A bad client

[Louis]

A posting in another area has prompted me to ask this question.

Would you turn town an appointment with a guy who is seems to be fussy, and who maybe gave bad reviews? I am asking this because it would appear to be a no win situation. Sure you would collect your fees, but there is also the risk of that client posting a bad review too.

Thanks.

[sean3]

YES! Do not allow yourself to be intimidated by clients who take advantage of resources like this--which are provided to supply valuable and useful information--as a way to coerce you into doing something you don't feel good about. Its not worth it.

[seaboy4hire]

>A posting in another area has prompted me to ask this

>question.

>Would you turn town an appointment with a guy who is seems to

>be fussy, and who maybe gave bad reviews? I am asking this

>because it would appear to be a no win situation. Sure you

>would collect your fees, but there is also the risk of that

>client posting a bad review too.

>Thanks.

 

I would have to say most likely no I wouldn't turn down the appointment. I say this for a couple few reasons. First, I like a challenge from time to time as some of the guys I've seen know. And second, I don't usually ask if someone has reviewed on here before and even if they tell me without me asking I don't ask what handle they reviewed under. There is one guy that I see regularly who I know his handle (wish he'd post here more often) but I didn't ask what his handle was till after the second meeting. It did prove though to be helpful because I was able to see who he has seen before me and it helped (I think at least) to give him a better time. Oh also good or bad review the working guy has the last word, which I think is a good thing because it gives two sides to the story. Of course it all boils down to how the working guy puts his thoughts into words.

 

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Greg

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[Steven_Draker]

There is no such thing as a bad client, Louis: there are "special clients" and lack of chemistry. ;-)

I don't fear a bad review, but If I get a bad vibe during our initial email exchange or phone conversation I will politely turn town (sic) the offer. In the beginning, sometimes I had that feeling on a few occasions and decided to go ahead with the meeting, but each time I realized that I shouldn't have. Either the chemistry wasn't there or the client didn't fully enjoy himself. The same goes if I sense that I can't provide the right service or know in advance that I won't enjoy myself. I wouldn't take an appointment if I can't provide the best time for my client.

 

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[SteveStacks]

Well said guys!

 

Like Steven, I will refuse a session if the client is seeking services that are not part of my repertoire, or if it otherwise seems clear that we are not a good match in terms of chemistry.

My "niche" market is heavily tied to a certain type of intellectual as well as physical connection and if that's not there for a client, they would be better off seeing someone who is either a better match for whatever particular type of connection they are seeking or who deals in just physical encounters.

 

That being said, i will respond to every legitimate email i receive (even if the client and i aren't a match.)

It's only in the very rare cases where someone has flaked on me (not showing up and not calling to explain why) or has been abusive or rude in some way, that their emails will always go straight to the junk mail folder.

 

I have VERY broad tastes in men, have never had to (or wanted to) turn a client down based on physical appearance and have never felt compelled to turn down a client out of concern for a negative review.

But i have no problem refusing a session for the reasons mentioned and i think it's probably a smart idea to assume that that's the case with every higher end escort.

[Jake Walker]

I would not turn down a potential client just because he gave someone else a bad review. I don't see the point in leading life based on fear. It's possible that this client had a genuinely bad experience with the other guy. Or, it's possible that the client may leave a glowing review if he got good, proffesional service.

 

That said, if the person leaves a series of bad reviews, and seems absurdly fussy, and only spouts negativety, then why put one's self through the grief just for a small amount of $$. Doesn't seem worth it. Life's too short.

[dfwoil]

And that is why Steven is the consumate professional!!!

[dfwoil]

And that is why Steven is the consumate professional!!!

[rickyricardo]

>There is no such thing as a bad client,

>Louis: there are "special clients" and lack of chemistry. ;-)

>I don't fear a bad review, but If I get a bad vibe during our

>initial email exchange or phone conversation I will politely

>turn town (sic) the offer. In the beginning, sometimes I had

>that feeling on a few occasions and decided to go ahead with

>the meeting, but each time I realized that I shouldn't have.

>Either the chemistry wasn't there or the client didn't fully

>enjoy himself. The same goes if I sense that I can't provide

>the right service or know in advance that I won't enjoy

>myself. I wouldn't take an appointment if I can't provide the

>best time for my client.

>

>Steven Draker ~

 

 

Steven

 

Is correct.. there no such thing as a BAD CLIENT.. its all about chemistry. We all must use our natural intuition when approached for a possible meeting between escort and client. Thats why communication is ESSENTIAL prior to booking an appointment.. I have gotten very little flack over my practices but way more praises and thank you from my clients who have had sessions with me.. They are thankful that I take the time out to ASK THEM what THEY are looking for , to meet there needs and expectations. To me that is what will make this job more fullfilling and less stressful. But like Steven said if at any point In communication that you feel a bad or negative vibe, it usually a sign to not continue in setting an appointment. This practice goes both ways , if the client feels a bad vibe for an escort prior to meeting best to just move on, there waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay enough male escorts out here to choose from .

 

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[Louis]

I am starting to think that a lot of people hire an escort based on looks alone, and figure that if a guy is good looking then he will have a personality that is compatible to theirs. While its true that everyone wants to be with a hot looking guy, I think its very easy to overlook an escort's personality. I was going to hire an escort a while back, and then said escort mentioned that he also expected a tip, over and above what his fee was. I sent him an email back mentioning that I felt a bit insulted by that, and that escorts in Toronto don't ask for tips, but I still tipped them. He then sent me an email back telling me that he is much better than the escorts in Toronto and actually did a bit of a rant, so I told him I didn't think we would be compatible, and have no intentions on seeing him. I felt bad that I cancelled out on him. It was three weeks before we were going to meet, but I just didn't want to take the chance.

Ricky, though I did not mention what I went through when I made my first post, because I asked about escorts dealing with potentially difficutl clinets, when you mentioned that "this practice goes both ways," it makes a lot of sense to me.

[Guest josephga]

I see no problem with turning down clients in my massage business i get between 300 to 350 emails and phone calls amonth. that turns into 60 to 70 clients a month. most due to expecting more than what i think a 75.00 massage should provide.

[Louis]

Joe I can really see that a person in your profession having problems whith people expecting more than you are prepared to give. A real shame actually, because they could end up missing out on a great massage.

[Guest zipperzone]

>I felt bad

>that I cancelled out on him. It was three weeks before we

>were going to meet, but I just didn't want to take the chance.

 

Why would you feel bad for cancelling? If it was 3 weeks before, then you didn't exactly leave him in the lurch without the chance of filling the time slot with someone else.

 

He did it to himself by showing his true colors. NOT YOUR FAULT.

[Guest josephga]

Its become such a problem that im going to quit after the first of the year..

[Guest zipperzone]

>Its become such a problem that im going to quit after the

>first of the year..

 

What has become a problem? Cancelled appointments?

The example that Louis posted stated that he had given 3 weeks notice which IMHO should be quite satisfactory.

 

I am surprised if you are getting a lot of cancellations. From your pics, you appear to be very good looking. I especially liked the fact that you were ex-military and state that you give extra attention to the legs and glutes! I would have thought you would have a client base made up of mostly repeat customers. If that is the case, cancellations should be minimal.

 

If I lived in Atlanta, I'd probably be a regular.

 

Am I missing something here?

[Guest josephga]

No im quiting due to disrepectfull clients. I feel like being certified, doing it nude and with a free hand release is more than fair for 75.00. but thats not enough. i get calls asking if ill suck their dick, or if they can suck mine, top? or bottom? to me those are questions you ask a escort. i could understand if i was chargeing 150+ I had a guy call last week. we talked 3 times on the phone each time i told him it was hand contact only. he waited 15 minutes b4 the appointment to call and say he wasnt coming that he found another guy that would suck him off. I have gone as far in the past as saying in writeing in ads that its hand contact only. its like as each year goes by people want more and more for less..

[Louis]

You will aways get people asking for more than a massage. I would think maybe 20 percent. In many ways you can treat it as a compliment, because they probably saw your picture on your website, and want to have a wild passionate time with you.

I know it has to be both frustrating and emberassing at times for you, but I do think that you will build up a very good client base, and will have a lot of regulars. Its just the nature of the beast. Don't give up on doing something you like and enjoy. There are many people that would rather have a good massage than see an escort, so your services are needed, plus I get the sense that you are very passionate about what you do, and anyone who is passionate about something is excellent.

[Guest josephga]

you are correct. i was hurt really bad in a car wreck. after about 2 years of pain i discovered massage. it was the only thing that brought me any type of comfort and i decided i want too offer that same comfort to those who needed. so id say im passionate about the work.. i worked the first 7 years in a sports clinic b4 going out on my own 2 years ago..

[Guest zipperzone]

I agree with Louis - don't give up something you love doing just because there are a few assholes out there. Ignore them, they aren't worth it.

[+ ArVaGuy]

>No im quiting due to disrepectfull clients. I feel like being

>certified, doing it nude and with a free hand release is more

>than fair for 75.00. but thats not enough. i get calls asking

>if ill suck their dick, or if they can suck mine, top? or

>bottom? to me those are questions you ask a escort. i could

>understand if i was chargeing 150+ I had a guy call last week.

>we talked 3 times on the phone each time i told him it was

>hand contact only. he waited 15 minutes b4 the appointment to

>call and say he wasnt coming that he found another guy that

>would suck him off. I have gone as far in the past as saying

>in writeing in ads that its hand contact only. its like as

>each year goes by people want more and more for less..

 

 

I'd hate for you to quit a career you are enjoying due to the action of some idiots out there. Here's my two cents you might want to consider. What if you quit offering the sensual side of the massage with a release and only offer regular massage services? The term sensual in some people's minds makes a quick leap to other services.

 

My regular massage therapist has the same issues as you do and he gets just as frustrated. He does not even offer a release with his services at all just plain old regular massages. He runs an ad in the Washington Blade but they at least separate those offering regular massage from those offering sensual/release massages. But those sensual massages run in the escort section.

 

What frustrates him even further is that some of the guys who claim to offer massage only will go a bit further than their ads state. They leave the term "sensual" out of the ad so it won't be listed in the escort section. No wonder some clients get confused and make the assumption that therapists offering sensual/release massages will go a bit further than stated in their ads. So it's likely that some of your colleagues in the business are creating the very situations you find frustrating.

[Guest josephga]

I agree its allot of the other guys who offer massage fault. they will go as far as having oral and anal sex with the clients for 75 dollars so when those clients go to other people they tend to think thats the norm..

[Guest josephga]

I can tell big difference in places that i advertise. the massage sites where i have reviews like find a masseur or masseur finder tend to pull in very good clients because you have a larger ad that they can read as well as go to you're web site. 90% of the problems come from mags like a local gay paper called southern voice and Atlanta David. these mags mostly go out to the bars and clubs and you only have 3 to 4 lines to get you're point across. when i first started advertising my target client was the openly gay male who wants the same type of services as females without having to go to the typical buff and fluff spa that normally caters to women.. but i have come to find out that these type of men do not use these types of publication when seeking out services. those types of mags tend to attract the married guys who could really care less if a massage is good or not and are really only interested in a release. most of you're repeat clients are not going to come from those types of men. i tell people all the time no matter how good a release is no ones coming back if their massage sucks. lol

[+ deej]

I'm curious, and this is completely OT, Joseph,

 

Have you considered dropping off business cards at physical therapy providers in the gay neighborhood? You'd never know they're there unless you're looking for them, but they're there.

 

I went through PT following a broken arm recently and got referred to a massage therapist (female, unfortunately) several times. The massage was AWESOME and worked wonders but I would have gladly paid extra for a hunky guy like you providing just a little extra service.

 

It's a bit of a dicey conversation to have with the PT provider, but it might be fruitful for you in the long run.

[Louis]

To be honest, I find guys give the best massages. I like a person who has strong hands, and there are not that many women with strong hands.

Like Deej is suggesting, maybe some networking will be in order. I really think that it would be worthwhile advertising yourself, at various gyms, and with different sports organizations or clubs. For example, I knew two girls that rowed, and they hired a masuse, who went with them to all of the rowing regattas they competed at. Body builders can also be potential clients. So maybe if you have not checked these places out its worth considering.

[KENNY45]

Louis, this is the reality: In life, there are two kinds of individuals: the ones with positive outlooks; and the ones with negative attitudes. If you take the client, you take the client as you find him: You accept him as is, the good with the bad.

 

If your instincts or gut reaction leads you to reject the client, well, that is of course a possibility. However, keep in mind this: Just because someone has posted a negative review of an escort does not automatically mean that you are vulnerable to a negative review by the same.

 

Of course, it is fine to keep in mind that the client may have particular personal preferences; and if you gather what those are from his prior reviews, that is all well and good.

 

I recommend phone contact with the prospective client, especially in cases where you don't have enough of a sense from otherwise what the individual will be like in relation to you. I don't recommend though that you get all caught up in physchoanalysis: Most of us are in business and such and we don't have the time and patience to do deal with a whole lot of tedious screening, so just ask some key questions and leave it at that.

 

Finally, what would be so horrible about getting a negative review, I mean one single negative review?

 

Is your ego so fragile or your sense of security or being able to succeed in the industry so thin that you don't feel that you could overcome the results of such a bad review?

 

My advice is this: We have freedom of speech in this country, with certain exceptions of course applicable to it: But in general it is unrealistic to think that you can control what others may think or avoid negative opinions from others, even those given on-line.

 

You also have control over how you react or respond to something negative: If you are allowed to respond on-line by the site to a negative review, you should ideally take the high road, not be overly-defensive, and indicate that you will try to apply what was related as constructive criticism.

 

Please rememember that you don't have to do business with individuals who have posted anything negative about you. Avoid the temptation to prove such individuals wrong, as taking that approach could very well backfire.

 

KENNY