Escorts' "Ages" & cock sizes

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

Why do escorts, almost without exception, lie about their ages? If the guy says he's 29, you just KNOW he's in his mid-30's. I know of guys who have been doing this for years and yet their age stays the same - sort of like Dick Clark in reverse. Don't they realize that johns are attracted to what they look like and not their "age"? In fact, many guys only want someone "seasoned" and not some young thing who doesn't have a clue how to do it.

 

As for cock size........just like AOL profiles, it seems that all escorts have AT LEAST 8". My rule of thumb has always been to subtract 2" from the claim and you'll be pretty much in the ballpark of reality. True, there are some exceptions like Chad Hunt - not THAT's a 9" cock - unlike Justin aka "NYHotEscort" who says on his website that he has 9". I've had him and I can tell you unequivocally that he does NOT have 9" and, in fact, some of the pictures on site are NOT "accurate", contrary to what he makes an issue of saying in his AOL profile - it's interesting he puts "accurate" in all caps - perhaps the lady doth protest too much? ALL the pictures of him standing sideways are doctored to make his cock longer than it is. I'm baffled why he would do this, he's a beautiful man with an incredible body and a beautiful cock. However, his cock aint no 9"!! And it aint nothin' like the sideways pictures on his website. But now I've gone off topic....

 

For me, the most important thing is if it's a pretty cock or not. I've seen LOTS of big ugly ones (like Johnny Hanson) and lots of pretty small ones (like - well, they'd probably rather I not name them).

 

I guess my whole point of this post is that I like truth in advertising and guys are making a mistake by not being upfront.

[Guest elwood]

We live in a youth oriented world on some levels. And many gay men are especially age conscious. I am 55. Generally,I am sexually attracted to men younger than myself (18-40 or so). I feel that very few men are attracted sexually to someone my age. I emphasize "sexually" because there are an infinite variety of characteristics about people that make them attractive to me.Intelligence,wit,compassion,honesty,integrity,humor. These have nothing to do with age. I hire escorts for sex . That does not mean I do not respect them or that I simply "use" them.It is more a comment on myself really. I am under no illusions that I will develop any sort of "relationship" with the escort or that he is having sex with me for anything other than financial reasons.But still I look for other qualities during the brief encounter. I feel there is no problem with escorts who shave a year or two off their age... probobly most people do that after a while and the escort is marketing to an age conscious group. I have found that by and large...I "click" better with escorts who are older than 24. Many of the younger ones I have met just do not seem to relate to me in a satisfying way (with one or two exceptions). Sex is certainly more than mechanics and while a handsome youth will turn my head (?), a good escort brings more than youth. Some of the best are indeed more mature. I generally have to pay for sex at my age. I do NOT have to pay for love and friendship,thank God. So I take most descriptions with a grain of salt and unless they are grossly inaccurate I don't consider it a problem. To me, if a man is 26 or 28 or 34....thats still pretty young and very attractive to me and with perhaps (not guaranteed) a more well rounded personality. Age or youth do not guarantee anything. There are old fools (like me) and also very wise youths. For me..what I get from a satisfying experience with an escort..makes me feel better about myself. It is a type of intimacy I somehow crave. And when it goes wrong...it can be depressing too. Hey, I'm still new to this game of life even at 55 and have so much to learn about myself.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-05-01 AT 04:55PM (EST)[p]Elwood,

 

I identify with most of what you express...

 

A word about truth in advertising... or rather shaving it. It abounds everywhere, print, TV, mail, email -- be it stretching, embellishing, or shaving the truth, or occasionally downright lying. And as far as a youth oriented culture... look again at the advertising... if you are 29 you're a 'has been' as far as Madison Ave is concerned (for the most part). This is no less true in the gay community... just check the personals in any local gay newpaper or on the web. I believe age is a more potent discriminant by far than either appearance or cock size; so potent and endemic that it isn't usually even brought up in a discussion of discriminants relevant to the gay mating ritual -- A Fact of Life.

 

So why wouldn't there be a natural proclivity for escorts to be sensitive to this. I do agree with elwood though... several of us 'more mature guys' appreciate the additional facets that more 'seasoned' escorts possess.

[Guest youngblood]

In my experience, escorts have been far more likely to lie about their age than the size of their dicks. (I am not a size queen, so I often don't even look at the alleged size in the reviews!) I am 41, and am always amused when people guess my age as 34-35, because in reality how drastically do people age from 34-41 in our admittedly youth obsessed culture?

 

Thus, does it really matter if an escort is 28 or 30 or 32 or 34?Isn't telling the lie worse than the lie itself?

[Guest HornyPony]

as a soon2 B escort I would have to say that where i am right now ( i am 27 ) i would not even think about lying about neither ( and not only becuz i feel i don't have to ...) it's just that U r so close to your clients doing this , why lie ? I mean , u put pictures out , they see what u look like anyway - right ?

never cook a meal u can't eat ,

 

HP

[Justice]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-05-01 AT 10:15PM (EST)[p]I have no idea why an escort would misrepresent the size of his cock -- after all that's not something that he's going to be able to hide from most clients. ;-)

 

I suspect that the problem about advertisements and their ages is that the escorts (like the rest of us :-() have no choice but to celebrate birthdays and they often don't get a chance to update their ads -- or even worse that they run so many ads that they forget about some of them. Here's two examples:

 

1)In the unanswered e-mail thread, I pointed out that Rod Hagen (who's VERY candid about the size of his cock ;-)) was running an ad on http://www.perfectmen.com that not only incorrectly showed that he was 26 (he mentioned that he was going to turn 28 a couple of days after his recent chat) but that also showed an aol e-mail address. Since Rod is equally candid about his dislike of AOL, I can only assume that Rod forgot all about the ad until I pointed it out to him. (By the way Rod, I just checked -- you either have to start reading your AOL e-mail or change the ad. ;-) Yes I know, the ad does include a link to your site and your preferred e-mail address, but who besides me is going to notice that?)

 

2)Todd Sharpe is still running an ad -- also on perfectmen.com -- that shows that he's based New York. The ad includes a New York phone number and an obsolete e-mail address. Since Todd is now based in Los Angeles, I can only assume that he forgot all about the ad. (He thanked me for sending him a reminder e-mail!) (I have no idea how much traffic is generated by the ad, but who ever inherited his New York number MUST get a lot of interesting phone calls. }>) Although the ad does include his web site (which correctly states that he based in LA) and his new phone number and e-mail address, I can also imagine that the confusion just might have cost him some clients.

 

So for all you escorts out there, please keep track of your ads.

[N.N.]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-06-01 AT 00:41AM (EST)[p]It's customary to lie about measurements in many businesses. The "17 inch" monitor in front of me shows 16". I deplore this, but I seem to be in the minority. When I've called escorts on their lying, I've been deemed a nitpicker. When I pointed out to one escort that he was 24 rather than the 20 in his ad, his response was along the lines of "what's your problem--don't I look 20?"

 

"Accurate" in the escort business seems to mean claiming a dick size only one inch longer than actual. Some escorts say there is no standard way to measure a penis, but that's a lame excuse; there is a consensus about what is a fair way to measure (along the top side). Circumferences are routinely exaggerated as well.

 

This is a double standard. The client is expected not to bitch when the escort's age and dick aren't as claimed, but escorts wouldn't like it if a client tried to pay less than the agreed-upon rate.

 

I suspect that escort ads are the way they are because that's what works for the escort. If accurate ads brought more business, I think escorts would figure that out right away.

 

There are some escorts who are thoroughly accurate and straightforward--and they have my respect. But from my observations in the cities where I've hired escorts, it's customary to lie in ads when ages and dick sizes are given.

[Guest Jason Reardone]

http://www.JasonReardone.cjb.net

 

Certainly the exception and not the norm many sites post escort information without permission. At least two separate sites have posted my information without my knowledge and worse yet posted inaccurate information. In one instance there was a nude photo associated with my ad. I do not nor have I ever sent out nude photos of myself to websites or clients. On one occasion I was told that an ad read that I had a "semi-hairy" chest and that I "routinely barebacked" in another, neither of which is true.

 

It's difficult to keep up with the liars and cheaters I suppose so take that in consideration when viewing webring information about your favorite escort and perhaps discuss personals one-on-one with your escort. This not only helps build rapport and trust but also gets you the most up-to-date information str8 from the preverbal 'horses mouth'. -jason

[Guest Jason Reardone]

http://www.JasonReardone.cjb.net

In this business, like in life many, many people are deceitful in order to gain financial prowess. Should anyone be surprised? I mean c'mon why should the segment of the population that chooses the "adult entertainment industry" as their profession be any less likely to "fib" (to use a southern term) then say.....my ex lover about where he was the night of June 21st?

 

I'm certainly not condoning sketchy profiles or exaggerated measurements, in some instances they are down right deplorable. However, to be surprised that it occurs indicates to me that those responding are suggesting they are guiltless of any like behavior.

 

This is the very reason this site is here. To validate the claims of our product. It is and always has been a buyer beware market. AND PLEASE don't think I'm condoning liars, I HAVE NO TIME FOR THEM. I'm simply saying, when I'm shopping for an escort (I like to hire out myself), I never read the lines they publish........I always read between them. The tone and diction used in advertisements published by these boys can trigger a fantasy or a gag reflex, deep down inside we know the difference before we ever call, caio for now. -jason

[Bilbo]

Since there are honest escorts, like Jason, and myself when I was in the biz, and - I really believe - most of them, it is therefore impossible, let us remind ourselves, to routinely subtract an inch or two from every escort's claims. This would penalize the honest ones and therefore encourage cheating as the new standard.

[Guest youngblood]

I agree in general with your posting, Justice, that escorts, websites which advertise escorts, and agencies should regularly update all information regarding an escort's stats--not just that he "no longer shaves his body" or "now has a slight beard."

 

A very high profile escort, whom I know very well (and I think that you do too Justice) underestimates his real age by almost 10 YEARS. He is really cute, quite skilled between the sheets, very intelligent, and always well reviewed on this site. HOWEVER, HE DOES NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO LOOKING AS YOUNG AS HIS POSTED AGE! After getting to know him, he revealed his actual age to me. I asked him why he doesn't change his advertised information, and he said that he believed that he would generate less interest if he stated his actual age. I just hope that he informs new clients that he is no twink!

 

NN-with respect to your comment in your posting regarding your screen, I often see them advertised as a "17 inch monitor with a 15 3/4 inch viewing area". So maybe escorts should advertise that they are 30 but look 28, and have an 8 inch dick with only 6 usable inches?

[Justice]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-06-01 AT 09:44AM (EST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Apr-06-01 AT 09:21 AM (EST)

 

>It's difficult to keep up with

>the liars and cheaters I

>suppose so take that in

>consideration when viewing webring information

>about your favorite escort and

>perhaps discuss personals one-on-one with

>your escort. This not

>only helps build rapport and

>trust but also gets you

>the most up-to-date information str8

>from the preverbal 'horses mouth'.

 

 

I agree, it's always best to ask lots of questions. Unfortunately, you can't do that if the contact information is obsolete or if the escort admittedly routinely "bulk deletes without reading" all e-mail sent to anything other than his preferred e-mail address. (Neither escort has denied placing the ads that I referred to and one of them implied that he had forgotten about it in response to an e-mail.)

[Guest bottomboykk]

Justice: Part of the problem with the ads on the PerfectMen site is that there's no one operating the site anymore to make changes, even if the escort had tried to do so. Last summer, the operator of the site, Mark, committed suicide, and no one is manning the site anymore. Mark's lover, Ted, told subscribers to the site about the death, and said there would eventually be a new webmaster to take over the site, but nothing has been changed on the site since September. Therefore, there is probably a ton of out-of-date info on those ads, but nothing can be done about it.

[Justice]

Oh My God! I'm sorry to hear about that! (A guy I went to high school with committed suicide over twenty years ago. Even though he and I didn't know each other very well, I still remember exactly where I was and exactly what I was doing when I found out about his untimely death.) His loved ones are probably still going through the grieving process and finding a new web master is understandably not on their list of priorities. They have my sympathy.

[Guest DickHo]

>This is the very reason this

>site is here. To

>validate the claims of our

>product.

 

I wish this were the case but reviewers here like to exaggerate as much as the escorts. An escort's dick size can vary by as much as 4 inches in the reviews here. I have found myself only believing the reviews of frequent reviewers and discounting all others as more promotional material from the escort or their friends.

 

Dick size is important to me and I wish we (reviewers) would be more honest about it. And it's more than taking 2 inches off from the advertised size. Haven't you noticed how there is a proliferation of 10 and 11 inch dicks now? Since now the national average is 8", the lies had to get bigger!

[adriano46]

Guys,

 

If I can add my own 2 cents worth here...

 

As I have said on enough other threads, I prefer the mor "mature" escort as opposed to the twink.

 

From my European experiences (which preceded those in the US), I found that many escorts stop counting at 28 or 29 years of age - for the same reaasons outlined here, that they feel (or their agencies feel) their market value diminishes. The same goes for why many guys with nicely hairy chests shave them! Seems the market prefers smooth.

 

As one contributer pointed out, one can easily pick up an escort's maturity in exchanging e-mails. I also can be a good judge of age by seeing a guy, and would NOT turn an escort out the door for being older than he advertised, as long as the rest of him is fine (and I can happily say that in 90% of the cases I have reviewed, that is true).

 

On the size of his manhood, however, some really do exaggerate and I recently had an experience with one who was way smaller than advertised. This was a let-down, but it seems a few guys who advertise as "bottoms" do not feel that their dick size should matter (forgetting that for some of us, it is integral to foreplay).

 

It sure would be great if we were all honest... but living in Utopia also would be great.

[Justice]

>It sure would be great if

>we were all honest... but

>living in Utopia also would

>be great.

 

 

LOL! Well said Adriano! Well said! :7

[Guest AllAmerEscrt]

>Since there are honest escorts...

 

Well, I know this is probably going to seem a little contradictory, but I have met, hung out with and even dated a couple of my professional peers; I have learned, and not only with escorts but with people in general, "honesty", is only that which the person really thinks is true. That would also be commonly referred to as DENIAL. I have even encountered what I call "duality". That being when someone has a different personality to accomodate being honest or at least in their own mind. But all in all, I just take things in stride and don't judge anyone cause I am not, nor will I ever be, perfect.

 

Just my 2 cents worth,

Matt

[Bilbo]

Adriano - In Candide, at least the Broadway musical version - It's been years since I read the Voltaire, it is pointed out that for most of us life in Utopia would be a crashing bore.

[adriano46]

Bilbo,

 

True it would be... but the music from Candide was not boringn at all! LOL

 

I guess we all wish sometime or other to find some place on earth where everything goes "our" way... that was what I meant.

[Bilbo]

Adriano - You know how it is sometimes, us Irish will party on any occaision and argue both sides of most discussions. Heh, heh.

[Rod Hagen]

>Yes I know, the ad

>does include a link to

>your site and your preferred

>e-mail address, but who besides

>me is going to notice

>that?)

 

Hi Justice, thanks for the update. I have been after them to make the changes since you first pointed the problem out. They keep saying "When we have time". They=Perfectmen.com As a temporary solution I have blocked all email to my leandream1@aol.com address. SEE I'm more smart than I am stubborn. :-)

 

-Hagen (the man with a perfect 5" dick)

[Justice]

>As

>a temporary solution I have

>blocked all email to my

>leandream1@aol.com address. SEE I'm

>more smart than I am

>stubborn. :-)

>

 

 

LOL. I was wondering how you were going to get around the problem. (Once an engineer ALWAYS an engineer! ;-))

[adriano46]

And he knows how to get his 5 magnificent inches into the most impossible places too :-9

[Guest]

Some escorts tell the truth about their ages. In my experience, those escorts tend to be better lovers, too. Which brings up the subject about old pictures, which is almost worse than lying about one's age. How old a picture would most people say it's reasonable for an escort to claim as an accurate current portrayal of his looks? Anything over 2 to 3 years seems like false advertising to me. I also feel there should be an update if there's been any substantial changes (like addition or subtraction of facial hair, hair color changes, and so forth).