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[Guest ncm2169]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

Hey Thunder! NO hate here! Just scorn for what the obvious sleazy bastard has become. x( I welcome your new thread...can't wait, in fact! }>

[BuckyXTC]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>To "Keep" someone is to rob him of his, and I hate to use

>this cliche' term, "formative" years. The same goes for

>hiring escorts within this age bracket-something that men

>like Marc Anthony haven't thought of I'm sure. There's the

>normal stuff that young men, college bound or not, NEED to

>be doing developmentally (selling their lower colon is not

>one of them, consult the literature).

>

>Young flesh is corruptable flesh, and men that age still

>have a lot of growing up to do without live-in-ass-giving,

>or sex-for-hire, mucking things up.

 

Hi Rod:

 

Does your quote above indicate a "sea change" in your previous position on this matter? I'm assuming it does, since not so long ago you were telling us that you give a discount to college age clients. Are you telling us that it's ok for an older escort to offer his services to college age clients ( I began my college years when I was 17) but not ok when the client is older and the escort is college age? I see some serious problems with your logic here.

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

You haven't been paying attention at all. The above is my position, Buckwheat, and I've stated it often. It's wrong to hire young escorts.

 

I give discounts to those 25 and under. The discount entices them into trying something significant that they otherwise wouldn't. I fuck them. They pay. And then they get on with the rest of their lives, something they wouldn't have been able to do without my help (certainly I'm not charitable, however.) It takes an hour or so and then it's OVER and they're better off for it. It's not ongoing, and therefore doesn't have the potential to grind down their potential in the way that hiring the same young boy over and over and over, does it?

[BuckyXTC]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>You haven't been paying attention at all. The above is my

>position, Buckwheat, and I've stated it often. It's wrong

>to hire young escorts.

 

Well, folks, this is the classic Rod Hagen we all know and love....

when you don't agree with him, you haven't been paying attention. And then for good measure, let's take a swipe at the disagreeing party's screen name, as if that somehow invalidates his position. Grow up!

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

Or to put it in another I hope clearer way: when a youth hires me one or two times-for better or worse-it's always temporary and final. (Wham, bam, thank you mamm). Then he's ready to date, fuck around, make gay friends, tell his family, and stop obsessing.

 

On the other hand when you hire a young man it perpetuates a dangerous and potentially emotionally harmful vocation he can't possibly be prepared to handleat that age (no matter how "together" you convince yourself he is.) He's just too young for that lifestyle. Telling yourself anything else (like he's old enough to vote, or he's legal to fuck) is just a rationalization. Why do you think it is that 18, 19, and 20 year olds are not allowed to drink anymore? Whether you agree with the reasons or not, you know it's because they aren't considered, generally, to be psychologically or emotionally ready for it. Same goes.

[BuckyXTC]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

Why do you think it is that 18, 19,

>and 20 year olds are not allowed to drink anymore? Whether

>you agree with the reasons or not, you know it's because

>they aren't considered, generally, to be psychologically or

>emotionally ready for it. Same goes.

 

Not psychologically or emotionally ready for drinking or fucking, but our government thinks they're mature enough to fight a war and die? This would be funny if it weren't so sad.

[mmk]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

originally posted by Rod Hagan:

 

"I give discounts to those 25 and under. The discount entices them into trying something significant that they otherwise wouldn't. I fuck them. They pay. And then they get on with the rest of their lives, something they wouldn't have been able to do without my help (certainly I'm not charitable, however.) It takes an hour or so and then it's OVER and they're better off for it."

 

 

Tell us Rod, do you seek a tax deduction for your "charitable" work? I wonder how man yong confused gay men you have "saved" with your generosity and willingness by giving them a "discount".

 

Please, if you were a genuine charitable person when it came "helping" out these people, you would not take their money at all. It is probably a good thing that Mother Theresa is dead because all of her good deeds seem like nothing when it comes to how you have been helping out the young gay community. Perhaps we could contact the UN to see if you could become an ambassador so you could generously give your discount to many confused gay men all over the world.

 

Hey, I got it. Maybe K-Mart would lend you a blue light so it could flash when your discount is being offered. I can see it now "Attention K-Mart shoppers, Rod Hagen discount to confused young gay men, aisle #2, chipped ham, $1.19 lb, aisle #3".

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>And then for good measure, let's take a swipe at

>the disagreeing party's screen name, as if that somehow

>invalidates his position. Grow up!

 

Swipe? What swipe? Am I missing something here? (again)

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>Hey Thunder! NO hate here! Just scorn for what the obvious

>sleazy bastard has become. x( I welcome your new

>thread...can't wait, in fact! }>

 

I can't wait either - although me thinks I will be the only one supporting him. I'll get to it right after breakfast. It's now 3:45 A.M. on the left coast and I'm only on this damn thing because I couldn't sleep any more - I went to bed too damn early last nite - like 9:30?

 

Thunderbuns

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

MMK, please pay attention, I said I am NOT CHARITABLE. I am NOT doing this out of the goodness of my heart. I am in the business of making money. The good thing is that escorts make money and make people happy at the same time.

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>Not psychologically or emotionally ready for drinking or

>fucking, but our government thinks they're mature enough to

>fight a war and die? This would be funny if it weren't so

>sad.

 

Ths would be an interesting thread if someone wanted to start a new one, whether or not people think 18, 19 and 20 years old is old enough to drink, I just used it as an example here.

 

Buck, I didn't say that people that age aren't ready for sex, nor has the government: pay attention (I wish it had been for me, but I was so chicken I waited until I was 25 years old!). In fact sex at that age is obviously a big part of development.

 

I'm saying they're better off developing naturally without something as heavy as being a sex worker mucking things up. You either think that paying an 18 year old to sit on your penis is ok, or it isn't. I don't think they're ready handle the "Life".

 

It's not as if 26 is so disgustingly old that people like Ad Rian Marc Anthony would be puking during the act, right? Also, there are plenty of personal ad venues where they could look for free young sex, right? I don't see why clients have to willfully ruin young men's lives. At least they could have the courage to say that they do so out of a desire to get their rocks off, and under a mistaken idea that they're doing these guys some good, I have.

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>when you don't agree with him, you haven't been paying

>attention. And then for good measure, let's take a swipe at

 

Why is it ok for you to attack my logic skills, but not ok for me to point out that you haven't been paying attention? That's not fair.

[ad rian]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>MMK, please pay attention, I said I am NOT CHARITABLE. I am

>NOT doing this out of the goodness of my heart. I am in

>the business of making money. The good thing is that

>escorts make money and make people happy at the same time.

 

Yes, but that is precisely what makes your position so incredible. One might argue that younger escorts make more money and more people happier! Obviously, as an older escort, your ability to increase your economic rents is helped considerably by your self-serving dumps on your younger competitors. I admit I asmire your skillful marketing here, but your concern for the well-being of youth seems more pathetic than altruistic to me. Too bad their aren't more younger escorts here to report their views on the harms of ecprting to older escorts!

[ad rian]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>It's not as if 26 is so disgustingly old that people like Ad

>Rian Marc Anthony would be puking during the act, right?

>Also, there are plenty of personal ad venues where they

>could look for free young sex, right? I don't see why

>clients have to willfully ruin young men's lives. At least

>they could have the courage to say that they do so out of a

>desire to get their rocks off, and under a mistaken idea

>that they're doing these guys some good, I have.

 

Personally, I like the innocence of youth. For the most part, I find most escorts over 25 to be jaded, wrinkled and/or hairy. All of those are turn offs to me. Maybbe they are jaded because they started early. In that case if they waited until 25, they might just be more jaded, wrinkled and hairy by 30. I still don't think you have explained why you think that escorting ruins these young guys lives. Perhaps, it has ruined yours, but I am always uncombfortable with areguments from the specific to the general. It seems to me that the correct answer here is highly dependant on facts. Where is the escort working? What kind of customers does he meet? Is he a hustler or an escort? How long has he been sexually active? How long has he been financially independent? Look, a lot of people look back at their youth with regret, not just escorts. That is a trick the aging mind plays on everyone. If I had only done that instead ....! If I had only gone there instead ....! If I had only saved that ....! If I had only hooked up with that person ....! Real maturity Mr. Hagen comes from learning to learn from your past decisions, not lamenting them in rose-colored rear view mirrors.

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>Yes, but that is precisely what makes your position so

>incredible. One might argue that younger escorts make more

>money and more people happier!

 

Right, and then I would argue back: nevertheless, they're too young to be doing so.

 

>Obviously, as an older

>escort, your ability to increase your economic rents is

>helped considerably by your self-serving dumps on your

>younger competitors.

 

Do you really believe that I'm actually pushing more Message Center clients toward me (and away from cuddly bottom boys 8 years my juinor) by being beligerent, stubborn, and obnoxious? Further, surely you don't believe that I dredge this shit up on a first meeting with a non-message-center reader just to secure that they'll never hire someone else-or at least not someone a few years younger than me? No, of course not. I think these things I say do more harm to my business than good (I only had two clients this week, for example. And one was a regular.)

 

>aren't more younger escorts here to report their views on

>the harms of ecprting to older escorts!

 

I do agree with what you said earlier about older escorts demonstrating a sort of...shit what did you say, a stunted development. And yet I don't think the younger guys are ready for it. So what the hell? :-) How about this: don't do it until you've lived some, and get out before you've lost out, because it's also not something you want to do for 15 years no matter what age you started at. I agree with John Preston on this.

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>Personally, I like the innocence of youth. For the most

>part, I find most escorts over 25 to be jaded, wrinkled

>and/or hairy.

 

"Wrinkled"? How many years did that guy shave? :-)

 

>All of those are turn offs to me.

 

Tough shit, deal with it.

 

>Maybbe

>they are jaded because they started early. In that case if

>they waited until 25, they might just be more jaded,

>wrinkled and hairy by 30. I still don't think you have

>explained why you think that escorting ruins these young

>guys lives.

 

It's not because I think escorting is So Horrible, or anything like that. Three years later I still love escorting (though I'm often a bit bored during the day, hence my torturing all of you with my posts).

 

Obviously the decision to become an escort doesn't only represent a wise business decision ("Hey, I've got a young sphincter, I've used it skillfully since junior high, maybe I should get paid for it") but it's also a decision to accept responsibility for it for the rest of your life. Herpes, for example, is something you can get, and live with for life, if you kiss and/or suck, no matter how careful you are. And you're at greater risk for it if you're doing it with a lot of "whomevers" just because a lot of "whomevers" are paying you. You have less sex as a nonsexworker than you do as a sex worker, no matter how much of a horny bastard you are. Plus as a sex worker you don't choose your partners, they choos you, and so you have little control over that (other than the control you have to say "no thanks", something that's REALLY hard to say when you're being paid, and frankly I've NEVER done it). But of course sex for free carries lots of risks too, just not as many because the number of partners is significantly limited.

 

There is a stigma against paying for sex, and being paid for sex, that is even stronger than the general stigma against M4M sex. It's a big thing to carry around for the rest of your life, and maybe 19 years old isn't the most savvy age to make the decision to do so?

 

20 year old boys should be dating, getting ripped, working HARD. Escorting is an easy job with lots of downtime that pays very well. It does not promote any REAL entrepeneurship. If you have a good body, an addicition to sex, and a day planner, you can do quite well. This is NOT the reall world, it's about as far from the real world as one can get. Having had experience in "The Real World" I know this. A green man with no real world experience is in for quite the shock when he's become accustom to The Life. Such a shock, that I don't see him being able to deal with it because he has no frame of reference to put things into perspective, does he?

 

>Perhaps, it has ruined yours, but I am always

 

No, it hasn't. It's still fun.

 

>uncombfortable with areguments from the specific to the

>general. It seems to me that the correct answer here is

>highly dependant on facts. Where is the escort working?

>What kind of customers does he meet? Is he a hustler or an

>escort?

 

Clearly he's in a better position if he's doing this out of his college pad than on the street. I certainly concede that.

 

>How long has he been sexually active? How long has

>he been financially independent?

 

If he's 18 years old he couldn't have been financially independent for very long, could he?

 

> Real maturity Mr. Hagen comes

>from learning to learn from your past decisions, not

>lamenting them in rose-colored rear view mirrors.

 

It's not likely that he's had the opportunity to make many of these significant decisions by the age of 19.

 

I don't think a young man is in a position to think through what the "Rest of My life" really means, do you?

 

None of this really matters. You like to pay to push your penis into the anal cavities of men who 10 years earlier were Second Graders wetting themselves. I'm not going to change your mind, you're being selfish and I do applaud selfish motivations; as I've said before, perhaps I read too much Ayn Rand in High School.

 

And Godiva, sorry WE (not just me) hijacked your thread.

[ad rian]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>How about this: don't

>do it until you've lived some, and get out before you've

>lost out, because it's also not something you want to do for

>15 years no matter what age you started at. I agree with

>John Preston on this.

 

I can agree to that. All that I would add is that chronological age is not a good predictor of the life that someone has led. Some will be ready ti start at 18. Some not. Some should be out by 25. Some not. For what it is worth, my current regylar is a 27 year old guy who advertises as 25. There is one more dimension to this that might merit its own thread. I rarely fal for an 18 year old, but the more the age of the escort and clients converge, the easier it is to confuse the nature of the relationship.

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>I can agree to that. All that I would add is that

>chronological age is not a good predictor of the life that

>someone has led.

 

It's the best predictor we have. Until the age of 18 a person is not allowed to make significant decisions about his own life, is he? So how much experience could he have?

[Godiva]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

Don't worry Rod..This is interesting too...I think my post was answered a while ago:) My posts tend to always morph into other topics. Continue the dialog..it's interesting..

 

BTW who decides when in a "Sugar Daddy Deal" that someone is being taken advantage of..

 

ie..in your example "and BTW Thank you for sharing some of your experiences here" You said that you had decided up front what you wanted out of the relationship you were in..When you accomplished those goals it was over(I think) and you both got what you wanted. But what if you went into that situation..and tha Daddy tires of you and sends you packin before your goals are reached does that mean he took advantage of you or do you say he beat me at my own game..

 

PS..I had heard that one of my favorites Jeremy Penn was kept..please clarify..

 

PSS..Who is this Dunn character?? Should I know him:)

[ad rian]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>It's the best predictor we have. Until the age of 18 a

>person is not allowed to make significant decisions about

>his own life, is he? So how much experience could he have?

 

I accept a default of 18, but I still don't think you have made a case for anything beyond that. While I am at it, I guess I just don't see why you think selling sex to an older man is more corrosive to a young bottom than giving it a way for free on an AOL message board to a an older man. Like others, I just want to better understand your logic.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

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>PS..I had heard that one of my favorites Jeremy Penn was

>kept..please clarify..

 

Yes - kept in high style by David Geffin, no less!

 

>PSS..Who is this Dunn character?? Should I know him:)

 

If you don't know who he is you must have been living in Outer Mongolia, or have no TV, never read books or magazines. And if you don't know who he is, you probably wouldn'd be interested in him.

 

Thunderbuns

[taylorky]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

yes indeed.but may i add that he is not only offensive,but i find him incredibly boring.but he does serve his intended purpose;to allow lonley,unfullfilled people to feel they have some inside knowledge of what they can never be,or have.the most interesting life (to me) is the one i live everyday,though to many it would not seem very exciting;it's mine and it's real.......by the way to rod hagen you seem like a man of character,and although i disagree with your assesment of the ability of late teens to make personnel life choices;i do agree that being provided for, in exchange for sex is not a healthy choice for a young person...but i'm just an unsophisticated know nothing southern boy.so what do i know<<<<<<<yep that's sarcasm

[Godiva]

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Thunderbuns...

 

 

I really don't know who he is....but briefly educate me..

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

>Thunderbuns...

>

>

>I really don't know who he is....but briefly educate me..

 

Please see the new thread I started in the Lounge.

 

Thunderbuns

[Godiva]

RE: Do Me Daddy

 

Thanxs Thunderbuns for the info on Dunne..

 

Now on to more dirt...Do you or anyone else know of any former or current porn stars who are being "kept". Are there any being passed around in the "Velvet Mafia" or in elite gay circles..?

 

Do Tell....