON (OR GROUP)TO FEEL ANOTHER IS RIDICULOUS OR COMICAL OR WORTHLESS IS THERE PERROGOTIVE BUT TO VOICE IT AND USE THAT ENCOUNTER TO HURT OR DEGRADE IS NOTHING SHORT OF SHAMELESS.

[Guest Jason Reardone]

>

>> ALLAMERESCRT: If you only use

>>this site to hire boys

>>for "laughs",

>

>

>pICKWICK:Is there some other reason to

>hire a hooker?

>

>

 

I THINK THE RESPONDANT HAS SHOWN HIS TRUE SELF IN THE ABOVE CHOICE OF WORDS. THERE IS NOTHING MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID.

[Guest Jason Reardone]

>My understanding of the term "having

>some laughs" is to

>have a good, but not

>particularly meaningful, time.

>Has nothing to do with

>laughing at anyone. I

>think you are right, that

>you have misinterpreted Pickwick.

 

 

RM, READ THE SECOND REFERENCE CAREFULLY, PICKWICK INTENDED THE NEGATIVE REFERENCE FROM THE GET-GO DESPITE IS LATER COMMENTS. WHEN THE WORD "HOOKER" IS USED IN THE CONTEXT WITH "LAUGHS" IT'S QUITE CLEAR WHAT THE INTENT IS. I'M NOT TRYING TO OVER ANALYZE BUT SIMPLY MAKING AN OBSERVATION AND PERHAPS ADDING SOME CREDIBILITY TO ALLAMERESCRT'S INITIAL RESPONSE.

 

I'VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED ANYONE THAT HAD RESPECT FOR ME OR MY PROFESSION THAT USED THE WORD "HOOKER".

 

I DON'T KNOW PICKWICK AND AM NOT MAKING JUDGEMENTS ABOUT HIS PERSON, ONLY ON THE CHOICE OF WORDS AND DELIVERY OF SAID COMMENT.

 

-jason