Money up front

[latinolover]

It´s probably been discussed here before, but how many of you guys demand the money up front before you start the session? I´m in Madrid, and last night I negotiated a fee with a guy in a rent-boy bar, and took him back to my hotel, about two minutes walk. Once we were undressed, on the bed, he suddenly demanded I put the money on the bedside table where he could see it. I´ve only been asked for an advance payment or anything like that about three times in the past, and each time (I agreed) the session turned out to be terrible, once the guy had the cash he just seemed to think the only object was to make me cum as soon as possible and leave.

So, mindful of this, I said no, I didn´t like his tone. An argument followed, so I told him to forget about the session and leave. At this point he demanded a half fee for coming to the hotel, again I refused, and following that he tried to steal my camera in an attempt to make me hand over the cash. He only finally left when I called the Police.

As an escort, how often do you do the job and then have a client walk away without paying? Is it worth pissing all your clients off by bringing up the subject of payment just when the session is getting under way, probably you´d lose far more clients and thus money that way. Im curious for your comments please.

[DelawareGuy]

I always have the money out in plain view so the escort can see that there are funds.

[JamesK840]

Here's something I wrote in the google group about a recent experience, it reveals the problem with just "showing" the money or leaving it out...

 

So we go to the bedroom, he asks for the money. I say I don't pay

first. He asks to at least "check it". Right here, this is where the

little head took over for the big head (he had a pretty hot body,

nicely muscular, though nothing special face-wise)... 1: He didn't

list his prices online and was pretty commercial about the whole

transaction on the phone (and worse, in person). 2: He didn't look

like the pics *I had responded to*. 3: He wants the money up front.

That's 3 strikes and the point I should have walked out.

But the little head's doing my thinking, and he just wants to 'check'

the money. I hand it to him, he promptly puts it in his pocket. When

I protest he says "but it's just right here". Then he turns around

less then 30 seconds later and leaves to the room to stash it somewhere

else.

 

While that session wasn't a total rip-off, I would have been happier if I'd left and tried somebody else. I agree with the original poster that even when the guy isn't just a hustler/thief having the cash up front gives him "permission" for a rushed and crappy session. Having it out and visible is just asking for a hustler to take it and leave either outright or as soon as HE can convince himself he's earned it. (Maybe not so much a problem if you only hire the well-reviewed from HB's, but for those of us more adventuresome it really is.) Also, if a guy is good I will tip, often generously (especially if their asking rate is low), but never if I'd already paid (not that an escort session where I've already paid has ever been tip-worthy...).

 

So I will not pay up front and will leave if a guy insists. I've said that before but really mean it this time (though I've also said that before...).

 

What I think all us clients are wondering: How often do good escorts who provide quality service have trouble with clients who either will not pay or who short them?

 

To understand the context, please also answer: Do you think a client who doesn't seem to enjoy a session and ends it well-short of an hour should automatically pay the full rate?

[SamPP]

I have never asked for money up front, I think it would lessen the experience not only for the client but for me as well. I have never been stiffed either (well at least with the money ) And as stated earlier in this thread, most leave it out in plain view.

 

Sam of Atlanta

[latinolover]

Yes, that was my immediate reaction when he said he wanted the money put on the bedside table, that at worst he´d just take it and leave, or at least do so as soon as he thought he´d earned it. I´m just not convinced that there exists any serious problem of clients not paying once they´ve had an ok session. Last time I was asked by an escort to pay up front (he did at least bring this up at the closing of the negotiation stage, and not once we were ´under way´) I just told him I wouldn´t be going ahead, simple as that, so he lost the job.

Also, someone in my position, staying in a hotel in a foreign city, is hardly going to enjoy a good session and not pay, is he? For a start the (by now angry) escort would refuse to leave and, yes, possibly start searching around for items like cameras to take instead. I think too often when we get treated so casually by bad escorts we just pay up to avoid an argument, but I´ve decided not to do that any more.

[VaHawk]

My question is WHY you are even asking this question in this forum on this site???

 

It's been asked/answered many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, oh did I say yet MANY times with the same feedback from the same clients and mostly the same escorts. But then again, you were well aware of that already, or should have been, considering that you've been coming here for at least the last 4 years!

 

And, wtf is with posing this question to escorts??? You weren't with an an escort, by your very own accounting. You were with a street/bar hustler, and that is a whole different scene than the much gentler internet escorting scene!

 

IMO, you were damn lucky, that the hustler boy that you picked up, didn't slit your throat! You are dealing with street/bar hustlers, not HB reviewed escorts, and in a foreign country no less, so for your own safety, I'd suggest that you should either learn to play the street/bar scene or stick to the "safety of the 'net"!

 

This site is great and provides a great service. Unfortunately, as you prove, it can also lead the naive and inexperienced, into falsely believing that the boys that cruise the streets/bars abide by the same credo as reviewed internet escorts. CLUE: street/bar boys don't give a shit about HB's site, that is assuming that they have a computer and/or have heard of this site, and don't give a shit about repeat business from you or anyone else, as they are only interested in the trick of the moment! Trying to hold them to the standards of the HB "rules of etiquette" could be very hazardous to your health! :-(

 

In response to the OP, not DelwareGuy

[Guest Jesse Dane]

I have never asked for the money up front and never would. In almost any line of work, you do the job and then you get paid. It's pretty simple. I have never had a client try and not pay either.

[JT Brooklyn]

Those of us who watch "Footballer's Wive's" on BBC, watching the Young and Inexperienced Footballer.. Paying His "First Rentboy" FIRST, all know how this story line will end up in the Next Episode...BADLY....

 

To add to the BIG MISTAKE..The guy leaves his Wallet on the Coffee Table! Inexperience and it's Mistakes!! IT really does Suck! LOL

 

The Saddest are those who make the same one's... over and over. :P

[rickyricardo]

>It´s probably been discussed here before, but how many of you

>guys demand the money up front before you start the session?

>I´m in Madrid, and last night I negotiated a fee with a guy in

>a rent-boy bar, and took him back to my hotel, about two

>minutes walk. Once we were undressed, on the bed, he suddenly

>demanded I put the money on the bedside table where he could

>see it. I´ve only been asked for an advance payment or

>anything like that about three times in the past, and each

>time (I agreed) the session turned out to be terrible, once

>the guy had the cash he just seemed to think the only object

>was to make me cum as soon as possible and leave.

>So, mindful of this, I said no, I didn´t like his tone. An

>argument followed, so I told him to forget about the session

>and leave. At this point he demanded a half fee for coming to

>the hotel, again I refused, and following that he tried to

>steal my camera in an attempt to make me hand over the cash.

>He only finally left when I called the Police.

>As an escort, how often do you do the job and then have a

>client walk away without paying? Is it worth pissing all your

>clients off by bringing up the subject of payment just when

>the session is getting under way, probably you´d lose far more

>clients and thus money that way. Im curious for your comments

>please.

 

 

DelawareGuy guy has a good point.. 1st in your situation the escort did not ask for the money up front. What he asked was you to lay the money on the counter, which is a nueutal place, just to make sure your holding up to your part of the deal. It is nothing wrong with asking to lay the money out, he did not take it from you in his hand.

 

Some clients seem to stigmatize guys that ask for you to do that as if its an automatic bad sign, that is a MYTH. What is a bad sign is when a client DO NOT want to comply with the escorts request, it means your diffulcult, you should proberly leave. Taking the money upfront is when the escort ask for the money takes it in his hand put it away. Laying the money out is not taking the money upfront, it simply just what it is, laying the money in a nuetral place. Where the professional escort can see it, no harm , no foul.

 

I only ask client to do this if I working "RED ZONE HOURS" after 11pm with someone I never seen before. Or if the client is really young, sketchy or feel vibe that the money might be an issue. I once had someone show up w/o any money, he told when he got in my room, he told me immediatly was sorry didnt want to waste my time, he just didn't believe I was real person.After he saw me,he rushed to the ATM an came back, he had never done something like this with an escort before. We had a good time together.

 

Its so funny I did ask a guy to lay the money out first, he was reluctant because he said he had been burned in the past- guy didnt perform up to par. I said so if I had been burned in the past does that not matter? He said I understand, he laid it on the counter. I told him I not taking the money , i ask you just to lay it out. We had a awesome session, an he said "wow i didnt expect that, it was great". I said "dont' always assume if a person ask for you to lay the money out that means its going to be a bad session, that is a myth" It all depends on who your dealing with , that escorts reputation etc..

 

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[Boston Guy]

I also almost always have the money laying out in plain sight. Almost always but not always. It depends on what kind of vibes I've gotten from the person before we got together.

 

On the very few cases when I didn't have the money out already and the escort wanted it put in plain site, they uniformly then picked it up and put in their pocket within minutes (seconds!) of my placing it out.

 

I'll emphasize again that something like 98% of my escort encounters have been good and fun. But some escorts are unscrupulous and you can almost sense when that's going to be the case.

 

At this point, if an escort were to tell me he wanted me to put the money in plain sight -- and, especially, if we have just started fooling around -- I'd take it as a very, very bad sign. It's different when someone you have reason to trust indicates ahead of time that's their preference or policy. But to suddenly ask to see the money after the clothes have come off is the sign of a hustler.

 

I've met hustlers who I actually ended up having fun with. But it's good to at least recognize the situation you're in.

 

And I'll agree with those guys who have said, more than one time, that respect given is usually returned in kind. Just not always.

 

BG

[Epigonos]

Again let me say I am EXTREMELY selective in the escorts I hire. I research them carefully on this site and know, as well as I can, exactly what to expect. If I'm visiting a strange city on vacation or business I take along a list of potential escorts to hire. I always place the escort's fee ($100 bills) in an envelope with his name on the outside. Immediately after our initial greeting I present him with the envelope. Many have said "Oh that is necessary right now" my reply is always "Oh yes it is -- this way neither of us will forget". I even say that I wouldn't mind, in the slightest, if he counted the money as he doesn't know me -- none have ever done so. I have never been ripped off and an immediate bond of trust is established. This system works for me and if some day I get ripped off so be it.

[Boston Guy]

I will commend you, again, on having a system that works well for you. That's the secret of happiness.

 

But I hope that you also recognize that many people do not hire escorts with anywhere near the kind of advance preparation that works for you. For some of us, spontaneity is more fun (and something that seldom disappoints me). When approaching an escort encounter at the very last minute, a different approach is called for and, in that situation, it's wise to keep one's eyes wide open.

 

BG

[Epigonos]

Boston Guy I couldn't agree more. We all approach this game from different vantage points and what work well for one of us doesn't necessarily work well of another. One of the things I enjoy most about posting here is learning about our various differences and approaches to hiring.

 

P.S. You would be absolutely correct if after reading my posts you determined that I don't have a spontaneous bone in my body.

[Rod Hagen]

>P.S. You would be absolutely correct if after reading my posts

>you determined that I don't have a spontaneous bone in my

>body.

 

I could arrange an implant!

[rickyricardo]

>Again let me say I am EXTREMELY selective in the escorts I

>hire. I research them carefully on this site and know, as

>well as I can, exactly what to expect. If I'm visiting a

>strange city on vacation or business I take along a list of

>potential escorts to hire. I always place the escort's fee

>($100 bills) in an envelope with his name on the outside.

>Immediately after our initial greeting I present him with the

>envelope. Many have said "Oh that is necessary right now" my

>reply is always "Oh yes it is -- this way neither of us will

>forget". I even say that I wouldn't mind, in the slightest,

>if he counted the money as he doesn't know me -- none have

>ever done so. I have never been ripped off and an immediate

>bond of trust is established. This system works for me and if

>some day I get ripped off so be it.

 

 

Espingos, you sound like really cool guy. you do your research before you hire. I really doube you will ever get ripped off. Its all about dealing with professionals, and not HUSTLERS. But to each it own in what your looking for but don't complain when you get Hustled. I put this clause in all my emails "there are a lot of guys in this business that should not be, research make your choice wisely". There are a lot of guys who are newbies that don't know how to research an escort, so its important to go of communication, how the escort handles himself in setting the meeting, but even then sometimes you can still be with a hustler. But the reputable escorts , their reputations proceed themselves.

 

RM

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[latinolover]

Boston guy, you've hit the nail right on the head, the guy asked for the money to be produced when we had 'just started fooling around'. If he had wanted to see the money or be paid up front, he should have mentioned that when we negotiated the price and other stuff. Bringing it up when he did a) distracted me from just when I was getting going with the sex and b) confirmed to me that the guy had certain priorities, and giving me a good time wasn't one of them.