Fears of arrest

[Guest Ca Robert]

There was a thread in the Deli about sting operations. Since escorting is illegal in most jurisdictions, and highly controlled in Nevada, I was wondering if escorts on this site feared arrest.

 

How do you weed out potential vice cops? The old myth that they have to answer "yes" if asked if he is a cop is simply not true. The police are allowed to lie when investigating a crime. Have any of you been confronted by police? Do you feel safer on a website for rentboys?

 

I do remember an escort who was fairly popular in the San Francisco area. He was arrested for prostitution in another state, and actually received a fairly stiff (no pun intended) sentence. It followed him for years; he was fired as a census taker when they did a criminal background check.

 

I did see where Oakland vice cops were going thru craigslist ads and setting up stings. However, they were only interested in children being exploited, and did not pursue adults.

 

As a client, I was often concerned about being arrested until a lawyer friend told me that internet connections were not the type of prostitution the cops were interested in preventing. I've never heard of an escort or client who sued rentboy being arrested.

[Prime Muscle]

I have to admit that fear of an arrest from a sting is why I stopped ‘scorting cold-turkey. I live in the Kansas City area and they had a big bust about 2 years ago involving over 40 law enforcement agencies. Most escorts and clients that were caught up in the stings ended up facing light, if any, misdemeanors but the entire thrust behind the stings was to make it public who was escorting and embarrass/harass. There are still coordinated stings every 6 months or so involving cops across 2 states lines and usually 2 of the 4 major TV news crews are filming as well. They went after all outlets: Craigslist, newspaper ads, massage parlors, online escorting site, you name it. KC has never been a huge escorting town so I have no idea what politician got a bug up his ass.

 

Also a concern was a cop/client that turned into somewhat of a stalker cop.

[Guy Fawkes]

Excuse me, but I'm going to have to challenge your statement. In most jurisdictions Escorting is legal. As long as an Escort knows the laws, and abides by them, they seldom have problems with the law.

[Guest Merlin]

Prostitution--sex for pay--is illegal in all states. Escorting is illegal if it involves sex for pay. If the escort simply provides companionship at dinner or the theater, etc it is not illegal. Police in many cities are becoming more aggressive in using craigs list and rentboy.com to seek out prostitutes. There is no totally safe way to protect yourself. Clients can seek out escorts who have been around awhile. Reviews will help.

In the past, the sting usually entails the bait in one room in a cheap hotel and cops in an ajoining room with wires and tape recorders. So there is more danger in going to the client or escort than in asking him to come to you.

A cop will need your oral agreement to have sex for money, probably both on the phone and early in the meeting. He will want you to specify what you want to do and agree to his charge. At the meeting he will again want that agreement the first thing and will probably want payment up front.

An escort or client who does not get specific about the action or the amount on the phone is more likely to be safe, and it safer for each to avoid specificity on the phone. If a price is mentioned in the ad, rely on it and don't bring up the subject.

At the meeting, get physical immediately. A hug, a kiss, some groping. A cop is likely to want to avoid it and talk about money and sex instead.

One service I used described the money on the phone without specific talk about sex and required that once the escort showed up there was to be no further mention of money until it was over. This may be the single best strategy I have heard. If they do not have a recording of you agreeing to sex for money in the same conversation, it will be hard to prosecute and they are unlikely to make an arrest.

But in the end, there is no absolute sure fire way to avoid the problem.

[raife]

(decided not to go there... risky subject)

[Guest Merlin]

Last week, in a medium sized Iowa city, the police ran an ad for a female in craigs list. She invited clients to her room in a hotel. The police said "It was a fairly standard sting. Whoever showed up got a ticket." That makes it sound like the phone call and "showing up" was regarded as sufficient proof. The prosecutor got videos and police reports he said.

So if the escort invites you to a hotel room it is more suspicious than if he comes to you. On the other hand, clients frequently invite escorts to hotel rooms when they travel. Some escorts do travel and invite clients to their rooms.

[Guest skrubber]

In all of my contacts with escorts, whether by email or phone, I NEVER mention money. In fact I never mention sex at all. On initial contact I say "I would like to meet you" or on repeats "I would like to see you again". This is not only for my own protection but also to put the escort at ease.

 

I have only gone to an escorts hotel room once and he was well reviewed and a poster on this board.

[uwsman2]

In NYC the past few months, the police have been mounting a campaign to try to close down some more adult stores. Their strategy is to make lots of prostitution arrests, then to bring nuisance suits claiming that the stores are venues for prostitution. Their method of operation is to send a handsome young male undercover cop into the place. The undercover comes on to an unprepossessing middle-aged customer, flatter him with heavy cruising and attention, secures agreement to go out to the undercover's place, then as they are leaving the premises, the cop quickly says that he's going to pay the "date" for sex, and before the "date" can even react, other cops surround them and arrest the "date" for prostitution. This has been exposed in Gay City News and has been the subject of an angry town hall meeting at the Community Center. Many of those arrested have been tourists from out of town and/or closeted guys with no connection to the "community."

 

The long and the short of it is to be on guard, be suspicious, and at present it's probably a good idea to avoid pick-ups in adult shops in Manhattan.

[+ Gar1eth]

>In NYC the past few months, the police have been mounting a

>campaign to try to close down some more adult stores. Their

>strategy is to make lots of prostitution arrests, then to

>bring nuisance suits claiming that the stores are venues for

>prostitution. Their method of operation is to send a handsome

>young male undercover cop into the place. The undercover

>comes on to an unprepossessing middle-aged customer, flatter

>him with heavy cruising and attention, secures agreement to go

>out to the undercover's place, then as they are leaving the

>premises, the cop quickly says that he's going to pay the

>"date" for sex, and before the "date" can

>even react, other cops surround them and arrest the

>"date" for prostitution. This has been exposed in

>Gay City News and has been the subject of an angry town hall

>meeting at the Community Center. Many of those arrested have

>been tourists from out of town and/or closeted guys with no

>connection to the "community."

>

>The long and the short of it is to be on guard, be suspicious,

>and at present it's probably a good idea to avoid pick-ups in

>adult shops in Manhattan.

 

 

I am nobody's dream pick-up. Not being overly negative--just honest. If someone did try to pick me up in a bookstore-I'd be wary because he would be either crazy, blind, or in law enforcement.

Who knew that one day being chubby and not particularly attractive would be to my advantage?

 

Gman

[+ Ace]

Having "been there & done that" (as few years ago from a Craig's List sting here in Las Vegas), I can tell you that even the MOST PERFECT CALL can go bad..

My only advice (publicly, anyway)...is NO TALK OF MONEY...(If any of you guys (Escorts) have questions or want specifics, please feel free to Email me privately...).

Oh...one more thing: ALWAYS trust your instincts!!

Be safe boys....

All the best;

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[Guest Merlin]

I cannot imagin the New York arrests stand up in court if the evidence produced is as you say it is, since the "date" has said nothing about sex for money. And it is clear entrapment. But cops do lie and the evidence in court can be different. In the meantime the dates reputation suffers.

[Prime Muscle]

Sorry for the delay in responding - I didn't realize the board was back online.

 

In the Kansas City area, the main purpose of the raids is to harass and gets lots of publicity on the local news. I know it would be easy for most attorneys to get the charges dismissed or lessened but you have to spend money on the attorney. And the cops already won because even without charges they get your name and picture published on websites. I have a 9-5 type job that would dump me in a second if they discovered my name in the paper.

[mansniffing]

On the subject of "stings" see:

 

http://www.1010wins.com/Protesters--NYPD-Targets-Gays-as-Prostitutes/3851515

[+ Tygerscent]

Ya... My understanding is the same. Escorting and hiring people for their time is Legal in most jur's but prostitution on the other hand, (Blantant: "Let's fuck for cash", is not legal in many areas.

be interested to hear what others have to say about this. Please share!

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[+ Tygerscent]

Oh... and if I am not mistaken, if you ask someone if they are an officer of the Law and/or representing it, they have to acknowledge that they are or it is entrapment. Is that incorrect?

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[+ Tygerscent]

This is beside the point but... "Mansniffing"... I lie that. Mr. Mansniffer, I like your name. Brings all kinds of wild olfactory and visual images to mind and makes me... well... "curious"

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[Guest Merlin]

No, the policeman is not obligated to admit his is a cop, nor is it entrapment if he lies. The critical question in entrapment is whether the individual client or prostitute was predisposed to commit the crime, or whether he was reluctantly lured into it. If you go looking for an escort or a client, you will no be able to show entrapment.